Nevada (8-3) at (4) Boise State (11-0)

BSU GOT "SLAUGHTERED" by Georgia, A) becasue georgia didn't have the balls to fly to boise & ge tthere ass beat. B) instread, BSU guys had to go way accross the country to play some team we've never played before. BSU could have easily taken Georgia, but the QB for BSU (Zabranski) threw 5 picks in the first half. U can't win a game when ur QB does that. I don't care who you are. Jerad Z threw that Georgia game away himself- I could GARUENTEE that BSU could beat Georgia again, now, that we have a better QB and a better over all team. (Plus when BSU went to Georgia, they were a hell of a lot better team that season than they were this ;09 season.

yeah (Boise lil' man-tate) should leave the wack if they want to go to the ncg, just like when miami caines left the big east. See how they are always in contention now that they dont have to play syracuse and rutgers every week?

WAWebfootInMichigan, I accept your apology.

I knew that Boise State played in only one BCS bowl. I could not remember what year Georgia demolished Boise State. It seemed too trivial to research before I mentioned it. I do not type claims about rankings and strength of schedule before I examine them, so I can be accurate. Other persons dishonestly claim that weak teams have stronger schedules than they have. I compete in Debate. I try to win debates with substantiated arguments.

@Jennifer Tyler-

Your original post stated, "Gregg Bell, the "reporter" who composed this gushing ode to lowly Boise State intoned "The lovable little team that shocked Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl can only hope it’s enough for the BCS to ask it back." He concealed the fact that Boise State was slaughtered the next season by 40 points by Georgia."

The context of your post was with respect to BCS bowls, therefore I took it in that context. Nonetheless, given your counterpoint I am duty-bound to withdraw my critique and subsequent flame. I am man enough to stand corrected with the facts and publicly acknowledge such. I was misled by the context.

http://www.tellshowbcs.com/SOSP.html

Boise is 92nd on schedule strength playing teams with a combined record of 57 wins and 74 losses. Boise is a top 25 team but needs to up their schedule to legitimately be in the BCS. IMHO. The best suggestion would be for Boise State to get out of their conference and trade up to a stronger conference.

HEY BILL!!!

You said,
Using cute acronyms for BSU to show your hated for the team makes you sound like a 3rd grader.

Then you said...
Yeah, I'm a Californian. I'm a Boise fan. I hate U.S.C. (University of Spoiled Children) That's from personal experience.

most people from Idaho are hypocrites, that's from personal experience.

WAWebfootInMichigan bellowed "I am referring to your post #204 where you make reference to the "fact" that "Boise State was slaughtered the next season by 40 points by Georgia". Except that it was HAWAII that was slaughter by 31 (not 40), and NOT Boise State...But if you are going to post here bring something to the table, and for gawd sake at least get your details straight. Nothing quite as embarrassing as somebody posting patently erroneous info to try to make a point."

Read it and weep, dunce:

"No. 13 Georgia 48, No. 18 Boise State 13
By PAUL NEWBERRY, AP Sports Writer
Sep 4, 1:36 am EDT

ATHENS, Ga. (AP)—D.J. Shockley was worth the wait, teaming with a revamped Georgia defense to give Boise State a jarring lesson in big-time football."

Here is the link, so you can not lie that it is not true: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=200509030068

Georgia slaughtered Boise State, as I declared, despite your numerous denials. It was by 35 points, instead of 40. It otherwise was correct. I was able to remember Georgia's demolishing Boise State without resorting to conducting research. My ability to specify 40 points is not an embarrassment as is your completely forgetting that Georgia destroyed Boise State.

I will conclude by quoting a blustering nitwit "But if you are going to post here bring something to the table, and for gawd sake at least get your details straight. Nothing quite as embarrassing as somebody posting patently erroneous info to try to make a point". I won again.

Teasing? No Jennifer, I do not tease. I am referring to your post #204 where you make reference to the "fact" that "Boise State was slaughtered the next season by 40 points by Georgia". Except that it was HAWAII that was slaughter by 31 (not 40), and NOT Boise State.

I don't give a rat's butt about Boise State. It still rankles me that they beat my Ducks in week #1, but it was Chip Kelly's first game, so I give them a pass. It was ugly, LGB lost his cool, and everything pointed to a bad year. But Oregon has made the most of it and Kelly should be a shoo-in for COY for his first year production, especially when compared to other first year coaches. But if you are going to post here bring something to the table, and for gawd sake at least get your details straight. Nothing quite as embarrasing as somebody posting patently erroneous info to try to make a point.

