Virginia AD casts ominous cloud over Groh’s future

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CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (AP)—Virginia coach Al Groh isn’t interested in talking about whether his time at his alma mater is soon to end.

In his mind, it’s Miami week, and that means grinding into the wee hours planning schemes to beat the No. 16 Hurricanes and abiding by the sign on his desk: “Just coach the team.”

Athletic director Craig Littlepage told The Associated Press that Groh will be evaluated at the end of the season on his “full body of work,” and he cast an ominous cloud on that process considering the steady decline in fan support for the struggling Cavaliers.

“Our goal is to have our fans support the team realizing that the players continue to respond to their coaches,” he wrote in an e-mail. “The players are working hard every day to represent the University of Virginia. Fans have various options for how they spend their Saturday afternoons; we’d like for our fans to be in the stadium supporting our program.”

Since their opener, when 54,587 watched the Cavaliers lose 26-14 to William & Mary of the Football Championship Subdivision, crowds have dwindled at the 61,500-seat stadium. Last week, 41,713 saw Virginia lose 28-17 to Duke, its second consecutive loss in the series. It was the smallest crowd since the stadium was expanded for the 2001 season.

Through five home dates, the average crowd of 46,605 is almost 15,000 below capacity. More telling, perhaps, is that the average is down more than 7,200 from last year’s 5-7 team.

Groh seemed more subdued than usual on his Sunday night teleconference with reporters, and again when he met with the media Monday, but told the AP: “I don’t feel more emotional.”

He declined to say whether he has spoken to Littlepage recently about his future.

The Cavaliers (3-5, 2-2 Atlantic Coast Conference) have lost two straight and head to Miami (6-2, 3-2) Saturday trying to avoid their third losing season in four years.

On the other sideline, Miami coach Randy Shannon said he looks at the Cavaliers in a manner that goes beyond wins and losses, and with an understanding of what Groh is facing.

A linebacker for the then-wildly successful Hurricanes, Shannon’s first team as head coach went 5-7 and his next faltered at the end, losing three in a row to finish at 7-6.

He, too, was on the hot seat, and said he views Groh in a very favorable light.

“Great man, great person, great coach, done a lot of great things for and at the University of Virginia,” he said. “They play hard. People don’t realize that.”

Being defense-minded, Shannon uses red zone defensive performance to determine how well a team is playing. He noted that Virginia’s defense—with Groh as the coordinator—has allowed only 11 touchdowns to opponents on 27 tries inside the Cavaliers’ 20 all season.

“He’s had some injuries on offense, but you know what? His guys are still playing hard, and that’s the thing most times you don’t see when you get caught up in a win-at-all-costs thing,” the Hurricanes’ coach added. “I think coach Groh has done an unbelievable job.”

The dwindling attendance, though, indicates that fans clearly think otherwise.

And it’s not as though Groh began this season on solid footing.

Last season marked the second in three years in which the Cavaliers finished 5-7 and the school declined to exercise a clause in Groh’s contract that provided for a year to be added.

Last season also ended with a shakeup of Groh’s coaching staff, and among the changes was the resignation of Groh’s son, Mike, after three years as the offensive coordinator.

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AP Sports Writer Tim Reynolds in Miami contributed to this report.

Updated Nov 5, 5:27 pm EST
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    Bullocks Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:14 pm PST Report Abuse
    The only thing Groh was good at was raising expectations. Everyone at Virginia was excited to get a coach with a heartbeat after living with the dour George Welsh for 20 years.

    However, Virginia fans now realize how good they had it with George. Welsh couldn't give a motivational speech to save his life but the man could recruit and draw up a winning game plan. Those are two difficult things to do at Virginia and major factors missing under Groh.

