Weis has seen the best and worst of Big House

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SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP)—Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis has seen the best and worst of Michigan’s Big House.

After his team beat the then-No. 3 Wolverines, quieting the crowd of 111,386 in Notre Dame’s first win in Ann Arbor in 12 years, Weis was asked about being the first Irish coach since Knute Rockne to open with two road wins.

Two years later, en route to a humiliating 38-0 loss to the Wolverines, the scoreboard flashed that Washington was leading Ohio State 7-3. Michigan students chanted: “Tyrone’s better! Tyrone’s better!”—a reference to Weis’ predecessor, Tyrone Willingham.

Rockne or Willingham? Weis doesn’t want the 18th-ranked Irish (1-0) thinking about either game or the rivalry when the two schools with the best winning percentages in NCAA history meet on Saturday. He wants the Irish to forget about everything, including last week’s 35-0 win over Nevada.

“We’re only talking about this year. We’re not worrying about anything from any other time except this week,” he said Tuesday. “We’re not going to spend any time talking about last week, let alone the last time we were there. We’re just moving forward.”

He expects Michigan (1-0) to take the same approach a year after the Wolverines turned the ball over six times in losing 35-17 to the Irish. He noted that Michigan is coming off a decisive 31-7 victory over Western Michigan after a week in which coach Rich Rodriguez was answering questions about a lawsuit over a real estate venture and accusations that his players were practicing beyond NCAA limits.

“I don’t think they’re worrying too much about what happened last year,” he said

Some fans would argue that this isn’t a rivalry game. The teams never played while Rockne and Ara Parseghian coached the Irish. They met three times during Fielding Yost’s 25 years as Michigan coach and twice while Frank Leahy coached the Irish and Fritz Crisler coached the Wolverines.

The two teams never met while Weis was a student at Notre Dame, resuming the series in 1979, the year after he graduated. But Weis, who always talks about how he treats every game the same—doing so again Tuesday—knows how important the game is.

Several Irish players said last year they had never seen Weis fired up so much before a game as he was before Michigan.

“He was pumped,” receiver Golden Tate said at the time. “He got us pumped.”

Weis also revealed how important he thinks the game is back in April 2008, though not to the media. Talking about the upcoming season, he told a group of Notre Dame supporters: “Then we’ll listen to Michigan have all their excuses as they come running in and saying how they have a new coaching staff and there’s changes. To hell with Michigan.”

Weis later explained the last comment was made out of respect for Bo Schembechler. The former Michigan coach, who died in 2006, was known on more than one occasion to say, “To hell with Notre Dame”—most notably when the Irish turned down a chance to join the Big Ten.

While Weis wouldn’t admit Tuesday that the game is any more important to him or his coaches, he conceded Notre Dame players might treat the Michigan game different.

“I think because both teams were somewhat question marks going into the opening week and both had sound, convincing wins, it’s increased the interest of everyone else as it relates to the game. The trickle-down effect is that it permeates to the players,” Weis said.

Weis also has a little extra personal pride at stake in this one. The former offensive coordinator with the New England Patriots is friends with Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, a Michigan graduate. In 2005, Brady lost a friendly wager when the Irish won and had to wear a Notre Dame hat to a news conference.

Weis was asked if there was any wager this year.

“We have traded texts. That’s all I’ll say,” Weis said, smiling.

For a team coming off a 3-9 season and another team just a year removed from a 3-9 season, a lot more is at stake Saturday than a friendly wager.

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Updated Sep 8, 6:18 pm EDT
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  1. robert t
    39. Posted by robert t Wed Sep 9 11:19am EDT

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    Notre dame
  2. robert t
    38. Posted by robert t Wed Sep 9 11:18am EDT

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    Notre dame
  3. ColinD
    37. Posted by ColinD Tue Sep 8 6:12pm EDT

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    Holey moley, people! Everyone needs to get a life (myself included, since I am responding to all your posts).

    Please, people, let us not forget the fact that one game does not a season make and you are all not Kreskin, nor Notradamus; nobody knows what is going to happen until it happens.

