Mangino could be coaching final game for Kansas

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP)—The last thing this ancient and acrimonious rivalry needed was an extra adrenaline jolt.

Kansas and Missouri are so quarrelsome already, they can’t even agree on who has beaten whom the most.

According to Kansas, the Jayhawks have built a 55-53-9 lead since that day in 1891 when fans arriving by carriage and horseback witnessed their first kickoff. But the Tigers claim a 54-54-9 standoff.

Two things both sides do agree upon are that Mark Mangino is 4-3 against Missouri, and the embattled coach may be leading Kansas for the final time Saturday in the 119th renewal of college football’s second-oldest rivalry.

For two tense weeks, Kansas has been conducting an internal investigation into Mangino’s treatment of players. Since news of the probe broke, many former players have come forward with stories of insensitive comments they claim Mangino made to them in the heat of games and practice. Other players, past and present, have leapt to his defense.

It has become obvious that Mangino and his boss, athletic director Lew Perkins, are at serious odds. Each man says tersely that they have a good professional relationship. But neither claims any personal warmth toward the other, and the whole mess could wind up in court if the Jayhawks try to fire Mangino for cause and save about $6 million.

So add all that to an already juicy rivalry that traces its roots to the violent frontier days that preceded the Civil War. The discrepancy in the series record stems from Missouri noting that Kansas was ordered to forfeit a 1960 victory for using an ineligible player. But according to the Jayhawks, they were victims of conference politics and the player was not ineligible, and so their victory stands.

Mangino’s combative public stance has been that he’s done nothing wrong, that his coaching philosophy is the same as it was two years ago when Perkins gave him a contract extension and big raise after the Jayhawks went 12-1 and won the Orange Bowl.

He insists he intends to return for a ninth season, but concedes it will not entirely be up to him.

“What I think probably is not as important as what other people are believing or thinking that are involved in this situation,” Mangino said. “But I can tell you I’m going strong. I’m really focused on Missouri. The players are.”

For more motivation, the Jayhawks (5-6, 1-6 Big 12) can look to end a six-game losing streak and become bowl eligible while beating a bitter archrival.

The stakes are also high for Missouri (7-4, 3-4). The Tigers are angling for an attractive bowl invitation, hoping to bolster Danario Alexander’s bid for postseason honors—and beat a bitter archrival.

“We’re certainly excited about being part of a big rivalry like this,” said coach Gary Pinkel. “The day I got here we heard a lot about this from a lot of different alumni from the moment I walked in this place. It’s a great rivalry and not every school gets to be part of a rivalry like this.”

The Tigers have rescued their season by winning three of their last four, a run that coincided with the emergence of Alexander at the tail end of an injury-plagued career. The senior wide receiver, who’s had four operations, totaled 214 yards receiving against Baylor on Nov. 7; 200 yards the next week at Kansas State; and 173 yards last week against Iowa State.

“This is an intense rivalry. It’s the biggest game on the schedule,” said Alexander, the Big 12’s leading receiver. “If you win no games throughout the season but beat KU, it’s an OK season.”

But Kansas can also throw the ball. Senior quarterback Todd Reesing holds virtually every meaningful school passing record. He’ll be throwing to wide receivers Kerry Meier and Dezmon Briscoe, whose combined yardage of 197.87 per game is second in the NCAA.

In last year’s game, Reesing connected with Meier on a 26-yard touchdown pass with 27 seconds to play.

“I’m just tired of hearing their names,” Pinkel said. “I think Meier’s been there for like 15 years. They’re real good. Their numbers are good and they’ve certainly had their struggles but they have a good football team.”

Mangino says he’s confident a 6-6 record would be good enough to secure a bowl invitation. It might also prove awkward if the school decides to part ways with the man who would then be just one win away from tying their 99-year-old record for most coaching victories.

“For everything Coach has done for us, if we could do anything to give back, we’re going to try to do it,” Meier said. “We’re behind him 100 percent because he’s brought us to where we are today and we’re going to try to get him another victory this Saturday.”

Updated Nov 27, 11:53 am EST
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    Doug L Sat Nov 28, 2009 03:11 pm PST Report Abuse
    MARK W is right if you live in this community u, know that it's way deeper than the (verbal abuse?), he is feeling the heat from the BB against fb issues.
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    MarkW Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:16 am PST Report Abuse
    I have read lots of posts on how excellent a coach Mangino is, but do the facts support this?

    1. He has NEVER won the Big 12 North and, therefore, never even been in the conference title game. In 8 years, that's an indictment to his coaching ability as the entire North division has been down.

    2. He is an excellent evaluator of talent. Many of his recruits were 1 or 2 star recruits that he developed.

    3. He has not had any luck with 4 or 5 star players, including local players. Why? It may be his abusive style. A kid without other options will take alot more from a coach than one who literally has dozens of top tier offers.

