Poor sports? UCLA, USC flaunt etiquette

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LOS ANGELES (AP)—So what’s a bigger breach of football etiquette: Calling a timeout when your opponent is running out the clock with a 14-point lead, or responding to that timeout by throwing a long touchdown pass?

In the Coliseum and on the Internet, the debate rolled across Los Angeles on Sunday morning after the action-packed final minute of USC’s 28-7 victory over UCLA.

Bragging rights, bowl prospects, two bad offensive performances and the USC defense’s rebirth were pretty much all forgotten while everybody parsed the sportsmanship of coaches Pete Carroll and Rick Neuheisel in the waning moments of the Trojans’ third straight win in the crosstown showdown.

“They can’t disrespect us like that,” said USC quarterback Matt Barkley, who threw the 48-yard TD pass with 44 seconds left.

“I don’t forget much,” Neuheisel said.

The shenanigans even stoked a potential brawl, with both teams edging toward midfield to exchange taunts before calming down. Carroll and Neuheisel both publicly claimed they had no problem with each other’s actions—even if almost everybody else picked sides after the coaches exchanged a brief, loveless handshake.

“It is just the heart of a competitor, just battling,” Carroll said. “We just wanted to win the game and have fun. When the moment was there, it wasn’t thinking about what (others) might be thinking. You are either competing, or you’re not.”

Both teams’ competitive fires were fully stoked by the sequence that began when USC stopped the Bruins near midfield on downs with 54 seconds left, preserving a 21-7 lead after Allen Bradford’s second TD run a few moments earlier. Barkley then kneeled on the ball—but Neuheisel called the first of his three timeouts, drawing lusty boos from the USC crowd.

“I was trying to make them punt, and maybe if they run, we cause a fumble,” Neuheisel said. “They have their take on it, but I was trying to get the ball back. People can make their own conclusions. … I don’t blame them for doing it.”

USC play-caller Jeremy Bates suggested a long pass, and Carroll eagerly agreed. Damian Williams got loose down the middle, and Barkley hit him for a score.

“There’s still a lot of time on the game clock,” Bates said of his reasoning. “They were going to try to stop our running play, so we called a play-action pass.”

Carroll should be particularly sensitive to charges of piling it on after his experience just two weeks earlier, when Stanford curiously went for a 2-point conversion with a 27-point lead in the fourth quarter of a 55-21 thrashing of the Trojans. Carroll claimed he didn’t fault Cardinal coach Jim Harbaugh for clearly rubbing it in, even if his fans took great offense.

“Jeremy had the thought,” Carroll said. “I said, ‘That’s a heck of a call, man.”’

And to think, a timeout in last year’s USC-UCLA game was a shining symbol of good sportsmanship. When both teams decided to revive the long-dormant tradition of wearing home jerseys in the rivalry game, officials were forced to take away a timeout from USC, thanks to a since-changed NCAA rule—and UCLA immediately called its own timeout, drawing cheers from the Rose Bowl crowd.

Almost everybody agreed the taunting and posturing that followed Williams’ TD catch and the extra point was in poor taste. The Trojans appeared to start it, although both teams insisted there was no chance of a real fight going down.

“I don’t think it was close,” Neuheisel said. “Looking on TV, it could look close, but the bottom line is it doesn’t belong in the game.”

With defensive tackle Jurrell Casey doing the most hollering, USC bounced, jumped and shouted in unison on its sideline, moving several yards onto the field with numerous inciting gestures straight at the UCLA sideline. The Bruins then moved well across the middle of the field, where officials and coaches got between the teams.

“There was a lot of energy going on there,” Carroll said. “I wish it didn’t go like that, though.”

Everybody eventually retreated to their sidelines, but the moment was unsettling at best and profoundly unsportsmanlike at worst.

“I don’t take offense,” UCLA linebacker Reggie Carter insisted. “If we were winning, I would have done the exact same thing. I still shook hands with everybody on that team.”

While UCLA wrapped up the regular season at 6-6, the Bruins still have bowl aspirations hinging on an at-large invitation from the Humanitarian or New Mexico bowls, who both sent scouts to the game. Even a lower-tier bowl would be a boost to Neuheisel’s rebuilding effort, the coach acknowledges.