WAWebfootInMichigan snarled "Way to bring something to the table, Jennifer. Know the difference between Boise and Hawaii and then pop off, you moron." I know you are teasing me. Boise and Hawaii are identical twins. Both won all their games against laughably easy opponents. Ridicule me when Boise State wins it games while playing a schedule which is more difficult than 91st out of 119 teams.

Way to bring something to the table, Jennifer. Know the difference between Boise and Hawaii and then pop off, you moron.

Go ahead and give Boise St. a bowl game... Can't wait to watch them get their a**es kicked!!! hahaah

CollegeFootballFan, I appreciate your valid comments which are founded on evidence, which should shame fans of Boise State from continuing to gush that their team is legitimate.

Boise is 3-4 in the last seven bowl games . 2-4 in bowl games played outside of Bronco Stadium . 0-2 since beating Oklahoma .Your record isn't all that stellar against the BCS when the truth is known . Yes records speak for themselves . You went 12-0 ,2008 regular season and lost to TCU in a non BCS bowl . 12-0 in 2007 You lost to ECU in another non BCS bowl game.
1-3 in your last 4 bowl games , but the only game you talk about is the Oklahoma win and regular season Oregon wins .,0-2 against the SEC Arkansas and Georgia both scored over 40 points in beating you . 6-8 since 2002 vs BCS schools .. But yea I forgot nobody wants to play you .

Yea I see them shaking and really fearful of Boise .These stats came from ESPN look it up for yourself .

After reading most of these comments, all I can say is this.

1) Bring up valid points. For or against Boise is fine. Using cute acronyms for BSU to show your hated for the team makes you sound like a 3rd grader.

2) For the people that support Boise, understand there is a political side to the BCS. It's something that can't be changed no matter how much you guys complain about it. Coach Peterson has it right. Just go out, win games, and let the system figure it out.

3) For people that hate/dislike Boise, you guys want better proof, understandable. Serious wins against serious teams would be proof. One win against a ranked team all season doesn't cut it. Cool. But understand it is frustrating when so many teams turn down the opportunity to play Boise at their home with no need to play on the blue field the year after. That just makes these big teams look bad.

4) At the end of the day, which is what I don't get, Coach Peterson doesn't make the schedule , the athletic director of the school does. Stop with the Coach this and the Coach that.

And two more things. A couple of quotes for those that just talk crap about BSU without any real argument.

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."

"There's no such thing as bad press."

All your smack talking just gives more attention to BSU. Bring it.

Yeah, I'm a Californian. I'm a Boise fan. I hate U.S.C. (University of Spoiled Children) That's from personal experience.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Kevin said: "Remember how Oklahoma plays for the national title despite losing the Big 12 championship. Then got throttled by USC"
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Actually, Kevin, the year Oklahoma lost to Kansas State for the Big 12 Championship, they went on to play Louisiana State - not a bad game - the score was 21-14. That was the 2003 season. In 2004, Oklahoma was unbeaten and beat Colorado in the Big 12 Championship Game. That was the year they lost to USC 55-19.

Now that scenario you are talking about also happened with Nebraska. In 2001, Colorado beat Nebraska 62-36 and captured the Big 12 North. Colorado then beat Texas 39-37 for the Big 12 Championship. But, Colorado had an 11-2 record overall (one non-conference loss). Nebraska, 12-1, but not the conference champion, was selected to play Miami for the BCS Championship. Colorado played Oregon in the "second" bowl. Oregon, with one loss, should have played Miami in retrospect that season.

The BCS has created strange scenarios. In 2000, Oklahoma was unbeaten and won the national championship. But the bat.tle for their designated opponent was in question. Three one-loss teams. Florida State was 11-1.....but lost to Miami who was also 11-1. Miami claimed they should have gotten the nod. However, Miami's lone loss was to the Washington Huskies, who were also 11-1. Washington should have played Oklahoma. But, Bobby Bowden had more "pull" and FSU got the nod. Oklahoma's defense stymied FSU in a 13-2 win. I actually think the Huskies would have matched up better with OU that season.

Stadium size has to do with revenue generation . Example USC and Ohio State each have comparable size stadiums . When USC at Ohio State the stadium was filled ATTENDANCE: 106,033 . Ohio State AT Penn State ATTENDANCE: 110,033 .