    4. His best chance to win a Big 12 Title was this year and his team not only fell flat, but it can be argued that many players (most notably Todd Reesing) have taken a step back in their development. This year's team has been prone to 2nd half collapses. Is this because the other coaching staff's are better at making halftime adjustments?

    Mangino obviously has alot of talent in designing offenses. He may also be better as an OC than a HC. Is his weight an issue? From a coaching perspective, I don't see how it would effect him. From a recruiting standpoint? Well, there are lots of kids/parents that may be turned off by his appearance. It's a sad but true statement about our culture.

    And don't underestimate how the fight between the football and basketball team may have sealed his fate. It is commonly reported that Mangino doesn't like that there is a perception (real or otherwise) that the basketball team is treated differently and he basically got his guys to essentially fight for their turf (of course, ignoring the fact of the NATIONAL championships the BB team has). It has been reported that the #1 BB recruit - Harrison Barnes of Ames, IA - who was considered a near lock to attend KU opened his options after the fight and was more receptive to going ultimately to NC.
    You don't have a mediocre year AND kill the BB team's recruiting efforts and expect your AD not to be more than irritated.

    I'm torn about Mangino losing his job. He's done alot for the program, but if the type of verbal abuse reported is accurate then he should be fired. You can yell at kids all day and they'll respond to you, but you don't literally attack their personal lives without repercussions.