And with its string of seven straight Pac-10 championships at an end, USC (8-3, 5-3) still must play Arizona at the Coliseum on Saturday. While still technically a BCS bowl candidate, the Trojans are likely to end up in the Holiday or Sun bowls if they beat the Wildcats.

Updated Nov 29, 1:44 pm EST
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Head to Head - Week 13

Team Total Yds Pass Yds Rush Yds First Downs 3rdD% Pen./Yds Turnovers Time of Poss.
UCLA 322 188 134 18 31.3% 5/60 4 30:55
USC 336 206 130 18 33.3% 12/107 1 29:05

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    pooch Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:08 pm PST Report Abuse
    albert s 512, i totally agree with you. There are so many people who couldnt get into UCLA ended up at USC because it is much easier to get into USC. All the rejects from UCLA who wants to stay in state would go there. Otherwise, they'd go out of state. Why do you think USC is the University of Second Choice???
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    Young Stud via Twitter at ... Tue Dec 08, 2009 02:26 pm PST Report Abuse
    He did what he had to to finish the game! There's no guarantees, even with a 2 score lead under a minute. PLAY ON UCLA
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    EG Tue Dec 08, 2009 08:45 am PST Report Abuse
    This is way too funny. Anyone who is anyone received their invitation to a bowl on Sunday everyone except for ucla. The bruins are like that kid on the playground that never get's picked for a team or gets picked dead last. Is that what ucla has become, scrapping the bottom of the barrel. ucla is irrelevant in college football on the National stage & in Los Angeles. All this coming from the same ucla team that took out an ad in the newspaper claiming that the Monopoly of College Football in Los Angeles was over. ucla is just fart at best in college football. ucla you guys are just plain PATHETIC & a bigger joke than that of obama winning the nobel peace prize. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOSERS !!!!
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    albert Tue Dec 08, 2009 02:13 am PST Report Abuse
    SC fans, please read this and simply admit that UCLA is the better SCHOOL. USC is far from being a "top notch" university;
    1. My roommate and I were both not accepted to UCLA grad school due to our poor academic performances, yet we were both easily accepted to USC-I smartly rejetced SC. USC is so easy to get into, so much easier than UCLA
    2. I had several foreign student friends who could hardly speak any English; some could not even place an order at restaurants or understand movies-yet they all graduated easily from USC school of Business. USC, easy to get into and easier to graduate from, as long as you have $$$$. They all did and they all graduated.
    3. Most common feedback I hear from local SC grads? In debt forever due to the overpriced fees.

    Sports? UCLA has so many more NCAA championships than USC-enough said. (Tired of USC always so@#$%y and showboating? (ie. the ASU game). Just be humble.)

    I am not "mad" just stating the facts. Please don't be upset, deep down, when you really think about it, you know I am right.
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    TomX Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:33 am PST Report Abuse
    "UCLA has better fans, better class, a better football stadium, is located in a better area, and is a flat out better university. USC has a better football team."

    Wrong. Both schools are seen as top notch universities and the fact that USC's class sizes tend to be much smaller is an added advantage.

    you're just mad because you lose every year.
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    Jay S Sat Dec 05, 2009 04:45 pm PST Report Abuse
    UCLA has better fans, better class, a better football stadium, is located in a better area, and is a flat out better university. USC has a better football team.