Here are some away games for Oregon , Boise State and Florida to compare :

Boise vs Oregon ATTENDANCE: 34,127 cap:30,000
UCLA vs Oregon ATTENDANCE: 77,819 cap: +92,000
STAN vs Oregon ATTENDANCE: 43,924 Cap:+85,000
Wash vs Oregon ATTENDANCE: 67,809 Cap:+75,000
ARIZ vs Oregon ATTENDANCE: 57,863 cap: 57,803
Purdue/Oregon ATTENDANCE: 57,772 cap:54,000 Home game

Utah St vs Boise ATTENDANCE: 18,777 cap:+31,000
LA Tech vs Boise ATTENDANCE: 23,240 cap:+30,000
HAW vs Boise ATTENDANCE: 37,928 cap:50,000
Tulsa vs Boise ATTENDANCE: 30,000 cap:+35,000
Bwlng Grn vs Boise ATTENDANCE: 22,396 cap:+28,000
Fresno vs Boise ATTENDANCE: 35,637 cap:+41,000

Ken vs Florida ATTENDANCE: 71,011 cap;+67,500
LSU vs Florida ATTENDANCE: 93,129 cap;92,400
Miss ST vs Florida ATTENDANCE: 57,178 cap:+55,000
S.Carl vs Florida ATTENDANCE: 79,297 cap:80,250

Gotta few below gate numbers there . Where Florida has exceeded capacities in the away games with the only exception the South Carolina game .

Just for grins here's San Jose States number for away games

USC vs SJSU ATTENDANCE: 84,325 cap 92,500
Stan vs SJSU ATTENDANCE: 33,560 cap +85,000
Fresno vs SJSU ATTENDANCE: 35,495 cap +41,000
Boise vs SJSU ATTENDANCE: 31,684
Utah St vs SJSU ATTENDANCE: 13,276 cap +31,000

The attendance number for the conference in general are low .

Love the blue turf!!!!!

Boise wont get in the national championship. get over it bsu fans. and i loved how they challenged anyone because it's clearly never going to happen cuz it would mess up the whole bcs system, so yea bsu and your fans can act tough because they know it's not going to happen. maybe next year but i highly doubt it

I keep reading about the size of Bronco Stadium -- which has *what* to do with BSU's offer to play anyone, anywhere without requiring the team play them at home next year? Oops... forgot about that in your spin, didn't you?

It's amazing how easily all these teams *could* beat BSU... on paper -- so, if it's so easy why won't they schedule them? I'm sure some of these 1-AA teams that so many "top-level" teams schedule could take a year or two off from being their cupcake. Maybe Florida could play BSU instead of 1-AA Charleston Southern in 2011? Maybe Alabama could play BSU instead of 1-AA Chattanooga in 2012? Texas didn't play any 1-AA teams, but they had UCF, Louisiana-Monroe and Baylor on their schedule. Why not replace Louisiana-Monroe with Boise State? Maybe Georgia Tech could give up their 1-AA game against Jacksonville State. Maybe Penn State could play BSU instead of 1-AA Eastern Illonois? Or maybe Iowa can give up their 1-AA cupcake, Northern Iowa?

Which would give these teams more national coverage -- a "tune-up" game against a 1-AA cupcake, or a real game against BSU? And yet they won't schedule Boise State. Gee, I wonder why?

Here's the reality of the BCS system. Clemson, with four losses will get one of the ten BCS slots if they beat Georgia Tech in the ACC Championship game (which is a possibility, they only lost by three points the first time they played this year). Clemson was ranked 18th in the BCS *before* losing to unranked South Carolina on Saturday. The two non-conference teams they beat were Coastal Carolina (Division 1-AA team) and Middle Tennessee State (2nd in the Sun Belt). They also lost a non-conference games to TCU (12-0) and South Carolina (7-5). They lost conference games to Maryland (2-10) and Georgia Tech (10-2).

In other words, Clemson (who may not even be ranked next week and is -- at best -- a mediocre team) will make it to the BCS if they beat Georgia Tech in ACC Championship game. So what does that say to the zero, or one-loss top ten team in the BCS rankings that they will displace? "You were the better team, but we've got to take care of our own."

One way or the other we need to get rid of the BCS. It means nothing when combined with a Bowl Game system, where a non-ranked, four loss team can make it to one of the top five bowl games. Either just go back to the old Bowl System (and don't pretend to have a national championship game) or go to a playoff and actually have a real national champion.

I disagree about that . They were not invited cause they didn't have the facilities to compete period . What school in the WAC has a stadium that seats over 70,000 ? None . MWC has a couple with BYU and San Diego State . I know about the Utah Senator trying to call foul and it's wrong for him to intervene . So since I'm a bigger school I should let you in cause you from a weaker conference , you make far less revenue but all should be able o makes the same dollars . Good luck with that one . Look here's Bronco Stadium last night ATTENDANCE: 32,642 vs 87,451 for Alabama /Auburn and 84,671 for Texas/Texas A&M . What was a sell out for BSU would have been a very bad night in those other stadiums . But all should be considered equal cause of federal funding for football ? Well I went to a university in California who would still have a football program if it were federally funded .