    Being a life-long Irish fan (and Irish, to boot) all I can offer is the voice of reason: facts speak for themselves, and you can not possibly believe that a win over Nevada means anything but a win over Nevada. Every opponent is different and has to be treated as such. I only hope that Notre Dame goes into each game focused on the team at hand. If they do that, they have the talent to win. But, so does almost every team p,laying on each Saturday. Now, haters are predicting a stomping by Michigan. This could happen, but has not, yet. At least Irish fans are giving respect and seeing the game as being closer. Then, next week you'll all be prognosticating about Michigan State. If we beat Michigan you haters will say we were lucky. If we lose, you will use your staggering intellects and tell Irish Fans, 'I told you so'. Let us take this one game at a time and we will see where the season takes us.

    To all you Irish-haters, I revel in the fact that Notre Dame is rich in tradition and glory. All your griping actually reeks of envy. The only football program with a richer history would have to be Michigan, since they have more wins and National Titles, historically, so I show them respect. You haters will then say, 'you haven't won a National Championship in 22 years'...so what? Before USC got Pete Carroll they had gone 25 years between National Championships (1978 under John Robinson). They are arguably this decade's measuring stick in the NCAA; but that's it. In another 10 years it will be some other institution. I revel in the fact that Georgia was so hyped as contenders to an SEC title over Florida and they laid an egg in Oklahoma State (the REAL power in Oklahoma, I might add). So does that mean that the Big 12 is better than the SEC, since the head to head records are what everyone seems to want to talk about (when they are not predicting)?

    And lastly, as far as Urban Meyer coaching Notre Dame? Sorry, but 24 student athlete arrests in 4 years at Florida does not enamor me to him. I would rather see our athletes take advantage of their schoolastic opportunity, play well, graduate and become great people in a law-abiding society (with very VERY few exceptions). If we don't win a National Championship because our boys aren't getting arrested, so be it. At least Charlie is a great mentor and representative of the importance of Notre Dame's impact on a person's life.

    Thanks, and let the hating reign down on me; I will really enjoy reading your comments.

    Go Irish!
  4. <i>wordsmith_tom</i>
    36. Posted by wordsmith_tom Sat Sep 5 11:46pm EDT

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    This team's loaded with talent, and maybe desire.
  5. Southern X Poser
    35. Posted by Southern X Poser Wed Sep 2 3:36pm EDT

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    Brilliant commentary. Digs at Weis' weight bolster any argument. What is a conferance?

    Talking about schedules and patsies – Michigan plays Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan and Delaware State. Penn State, plays two ranked teams (OSU and Iowa) if being a ranked Big 10 team counts for anything and takes on Akron, Syracuse, Temple and Eastern Illinois. Wow.

    Save your breath -- I know the argument: your team is exhausted just thinking about having to play in its (not it’s) killer conference which is so tough top to bottom (except for the teams ND is playing) and these schedules are made years in advance (except in ND’s case as they somehow cherry pick the down teams year in and year out).

    I have no beef with USC’s schedule and have enjoyed their a** kicking of Auburn, Arkansas, OSU and Penn State in recent years I appreciate UGA, UA, VT, LSU, FSU and even Miami for going out of conference and giving us some interesting games this first weekend. Go Charleston Southern.
  6. john
    34. Posted by john Wed Sep 2 2:34pm EDT

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    Nice scheduling by Notre Dame. Make sure you play teams that rank low in thier conferances so you can get another WGAF Bowl and save Charlie "Cheeseburger" Weis's job for another year. Notre Dame will get exposed by USC on how weak they really are. 10-2 or 9-3 with that weak schedule.
  7. Bryce Harte
    33. Posted by Bryce Harte Wed Sep 2 2:29pm EDT

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    #19 here again. The Irish have the capability of running the table and winning the title. But being a realist, I only expect them to go 9-3 on the regular season. They will NOT go to a BCS game, but they will pound on another opponent in a next tier bowl. I see stumblingblocks in USC, Michigan State, and possibly Pittsburgh or Stanford. Oh, and why don't you Irish-haters quit whining about the schedule. Notre Dame does not schedule MAC, Sunbelt, or 1-AA teams. Nevada is the first WAC opponent as that conference is now, but they're only on the schedule because Boise State beat Oklahoma in a BCS game. That was for you OU fans. For you Blue-and-Maize blowhards in Ann Arbor, I have two words for you: Appalachian State. For you Ohio State fans, when was the last time the Buckeyes beat a Top 10 team in the regular season who wasn't in the Big Ten? I could go on and on, but why bother? Oh, yes, and one more thing. You can pick out the Notre Dame fans here just by checking the spelling, punctuation, and grammar of each comment. The ND people show their education and intelligence because they know how to spell, punctuate, and use proper English. Irish-haters? Not so much, eh? Shake down the thunder, boys!
  8. lilbucknut
    32. Posted by lilbucknut Wed Sep 2 1:53pm EDT