    I'll take 5 over 1 any day.
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    StevenW Sat Dec 05, 2009 04:05 pm PST Report Abuse
    “They can’t disrespect us like that,” Barkley said.
    But evidently, it's OK for USC to disrespect UCLA after they score the touchdown-classy team
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    5thplaceismine Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:39 pm PST Report Abuse
    franklin.deshawn: you still didn't say how many ncaa championships your school has won. that's not a surprise since it's not even close to ucla's 104, stanford's 97, or usc's 89 NCAA-recognized championships. for sc, that doesn't include football championships. (the ncaa doesn't officially recognize a fb champion; i'm just letting you know since you're hopelessly clueless.)
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    Earl Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:45 am PST Report Abuse
    U C L A fold fold fold
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    Mary Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:01 am PST Report Abuse
    I really don't see what the big deal is. UCLA called a time out when they could of just let USC knee and run the clock down. There was no way they were going to score two more touch downs. They were being asses. And didn't like getting punch back in the mouth. And i think everyone here is forgetting the most important THIS IS A HEATED RIVALRY. You want to literally destroy the opposition. Not just beat them. It happens in all sports. Hell in basketball a few weeks ago the denver nuggets whipped the lakers asses by 30 pts. And they never let up. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO". And the last time i remember no one from the "Most High and Mighty" SEC will play USC. No one really has the balls except for 2002 2003 Auburn team, Which USC did beat if i can recall.Everyone's saying it was Classless. Well I moved from California three years ago to Alabama and honestly i haven't met one person of class here yet. Just a bunch of crazy rednecks that can't wait until saturdays so they can plan their lives around a damn football game...
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    David Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:04 pm PST Report Abuse
    I don't blame Pete Carroll for having his QB throw a TD pass with only 44 seconds left in the game. After stopping UCLA on downs, and taking over the football, Pete Carroll had his QB kneel down when he took the first-down snap. But, Rick Neuheisel (for some godly unknown reason) then had his defense call a timeout. That is O.K. if your team is trailing by 8 points, or less. But when your team is trailing by 14 points, with less than a minute to go in the game, it makes no sense whatsoever to call a timeout. Even if the USC quarterback kneeled down on second and third down, there would have only been about 30 seconds remaining in the game, after they punted the ball back to UCLA. Why is the media saying that this move by Pete Carroll is going to tarnish the USC win? I blame Rick Neuheisel for what transpired in the last minute of the game, not Pete Carroll. I am not a USC fan, and I don't hold any past grudges against UCLA! But now, I do hold a grudge against UCLA after what coach Rick Neuheisel did. Would you want to prolong the game, and the agony of defeat for your team, when you know for a fact that the game is lost? I sure as heck wouldn't.
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    Beavis Mon Nov 30, 2009 08:52 pm PST Report Abuse
    Actually, USC has beaten a Florida team. They beat the Miami Hurricanes 28-3 on October 5th, 1968.
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    AKA Mon Nov 30, 2009 05:24 pm PST Report Abuse
    boldheartsix. just like a Florida fan to call out a program like USC who has historically been one of the best programs in college football period....USC has more national championships and a better winnning percentage overall when it comes to football. Please explain to me who Florida has truly beat this year thats worth anything??? Florida's only played two teams that have won 8 games or more this season........2, thats it......and one of those teams is Troy so it shouldn't even count. Florida has played only 4 away games all year and were brave enough to schedule mighty teams like Charleston Southern and FUI who plays in the Sun belt conference with a 3-8 record....Really with Florida's schedule and mediocre play I really don't see what all the braggings about.....It was a rebuilding year for USC and their still probably gonna end up with 10 wins and they've already played against 5 teams with 8 wins or more.....Florida has 25 players who are finished at years end including your god Tebow and other players like Spikes and I have a feeling reality will smack all Florida fans in the face when their team struggles......The best part is your gonna hear it from every fan in college football!!!
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    marxman Mon Nov 30, 2009 03:42 pm PST Report Abuse
    how the "big 6" conferences stack up according to most recent BCS poll (just the facts folks):

    1. PAC 10 - California, Oregon, Oregon State, Southern Cal, Stanford (50% of conference ranked)..

    2. BIG EAST - Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, West Virginia (37.5%)..

    3. MTN WEST* - Brigham Young, Texas Christian, Utah (33%)..

    4. BIG 10 - Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State (27%)..

    T5. ACC - Georgia Tech, Miami (Fl), Virginia Tech (25%)..

    T5. SEC - Alabama, Florida, Louisiana State (25%)..

    T5. BIG 12 - Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Texas (25%)..

    *non-big 6 conference

    will the Nat'l Championship be played between teams from THIS years weakest conferences?..

    why is that?..

    why are voters rewarding teams who 1.) belong to a weak conference THIS year, and 2.) have not played anyone worth a damn OUTSIDE of their conference?

    playoffs anyone?