But what makes it good is that we can have this debate . That's why i love college football , we can have two national champs , we can have teams play in bowl throughout the holidays .

Going to bed . Yall have fun now .. Maybe one day a playoff will be set up . Until then it's debatable . But I gonna put my money on the Big dogs . But as you know it isn't the size of the dog who wins ..

...B.S.U. Bull Sh!t University..Playing on Bullsh!t Blue Carpet.....B.C.S....Bullsh!t Crybaby Sh!theads..

WAWebfootInMichigan good post 262 . The BCS wasn't created for the smaller conferences . Yes a caste system . We gotta remember the BCS conferences have schools with long football histories . The schools presidents will not want a playoff as it does take more to fund we you consider that there is more than just the football players who travel for college sports . So to keep cost down do we penalize the bands too .
I like college football for the what ifs , the rivalry games , the bowl games . I picked Texas vs Texas A&M over the NFL Giants vs Bronco game why ?There was more on the line for the college teams . A&M could've made their season by knocking Texas outta the NC game . Good drama .

A play off in my opinion would ruin the season , break up years of holiday tradition for what more money for who ? I agree that the other conferences should get there own big game bowl going on . Problem is who's really gonna pick a Boise / ECU over say Texas/ Florida game . The ratings would sore for the Texas/Florida game . Not so much for BSU . Maybe one day .
In the biggest game no matter what the sport you want the biggest stage with the biggest names . You won't see the NFL in Detroit again hosting a Superbowl .
If the Fiesta , Sugar , or Orange chose a Boise or TCU or both it's up to them . Not the NCAA . It's not the NCAA Football Championship tournament . It a Championship series for the Majors who already had alliances with those bowls . There's a price for entry , BSU , TCU keep winning as did Miami , FSU , Cinci , Louisville , they'll get their chance to enter a bigger conference . But the everybody sacred stuff just has to stop , it just isn't so ..

Tj-

You are wrong...the BCS IS their party to crash. The BCS replaced the Bowl Alliance in 1998 for two primary reasons: 1) The PAC-10, Big Ten and Rose Bowl were excluded; and 2) Failure to include the Mid Majors was inviting Congressional action into the system.

Like it or not a significant number of FBS schools receive a significant amount of federal funding and the only thing that is keeping government out of the BCS' business is the allusion of equity. Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah has already declared war on the BCS and is pushing congress to clean house on the system...no doubt driven by Utah's snub last year.

Personally, I am opposed to government intrusion, but as you said, realitiies are what they are.

I don't argue that the bottom line is dollars, but you made a point that draws directly into what I am driving at. I am very well aware of the classification system in the high schools, having worked over ten years in a state high school association. The system was simple...you meet a set criteria and you are guaranteed an opportunity to compete for the championship at your classification. The equalizer is the enrollment population of the school...and yes, sometimes there are some disparities, especially in the whole "public vs. private" realm. But the bottom line is that if you do what it is you are supposed to then you are afforded entry into the tournament. That is not to say that there aren't some ugly blowouts in the early rounds with mismatched teams, but the system works. Every school in the state has a shot at their classification, and everybody knows what must be done to have a shot at the ring.

The BCS system is supposedly founded under some similar principle. There is a "Division One" with a tournament (FCS) along with two other Divisions that operate in exactly the same format as every other sport in every other format. The FBS division has a "caste" system that was created that is absurdly unlike any other in sport...one that (while I haven't the data to support this) anecdotal evidence seems to support that needs to be completely redone. It's archaic and pointless and would have been scrapped years ago were it not for the ridiculous amounts of money propping it up.

So let's get back to your argument...what then becomes of the Sun Belt, Metro, MAC, WAC, Mountain West, etc? If there really is only an illusion of opportunity afforded them why should they even partake in this joke of a system? If they are truly the "Division 1B" then let it be so and give them their own venue to take up a culminating process of their own.

I find it incomprehensible that the presidents of these institutions haven't revolted against this revolting scenario. A team that finishes its season undefeated shouldn't have to stand begging like proverbial Oliver Twists. The system is broken. The Emperor has no clothes. Yet Nero continues to fiddle while Rome burns. And as long as the money rolls in the flames grow into the night.

Just as the hubris of the housing market led to the recent economic collapse, so too will the house of cards fall soon on college football. I only hope that day comes sooner than later.