Big 12 hoping for more lenient bowl requirements

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INDIANAPOLIS (AP)—Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe wants the NCAA to treat teams with 6-6 records the same as teams with winning records when it comes to bowl games.

Under current rules, teams with .500 records can receive a bowl bid only if the school’s conference already has a deal with a bowl and all other teams with winning records have been invited to postseason games.

Beebe’s proposal would eliminate those exceptions and permit 6-6 teams to be accepted immediately.

Consideration of the Big 12’s proposal could lead to a broader discussion about the bowl system.

The Big 12’s proposal is expected to be discussed during the NCAA convention in January.

Updated Nov 2, 1:54 pm EST
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    JHawk Tue Nov 03, 2009 09:04 am PST Report Abuse
    Bowls are great for the fans and the kids. Leave the bowls alone and add a two game playoff with the best four teams after they play the bowls.
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    Dawgmeat Tue Nov 03, 2009 08:50 am PST Report Abuse
    Troy ..... Division 1 has a playoff you moron. Richmond beat Eastern Kentucky in the first round, Appalachian St in the second round, Northern Iowa in the third round .... and beat Montana 24-7 in the championships game to win the 1AA national championship. you know the 1 in 1 AA stands for Division 1 .... right ?????? Division 1 is divided into A and AA.

    get a CORRECT link and i might visit your sight. as of now though ..... why would i waste my time visiting a website of somebody who doesnt even know Division 1 has a playoff right now ??????
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    Dawgmeat Tue Nov 03, 2009 08:50 am PST Report Abuse
    screw it ...... lets just add another 25 bowl games and invite every team in the country to a bowl game, regardless of their record. i remember back when being invited to a bowl game actually meant something. all this horsesh*t they throw around as a reason for not going to a playoff system ..... keeping the integrity of the bowl games and the history of the bowl games in tact. HORSE F*CKING SH*T. theyve already completely destroyed what bowl games used to stand for. the "history" of bowl games was thrown out the car window YEARS ago. bowl games used to be a reward for having a GOOD season ..... not a god damned 6-6 season.
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    Brent Tue Nov 03, 2009 08:22 am PST Report Abuse
    want to end the Bowl System? It is really easy actually. They all speak money. So fans......boycott the bowls and boycott the companies that sponsor them. Make it "bad marketing " for a company to sponsor a bowl and they will stop doing it. Trust me, if the fans would only do this for ONE SEASON...things would change so fast it would make our head spin! And one season of sacrifice would get a playoff system rolling. Football fans for many generations would look back on us as heros!!
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    Brent Tue Nov 03, 2009 08:22 am PST Report Abuse
    want to end the Bowl System? It is really easy actually. They all speak money. So fans......boycott the bowls and boycott the companies that sponsor them. Make it "bad marketing " for a company to sponsor a bowl and they will stop doing it. Trust me, if the fans would only do this for ONE SEASON...things would change so fast it would make our head spin! And one season of sacrifice would get a playoff system rolling. Football fans for many generations would look back on us as heros!!
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    Bamalina L Tue Nov 03, 2009 07:23 am PST Report Abuse
    Bulldog, I agree with a lot of what you wrote. Very nicely put, i might add. However, I am a huge Bama fan and although the SEC has been less than accurate on some of their calls this year, it is much to my pleasure that Alabama has not benefited from them. Florida and LSU have been very big recipients of these bad calls. I am in no way bashing either of these two schools and their respective teams as I have much respect for both. I think that the NCAA should disqualify " League" officials(SEC, SWC, ACC, etc.) and have them referred to as, simply put, NCAA referees. Maybe the NCAA will take a look at this perspective problem and do something about it. I do not agree with the BIG 12 however, and I think that if you have a winning record, no matter what conference, then you should be bowl eligible first. Then if there's room in other bowls for teams to play, then let the respective bowl pick who they want to play. Just because you are 6-6 doesn't mean you should play in a bowl. It means to me that you really had a neutral year and depending on the strength of schedule should only play if picked. Automatic agreements should be thrown for all of the lesser bowls. In my own ignorance, I do not know who your "The University" is. Will you enlighten me. Thanks and Roll Tide Roll !!
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    BareNMoose Tue Nov 03, 2009 07:10 am PST Report Abuse
    They need to get very serious with NCAA rules violations, too many teams caught cheating in the classroom, uneligible star players that when you take their field contribution away their team looses. There needs to be a 5 year death penalty from fielding a team if such violations are found. Right now Florida takes violations to court saying you can't do that to a Florida university...NCAA would tell them, you can play for a state of Florida championship cause because national championship ain't gonna happen
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    BareNMoose Tue Nov 03, 2009 07:02 am PST Report Abuse
    A playoff system doesn't have to hurt anyone or recreat the wheel. You already have too many bowl games being played...what's to say that those same games can't be playoff elimination games. Money goes to the schools and "local charities" where the game is held. With local charities being included, I don't know what local footballs fans wouldn't help pack the stadium. Also because you have invited every team that hasn't lost a game and those with one loss, we will no longer have an unbeaten team not invited to the championship game, i.e. win move on. Bowl games invites make little or no sence, because other than #1 and #2 playing, no one else gets to play a team of near ranking,
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    __A_YAHOO_USER__ Tue Nov 03, 2009 06:53 am PST Report Abuse
    We need a playoff so bad, let's settle this on the field!