    USC TROJANS!! FIGHT ON FOR VICTORY!!
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    GERELL M Mon Nov 30, 2009 02:19 pm PST Report Abuse
    To christophern #492
    I repeat what I said in post #468:
    "To those of you who believe that any more than 5% of these comments are based on facts, you're wrong. Anyone can say anything (that's America and I love it) but it doesn't make it true."
    If you want to believe that the PAC 10 is the best conference, that's fine. You gave your opinion without calling me names. Thank you. I disagree with you but that's fine, right? My post #449 states why I believe the PAC-10 is most certainly not the best conference by any stretch of anyone's imagination.
    As for playoffs, I would love to see that. Therefore, I'm assigning you the responsibility to make that happen. Go get 'em.
    As for the "overrated" teams in the BCS or the SEC or whatever, doesn't the fact that ALL poles, BCS and non-BCS polls, indicate approximately the same rating for the teams? The answer is "yes they do". Does it matter if a team is ranked 1 or 2 (or even 4 or 5) positions differently across the polls? No. That would be expected. Different people see things differently as your views vs. my views indicate. But the rankings still indicate that a team is considered "somewhere in the ballpark" of a certain position based upon the opinions of many. It's interesting how close they always are to what the BCS rankings indicate. When there are well over a hundred teams to rank it's interesting that the same 25 teams +/- end up in all of the polls and very close to the same ranking in each. WOW. What a revolution.....

    This is getting long but I would like to restate what I said in post #449 because it provides my justification for my statements that the SEC is well above the other conferences and most certainly NOT overrated. Here's what I said in that post:

    "For the "top high school recruit" recruiting years of 2005 thru present, out of all the division 1-A schools, the top 5 are (in this order), Florida & USC tied for 1st, LSU next, then Florida St. and Alabama 5th. The Southeastern Conference is the recruiting king with 9 of the 12 teams ranked in the top 25 schools with a total of 521 commitments. By comparison, the ACC was a distant second (317), followed by the Big 12 (294), Big 10 (267), and the Pac-10 (265).
    Conclusions: USC has such good recruiting that my 7 year old great granddaughter [just a figure of speech] could coach them to a winning season when 9 of the 12 teams they play are in the PAC 10. The other teams in the PAC 10 don't have the talent that USC has. As the data show, The PAC 10 is well below the SEC, ACC, Big 12, and even below the (Oh God forgive me for mentioning this, the BIG 10). With USC being tied for #1 in recruiting, they dominate all the recruiting in the PAC 10. This leaves the rest of the PAC 10 teams with leftovers...."

    I cannot agree that the PAC-10 is the best conference.
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    IsabelV Mon Nov 30, 2009 02:13 pm PST Report Abuse
    To Pooch, don't be sore because I can buy and sell you. Spanked by Texas you say? Is that how bruins define three point losses?

    To Casie, You consider playing your star player while winning by over 30 points so he could get hurt classy?

    That being said, I give each team their due. Florida is an amazing team this year, as is Alabama. It's a different type a game than what is played in the west, but it would be interesting if we played more games against the SEC.

    To the person who said Florida has beaten SC a number a times, this is untrue. Florida played USC twice in the 80's, once beat them by 8 points the second time it was a tie.

    I think that the SEC does get a lot of credit, and the Pac-10 does not, mostly because sports writers are based in the east coast and west coast games air late and not everyone catches them.

    But this whole debate on what conference is the best, won't be resolved until there's an actual playoff system in college ball. Once I hated the thought of it, being such a huge fan of bowl games, but now it's a must.