    FYI - News bulletin...Missouri State Police narcotics division is taking this as an official day off as they know meth production will come to a virtual halt as Missouri rednecks are driving their 71 Camaro's to their Mom's trailer to watch the game today.
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    MICK Sat Nov 28, 2009 09:14 am PST Report Abuse
    glenda s.......I'm 6'2" and 230 lbs, and in my early fifties. I have a little extra around the middle, certainly not obese. I was a walk on basketball player at OU. Not very good, unfortunately, and never played a minute. I've had eleven knee surgeries, and that kinda' makes exercise a little tougher. My very fit thirty-one year old wife likes the way I look. At least she says she does. I'm sorry for you. I'll take Mangino's looks over yours any day. Ugly comes in forms other than his, and you are living proof. I am sorry if that sounds unkind. None of this has anything to do with the story, either. Just sayin.......Boomer Sooner.
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    glenda s Sat Nov 28, 2009 09:01 am PST Report Abuse
    To Jim m. We are not speaking about the obesity of our general population. We are speaking about a person who is in an athletic leadership position who probably can't run across his office from his desk to the door without almost collapsing from SOB. What sort of athelete do you think Mangino represents?
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    glenda s Sat Nov 28, 2009 08:38 am PST Report Abuse
    Mick...I suggest that all you blubber lovers are very obese as well. Anyone who defends that open sign of lack of self control has to be an overeater too.
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    glenda s Sat Nov 28, 2009 08:34 am PST Report Abuse
    Well Mick, Mangino may be a good coach, but he is not respected because of his morbid obesity. As well, if he is such a good coach, why is his season so miserable. Your propositions are strictly fantasy.Both schools need coaching leadership that can recruit some really good players. Until they get dynamic coaching leadership and a season that has plus wins, they are both going to remain mediocre.
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    MICK Sat Nov 28, 2009 08:01 am PST Report Abuse
    glenda s.......His name is Mangino, and his weight has nothing to do with his ability to coach, or motivate his players. As for what his peers have to say, did you catch the interviews with Bob Stoops when he was at OU? Did you notice the talk with Mack Brown after the KU/UT game? He has the respect of his peers, and his players. His problem is only with the KU Athletic Director.
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    glenda s Sat Nov 28, 2009 07:08 am PST Report Abuse
    Yes, John Madden is obese, but not morbidly obese, he never was morbidly obese, and he doesn't hurt one's eyes to view him. One cannot even compare Madden to Mangini.
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    LO Native Sat Nov 28, 2009 07:07 am PST Report Abuse
    Mangino sounds old school. My HS coach was like that, but 75% of the team still loved him. There's no place for that in HS, in college you're a man. If Mangino asks "do you want to be an alcoholic like your father?". You say, "I sure don't want to be a fat ass like you". We got 18 year olds fighting and dying in the Middle East. And we got these guys crying because Mangino "threatens" to send them back to East STL to be with their homies. Let's put that in perspective. If you don't like Mangino's coaching...then TRANSFER!!!
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    LO Native Sat Nov 28, 2009 07:06 am PST Report Abuse
    Mangino sounds old school. My HS coach was like that, but 75% of the team still loved him. There's no place for that in HS, in college you're a man. If Mangino asks "do you want to be an alcoholic like your father?". You say, "I sure don't want to be a fat ass like you". We got 18 year olds fighting and dying in the Middle East. And we got these guys crying because Mangino "threatens" to send them back to East STL to be with their homies. Let's put that in perspective. If you don't like Mangino's coaching...then TRANSFER!!!
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    glenda s Sat Nov 28, 2009 07:05 am PST Report Abuse
    Mizzou sucks. The team is composed of almost mediocre talent, and mediocre coaching. How can Mizzou do any successful recruiting with their milque toast record. It must be really frustrating for the players to know they are going to get hammered every time they are on the field. The Univ. of Missouri needs to open their checkbook and find a respected available coach.
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    glenda s Sat Nov 28, 2009 07:01 am PST Report Abuse
    `If Mangini lost 200 pounds, he might have more credibility, to say nothing of a less defensive attitude, and a greater pool of peer respect.He's lucky his team is as good as it is. Gastric bypasses are alive, well, and successful.
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    Caligiuri Fan Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:31 am PST Report Abuse
    MICK, I won't tease Mangino about his weight. In fact, it scares me. He looks morbidly obese. Like, I'm worried he will DIE on the sideline from a heart attack.
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    Crush Fri Nov 27, 2009 09:55 pm PST Report Abuse
    31-10 Kansas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    PaulR Fri Nov 27, 2009 09:45 pm PST Report Abuse
    MIZZOU 38, KU 17 Nuff said!!
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    Tony R Fri Nov 27, 2009 09:07 pm PST Report Abuse
    Screw Missouri. THeir athletics suck. A good season or 2 and everyone's on the bandwagon. WHatever Kansas has this game...
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    MICK Fri Nov 27, 2009 09:03 pm PST Report Abuse
    Silent Fan.......That kinda of post is just uncalled for. You know nothing about this man or his health. What a dolt you are. Boomer Sooner.
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    Misch Fri Nov 27, 2009 09:01 pm PST Report Abuse
    What? Mangino, Weis and perhaps Friedgen all gone? Who will they pick on next season???
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    Silent Fan Fri Nov 27, 2009 08:17 pm PST Report Abuse
    It's one thing to be fat, but Mangino is WAY beyond fat. The guy needs to drop at least 250 lbs. What an embarrassment. The Kansas mascot should be a pig.
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    Mike Fri Nov 27, 2009 08:00 pm PST Report Abuse
    As a Sooner fan. I would like to see the Jayhawk Regents "can" Mangino. I know Sooner fans would love to have him back as an offensive co-ordinator. Kansas regents are a big joke. Making Mangino publicly apoligize over saying it was "a BCS call" against the Longhorns. LMFAO! Save lots of room for your basketball trophies. K-State got Snyder back & without Mangino, to me you will have no chance of beating the Wildcats & especially winning anymore Orangebowl Trophys. Kansas regents will go and hire a nice guy coach & I wonder where they'll finish.
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    Rich Fri Nov 27, 2009 06:10 pm PST Report Abuse
    Instead of initiating a witch hunt to run the best football coach to ever walk on Lawrence turf, the KU administration should be concerned about the diet and health needs of Mr. Chloresterol. Support and help encourage the physical condition of the coach and ignore the complaints of former mindless and vindictive students & their parents. Not every college football player is NFL material. KU is not Lawrence High School.
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    Doug L Fri Nov 27, 2009 04:41 pm PST Report Abuse
    The best football ever come out of Lawrence was Lawrence High School and they messed that up with a new high school, now KU is winning and the powers that be in Lawrence don't like the fat guy on the sidelines, regardless of success, and it has been said he might have been behind motivating his players to no take a seat behind the basketbal team , setting off that little fight, and in Lawrence you don't mess with the Basketball Program.
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    Gale Fri Nov 27, 2009 03:06 pm PST Report Abuse
    University administrators have proven themselves to be some of the dumbest people on earth. If KU does fire Mangino...wouldn't it be funny if he was hired by Kansas State and beat the crap out of KU every year?
    Boomer Sooner
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    Michael M Fri Nov 27, 2009 01:47 pm PST Report Abuse
    16. Posted by drusalan Fri Nov 27 3:41pm EST Report Abuse
    Turner Gill will be Jayhawks coach next season.
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    Turner has done about all he can with Buffalo. They had an colorful team last year when they won 8, but lost too many seniors this season. He likes to combine a lot of option with a passing game............I wonder where he developed that idea, hey hey?
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    CHRIS Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:58 pm PST Report Abuse
    Its funny k.u. finally gets a good football coach and they want to run him out of town for an average season.Sounds like you need to get some players with a pair.
    Gabbert is healthy Alexander is on fire all you'll see of him is the gold on the bottum of his shoes headed for the end zone. Spoon and the Smith's will have fun with reessing in the backfeild all day long. It will be a beautiful day at Arrowhead.
    MIZ ZOU
    U cant spell coc#s#cker without k.u.

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