    Division1playoffnow.com
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    br549 Tue Nov 03, 2009 06:36 am PST Report Abuse
    its all about money. thats all this country cares about. and we the america people dont care about our society as a whole. thats evident just watch the news everyday. its about money.
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    alejandro Tue Nov 03, 2009 06:24 am PST Report Abuse
    that's what i do not like about the system, for instance big 12 locked on 8 or 9 bowls even before the season starts. there should be no body locked on x number of bowls best record should get you a bowl game no matter what conf. you are in. big 12 is a greedy conf.
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    BULLD0G Tue Nov 03, 2009 05:35 am PST Report Abuse
    I have read only the first 25 comments (having neither the time nor stomach for more); accordingly, my comments are addressed to those 25 commentators, merely. For those needing proof of my careful reading and obsorbtion of each and every minute detail of those 25 comments, I submit the following: "Molly, darling, it is the left hand column, not the right; otherwise, your comment is splendid."

    Most of you have abused me in one way or another (mostly by failing to pay proper homage to my The University) and I hereby report you. Since Yahoo is unlikely to even read my abuse report, much less do anything about it, I hereby offer the following as sanctions for your abuse:

    1. The premature onset of senility manifested in your comment was but a possibility, then your admission of senior citizen status confirmed it--yea, verily, that admission was the fastener that nailed the coffin shut.

    2. A few commentators exhibited a level of retardation stongly suggesting a connection with Oklahoma University, then, lo and behold, hidden among the gaggle of words was the hint that the commentators were "maybe, ugh" OU fans--a three-loss OU team is an embarassment not easily abided by the land theives, an embarrassment exceeded only by OU's recent troubles at The State Fair of Texas festivities.

    3. First, I will mention a couple of well-documented facts, then I will offer a few of my long-held opinions:

    (1) Although, many attempts have been made, The University of Alabama has never beaten The University;

    (2) Coach Royal, feigning disgust with his 7-3 team, turned down an invitation to the Gator Bowl, claiming that his team didn't deserve a post-season game, when in truth he, his staff, and team felt that spending the bowl season in Austin would be a far greater reward than enduring the agony of a trip to Jacksonville;

    (3) the vast majority of the honorable, intellectually superior men from the deep south (that is, the geographical area encompassing the SEC) died fighting for freedom from the tyranny emanating from "up yonder;" thus, leaving a gene pool resulting in--well, let's just go ahead and call it what it is--a present day population consisting, predominantly, of the blissfully ignorant.

    (4) SEC cheating has been rampant throughout my memory and is so commonplace that it is an accepted practice . . . at least the old SWC had the decency to shut down and reconstitute itself as the Big 12 whose members cheat very little, if at all--and the proof of that is that The University (being the premier University, academically, financially, locationally, athletically, ethically and gorgeous-girl-wise in the Milky Way Galaxie) legitimately signs practically all of the academically and morally qualified Blue Chips . . . if there were cheaters in the Big 12 some of those academically and morally qualified Blue Chips would be signing with Brand X University for a financial consideration.

    Here are a few more thoughts: The Longhorns are Two in the BCS and will soon be One; and more and more with each passing day TCU's little horned reptiles are looking like a title contender than the big horned reptiles . . .

    We're Texas and it's hard to be humble--if one of us seems to be, it's a sham. We know all o' y'all Brand X Folks hate our guts and hope we lose . . . and that's the way we like it.