    In the meantime, I cheer on the Pac-10, even with UCLA in it.
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    teachher Mon Nov 30, 2009 01:22 pm PST Report Abuse
    So glad usc (actually should be suc because they do), went for the TD in the last 44 secs. of the game. Only shows how truly un-classy the coach is. usc/suc could have handed the ball off to the upback and run more time off the clock. But, like a great (LOL!) coach Carroll is, he has to rub his dismal season into UCLA's face and make himself feel better (did I say great coach?LOL). It does make me feel better about Stanford going for the 2 with a 27 point lead. Hmm, is it me or does all the other Pac-10 schools dislike usc/suc? Go Stanford and Oregon (for pouring it on suc/usc) in the bowl games for they truly represent CLASS in the Pac-10. Who will care where usc/suc ends up? Oh, may Arizona win by 27 points and be going for 2 with 44 seconds left! What goes around will come around AGAIN!
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    Eric J Mon Nov 30, 2009 01:14 pm PST Report Abuse
    Here are the teams each conference has played out of conference that are currently ranked in the top 25 by the AP.

    SEC-
    22. Okla St, Lost
    12. GaTech, Win
    25. Clemson, Win
    12. GA Tech, Lost
    11. Va Tech, Win
    24. W. Virginia, Win
    12. Ga Tech, Lost
    18. Houston, Lost (4-4)

    Pac 10-
    6. Boise St, Lost
    5. Cincinatti, Lost
    8. Ohio St, Win
    9. Iowa, Lost
    15. LSU, Lost (1-4)

    USC with the lone win out of conf against current top 25 team.
    Both conferences do well in bowls, but you cant forget when the bowls are scheduled it is usually the SEC#5-6 vs. ACC#3-4, B10#3-4, or B12 #3-4.
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    William Lee Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:51 pm PST Report Abuse
    Check the history of USC football as a source and you will see that USC has played but NEVER won against any team from the state of Florida in the history of their program; and that includes Florida, Florida State and Miami...they lost every time.

    I had the misfortune to live in California for two years, sent to numerous games at USC, UCLA and San Diego State and the proven fact is that the Gators B team could easily beat any of them...and have.

    You girls on the left coast don't know jack sh%t about football.

    Lets review girls...Florida is #1 and Bama is #2 both SEC schools, so where is USC rated ?
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    christophern Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:13 pm PST Report Abuse
    gerell,

    get a clue: the pac-10 is the best conference in the country this year. period. the sec is overrated and afraid to play anybody of note. i am not a pac-10 fan, by the way.

    all the bcs conferences are overrated and afraid to play non-conference teams who are a threat. fact: nobody will play boise state, even a home game.

    you got one part right, no matter what a lot of idiots believe, it doesn't change the truth, and the truth of ncaaf is that we need a playoff instead of the is entitlement-driven and unfair bcs garbage. there is more parity in ncaaf than ever before, and it's seen week-in and week-out by the results in games.

    instead of rewarding texas, florida, bama and others for navigating their cakewalks, we should have a 32-team playoff like ncaab's march madness. it would be the same number of bowls as currently, but they would be meaningful and interesting, and then we would have fewer idiots arguing about strength of schedule and how strong their conference is w/ its automatic bcs berth vs other conferences without such berths which will win a lot more than popular opinion would give them credit for.

    that is a fact and it would be a win for the sport, the players, and the fans all around.
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    Allen Skipper Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:10 pm PST Report Abuse
    Jabber, the SEC's "mickey mouse" opponents are just as "Mickey mouse" as most every team in your Pac-NONE conference. The SEC will again win the NC this year...Guess it is better to be Mickey Mouse than Donald DUCK..or Donald TROJAN or Donald-BRUIN or....
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    Jabber Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:56 am PST Report Abuse
    I'm glad this happened. Before that, it was the most boring college football game of the year. I felt like I was watching an SEC game... ugghhh. I agree that Harbaugh and Carroll both have no class. These jerks belong in a jerk-off conference like the SEC where they can expect to win games against Mickey Mouse opponents and continue to be overrated
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    Ricky Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:07 am PST Report Abuse
    clown teams, clown conferences, SEC RULES, COLLEGE FOOTBALL NATIONAL TITLES
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    Casie C Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:55 am PST Report Abuse
    pete carroll is a classless man and usc is a classless institution! and harbaugh is classless for going for 2 as well richard s! MAYBE the WHOLE pac-none is classless, it sure seems so, with harbaugh going for 2 vs usc, usc throwing a bomb at the end of the game to run up the score, blount at oregon punching players........seems to be a pattern!

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