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    ND will not go 11-1. It only takes a team like Nevada or Mich St. to blow them out for them to never schedule them again. I remember coach Holtz saying and I quote "we will not schedule Ohio St. again as long as I am here". That was after back to back azz whippings in the 90's.
  9. david
    31. Posted by david Wed Sep 2 1:23pm EDT

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    actually prez the irish in the title game is the funniest thing i've heard since they said alabama was going last year. now THAT'S funny!!
  10. John K
    30. Posted by John K Wed Sep 2 11:30am EDT

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    I am going to enjoy this season as the Irish go 11-1 & win their BCS bowl game only to be re-loaded for their 2010 run and land another top 5 recruiting class.

    The best part after the wins will be to come to these blogs and mock all the chowderheads who are wrong. But I'm sure they will be too gutless to admit it.

    But seeing all the haters sputter and obfuscate about the reality of Notre Dame's return to the top will provide me and the millions of other Irish fans with endless enjoyment and laughter.
  11. PREZ
    29. Posted by PREZ Wed Sep 2 10:33am EDT

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    19. Posted by PREZ Wed Sep 2 10:28am EDT Report Abuse
    ND in the CHAMPIONSHIP game.....baaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha thats the funniest thing ive heard since the news obama won the presidency!
  12. adrian r
    28. Posted by adrian r Wed Sep 2 10:08am EDT

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    Go nevada!!!
  13. case
    27. Posted by case Wed Sep 2 9:11am EDT

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    critics just dont get it. once a notre dame fan always a fan regardless of their record.
  14. Misch
    26. Posted by Misch Wed Sep 2 8:52am EDT

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    Many valid points made here. Weiss may have a brilliant offensive mind but he does not have a Bellecik to lean on. He is the head coach and it has been a trying experience for everyone including him. He has had a "five-year internship"; now he must perform or he will go away. After Tebow leaves Florida, Meyer will be in ND in a heartbeat. The South Bend decision makers may know this and Charlie is just keeping the seat warm.
  15. JEFFY BEAR
    25. Posted by JEFFY BEAR Wed Sep 2 8:48am EDT

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    Remember a few years ago when the Husker fans turned South Bend red? That was great. GO HUSKERS!!!
  16. Valhalla360
    24. Posted by Valhalla360 Wed Sep 2 7:07am EDT

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    Hey I hate ND as much as the next guy, but the powder puff schedule has an advantage.

    When chubby chucky picks up 8-9 wins and gets slammed in the bowl they don't deserve, chubby will get to keep his job for another year. No one (other than the media) will believe it was anything more than the schedule and ND will continue it's slow slide down into mediocraty.
  17. therealist
    23. Posted by therealist Wed Sep 2 5:44am EDT

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    i might add that we were robbed in 89 and 93 both under holtz but the bottom line is with the

    kind of talent notre dame is able to recruit there is no way we should be losing to teams like navy, syracuse, north carolina, ect........
  18. therealist
    22. Posted by therealist Wed Sep 2 5:31am EDT

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    the problem has been pure and simple for the past 20 years: terrible coaching.

    davie a glorified defensive coordinator given the top head coaching job in cfb!

    willingham a good man but an underachieving head coach at every place he has been

    weis another glorified coordinator handed this job based on his pedigree alone.

    throw in a ton of terrible position coaches and you have 20 years of misery.

    i guaran-damn-tee you that if urban meyer got the job we would be winning and in the hunt every year.
  19. <i>shimaun3</i>
    21. Posted by shimaun3 Wed Sep 2 3:45am EDT

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    Well after reading #19.........
    He has some good points but I still think that their over-hyped. But prior to Davie they have had some really good coaches! Though my team falls short of the status of ND, hopefully we'll climb close someday.(We're on our way)