    Finally, to the subject of this thread: If a Big 12 team has six wins it should play in the bowl game designated by the contract between that bowl and the Big 12. And to hell with the rest of you losers.
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    john a Tue Nov 03, 2009 01:37 am PST Report Abuse
    I think you should only go bowling with a minimum of 8 wins period. Too damn many bowls,too many schools being rewarded for mediocrity. There never should be more than 2 schools from the same conference going bowlin. Who gives a good gosh damn about who finished third in some damn division of some conference. Everybody [or most] @#$% about the computer ratings of teams. That is the only fair way to decide who should be in a playoff[which we needed for forty years]. The human element will never work,ever. I live in the upper midwest, like schools from all conferences,have no favorite team,can look at all teams from an unbiased standpoint and tell all you SEC nuts and Big 12 amos"s Big 10 crybabies and all other pansy assed Pac 12 teams that as of Nov 1st Oregon would beat the livin hell out of any Florida or Alabama or Texas. I think TCU, Cincinati,Boise State all deserve their shot no matter what conference they are from. Ask Alabama or OU,it could happen any time.
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    John Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:41 pm PST Report Abuse
    Lets face facts, until the "Big" time schools in every confrence start playing real teams outside confrence play and not loading up against teams from AA or lower just to pad the win column none of them deserve to play in a bowl.
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    D Mon Nov 02, 2009 09:31 pm PST Report Abuse
    Don't knock the bowls. Did you know that 40% of the money that the universitys get from the bowls go to charities? Most people don't know it but it is in the bylaws of the original BCS contract. A playoff system would really hurt the charities of this country...it's not worth it!
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    Monty Gator Mon Nov 02, 2009 09:14 pm PST Report Abuse
    Why waste your time talking about bowls? We want a playoff system that will clearly show who the national champion is. Forget about the bowls that's the good ol' boy system!
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    Janella Mon Nov 02, 2009 08:18 pm PST Report Abuse
    I do not need you to explain what DB is trying to do, it is crying and whinning to the NCAA to get teams in a bowl in which I do not think they deserve to be in and that is my opinion, if you want squat 12 teams in certain bowls, have them win enough games, then there will be no problem, the squat 12 is just a weak conference this year, and it will be next year also with the same coaches as we have now, so smoke on this and see if you can understand my point, and you have the right to disagree but the stupid remark is uncalled for brain dead.
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    WLR Mon Nov 02, 2009 07:33 pm PST Report Abuse
    Several of you commenting in regard to this article seem like demented children who like to gripe and whine about things of which they know nothing.

    The Big-12 isn 't trying to get more Bowl Games, they're only trying to play in the ones they already have contracts with.... the NCAA currently denies any 6-6 Big-12 team to play in a Bowl which has a contract with the Big-12 if any other team in the country has a better record and hasn't been invited to a Bowl.

    Janella, you better put your oxygen mask back on because your brain is obviously oxygen-depleted. You complain about BYU being ranked lower than the Sooners but you say nothing about Washington being ranked lower than USC, or Boise State being ranked lower than Oregon (both of whom lost to these teams by more than 1 point).
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    Janella Mon Nov 02, 2009 07:09 pm PST Report Abuse
    If the squat 12 wants more teams in the bowl race, have the schools man up and hire coaches that can win enough games to get invited to a bowl, don't go running and crying to the NCAA and ask for something that each squat 12 team will not and cannot do for themselves. I have never heard such stupid junk in my my 60 plus years of trying to be a fan of OU, that now the squat 12 head man needs help to get his football teams some air time. Get the schools to take care of bussiness and they the squat 12 will get the air time. Not some school with a 0-5 BCS record, and that same school is now rated 5 slots higher than a school that beat them, BYU. what a pitful crying fit by someone that is supposed to be the head of the squat 12, go stand in the corner for 12 days, what a shameful mess the squat 12 is in, and now we want someone else to help our poor situation, what a cry baby you are DB, pitiful
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    frank Mon Nov 02, 2009 06:43 pm PST Report Abuse
    Hey Tennessee P....you SEC'ers haven't learned your lesson yet have y'all??I do remember Utah sticking a corn cob pipe up Alabama's rectum this past January and Cincinnatti and Pittsburgh are every bit as good as Utah.Anything can happen on a neutral field..by the way for what it is worth...i think Alabama is better than Florida and will prove it.I think USC should not even be mentioned in any conversation period even if they run the table and there are serious doubts about that.As for the BIG 12 Commissioner...hey buddy..i have some land for sale in Florida....interested??
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    Crash69 Mon Nov 02, 2009 05:59 pm PST Report Abuse
    What do they call the guy who finished last in medical school ? Doctor !

    This mentality does not belong in football !!! Regardless of Conference ! You lose 6 games....buy a ticket to the game or buy a keg for the house ! I am a season ticket holder in Austin...and I would be embarrassed if Texas was invited to a bowl game with 6 losses.

    We said our team was good....you didn't hear us say anything about the Big 12 Comiss.
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    RICHARD L Mon Nov 02, 2009 05:46 pm PST Report Abuse
    I thought the Big 12 was lacked into 8 or 9 bowls already.
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    RICHARD L Mon Nov 02, 2009 05:46 pm PST Report Abuse
    I thought the Big 12 was lacked into 8 or 9 bowls already.
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    Tennessee P Mon Nov 02, 2009 04:53 pm PST Report Abuse
    Poor Dustin. The best team in the Big East would finish no better than fourth in either SEC division. The best Big East teams left for the ACC a few years ago. South Florida would go maybe 2-6 in the SEC, Rutgers 1-7. West Virginia and Pitt might win three conference games. Any of six SEC teams would run the table in the Big East and any of eight would win the confrence. The Big East does not deserve to be mentioned with the good fonferences - never has, never will.
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    Bob Mon Nov 02, 2009 04:39 pm PST Report Abuse
    I'm a Big 12 Fan, an OU fan actually, and this proposal seems ridiculous to me! In my opinion, there are already too many minor bowls and watching a couple of 6-6 teams go at it, even if one happened to be my Sooners, doesn't really add a lot to the season. Why not change the rule to teams only become eligible with a winning season (winning one more game than you lose) and play fewer bowls. Then, the bowl games left become that much more meaningful.

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