    Go Green!
  20. <i>shimaun3</i>
    20. Posted by shimaun3 Wed Sep 2 3:40am EDT

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    I agree that ND has a tradition but they haven't done much in years. I admit that they turn out good athletes and are very good academically and that should be celebrated most. But they are still living off of Knute Rockne, Joe Montana, Tim Brown and Lou Holtz. I don't think with the great classes they've had the last three years will bring them within the top 15 by years end, let alone the NC praise.
    I've heard 11-1 and even undefeated and it makes me laugh hard enough to piss myself. The reason they have the big T.V. deal is because of the large amounts of Catholics in America. So probably more political than great football.
  21. Bryce Harte
    19. Posted by Bryce Harte Wed Sep 2 3:28am EDT

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    #18 - Written by a true Irish-hater, an outsider, a have-not who is jealous of all the success and glory of Notre Dame Fighting Irish football. Let us not forget the 2 titles under Ara, one under Dan, and one under Lou in an era where many of the other winners have been slapped with some sort of disciplinary action for CHEATING to get their programs to the top. Also, of all the top schools in football over the last, oh, 50 years or so, Notre Dame is number one in graduates, which unlike USC and Ohio State, makes Notre Dame a true place of learning and not a minor league football team for the NFL. For all you other Irish-haters, take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself how good is your favorite college football program when academics are considered as a factor of success. Oh, and stop complaining about the TV contract with NBC. If USC or Michigan or Oklahoma could have gotten the same deal, each of them and every other college in the country would have snapped it up in a heartbeat. NBC made the offer, and Notre Dame took it. So go bite my blue-and-gold butt!
  22. C S
    18. Posted by C S Wed Sep 2 1:37am EDT

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    #16 - actually, writers and fans enjoy notre dame football (and coach weis, more specifically) failing because of the undeserved arrogance they routinely exhibit.

    in fact, given the lack of on-field success the irish have had in the last 20 years, it's likely that this arrogance is more symbolic of notre dame football than its historical successes which pre-date the second world war.

    perhaps one day coach weis and irish fans can figure out how to turn their laughable superiority complex into a "decided schematic advantage". until then, they'll both just have to suck it up and take their lumps as all easy targets must do.
  23. Dan
    17. Posted by Dan Wed Sep 2 12:47am EDT

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    Schedule is ranked 38th based on win total of last year for the teams they play. Behind ND in this ranking - Alabama, Ohio State, Penn St. and many more. Funny how people just repeat a radio talk show moron without checking out the facts.
    Irish 11-1 and BCS Bowl. They will probably get the ACC or Big East Champ in a bowl.
  24. Misch
    16. Posted by Misch Tue Sep 1 11:16pm EDT

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    The late Bill Walsh returned to coach Stanford after his superbowl triumphs with the 'Niners. Stanford under Walsh defeated Notre Dame in South Bend. Immediately after the gun sounded ending the game, Walsh was interviewed by a TV reporter and asked about the game. Walsh replied that it was the greatest victory of his career.

    Such is the significance of playing Notre Dame and winning. Remember the midshipman's celebration after Navy beat the Irish?

    Make fun of Weiss all you want but don't denigrate the school or its rich football history; and be grateful for the fun and anticipation the next time your favorite team has a game with the Irish.

    ND is unique in that it has a national following (NBC contract - who else has that?) not a regional following expanded by graduates spread across the nation. There is a difference. No other school has the widespread support, not my team or yours.

    ND has been on a down cycle for more than a few years but that will change. Most schools have similar experiences. Before Pete Carroll came along USC struggled mightily. A loss to Fresno State in a minor bowl game many years ago cost then USC coach Larry Smith his job.

    The most compelling evidence of Notre Dame's elevated status however, is the instant reactions of so many on these pages and others to any news about ND or Weiss. Many writers seemingly take delight in harshly criticizing ND's recent lackluster performance and the physical appearance of the coach. Would these critics be so incensed by the physical appearance of other corpulant coaches at FBS schools; or news of other teams? I think not.

    Notre Dame has a great football heritage but not a great team - yet.
  25. Jim
    15. Posted by Jim Tue Sep 1 10:04pm EDT

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    The beating of Hawaii at end of last year ended a long and painful bowl history past,,,All one can hope is that it the start of a new beginning for ND faithful,,A washing of the slate for a fresh start,,,A new season we have waited since the Holiday seasons of College Bowls and wondering if what we saw in ND football will transfer over to a new season,,One can only hope and pray for a happier season,,,,For now time will tell,,,so lets wait and see,,,,,,either way,,,I am ND at heart,,good or bad,,will always support them
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