    It will be difficult for any coach to turn around the program, given Virginia's recruiting limitations (i.e. the players have to know how to read). The next time Virginia will be competitive in the ACC will probably be never.
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    Roger Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:32 pm PST Report Abuse
    I watched the Welsh coached teams at UVA and knew with George every game was winnable. When Groh came I gave up my season tickets. Travelling six hours to a ball game was not worth the trip. Two years ago my MTSU game tickets were forfeitted because it wasn't worth the trip. They still hang from my poster board unused. Coach Al please resign. We went through this kind of pain in Virginia in the seventies. Still losers.
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    earl Fri Nov 06, 2009 02:58 pm PST Report Abuse
    George Welsh won at UVA before the conference became a lot stronger and before VT decided to do what was necessary for a winning football program. Makes no difference who the coach is they are still going to lose 75% of the time. The way UVA is structured is absolutely ridiculous and certainly not at all a football and only partially a basketball school. Make the tough decision and go IVY where the blue bloods will be comfortable. Just don't hire the Harvard football coach and make the state of VA. a bigger laughing stock than they already are. At least VT tries to run with the big dogs and I give them credit for that. They simply do not have the celebrity status that schools like USC,TX., OK.,FL., well you get the idea, have. And the sad part is they never will, even with the blue collar fans within the state behind them. VT is in reality becoming the state university in most peoples opinion.
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    earl Fri Nov 06, 2009 02:31 pm PST Report Abuse
    George Welsh won at UVA before the conference became a lot stronger and before VT decided to do what was necessary for a winning football program. Makes no difference who the coach is they are still going to lose 75% of the time. The way UVA is structured is absolutely ridiculous and certainly not at all a football and only partially a basketball school. Make the tough decision and go IVY where the blue bloods will be comfortable. Just don't hire the Harvard football coach and make the state of VA. a bigger laughing stock than they already are. At least VT tries to run with the big dogs and I give them credit for that. They simply do not have the celebrity status that schools like USC,TX., OK.,FL., well you get the idea, have. And the sad part is they never will, even with the blue collar fans within the state behind them. VT is in reality becoming the state university in most peoples opinion.
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    DaveO Fri Nov 06, 2009 02:13 pm PST Report Abuse
    I think fans of rival teams will never forget when Al Groh took over at UVA and said he'd be playing chess while the other teams' coaches would be playing checkers. Jerk.
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    Bill Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:58 am PST Report Abuse
    Sadly, a lot of coaching is "what have you done for me lately". I am surprised, however that UVA is looking at the fact that attendance is down in regard to a coaching change. I guess though that winning has an effect on that outlook, as Pitt at 7-1 can't even half-fill Heinz Field and hasn't for several years but for the big games (like West Virginia) but Wannstadt isn't on the hot seat (that I know of).

    Groh might be done - but at least from what I've seen the kids are playing hard and just aren't getting the breaks to win games. Holding opponents to 40% success (td's) in the red zone isn't great but it's not bad, and injuries don't help. Unfortunately, someone has to pay for it all...and it'll likely be Groh.
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    atul s Fri Nov 06, 2009 09:44 am PST Report Abuse
    This is first time in a long time that the coaching ax across the board will be rather light. Strong's options might be limited.
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    Bob Evans Fri Nov 06, 2009 09:00 am PST Report Abuse
    How about Bud Foster? He looked at WVU and Clemson. It might be heresy to move from VT to UVA, but he's a good coach and ready to try his hand at the top job.
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    Brent Fri Nov 06, 2009 08:56 am PST Report Abuse
    For those of you saying you can't consistently win at UVA, look at George Welsh's record: 13 straight 7+ win seasons and 2 ACC championships. The talent is there you just have to be able to get it and coach it right. Groh needs to go. Sadly, UVA's recent basketball coach hiring doesn't bode well for them hiring a big time new football coach. They seem to be resigned in getting coaches that can win with schemes and not necessarily with talent.
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    __A_YAHOO_USER__ Fri Nov 06, 2009 08:54 am PST Report Abuse
    All it comes down to is we need a playoff system. Go to this site and sign the petition!

    division1playoffnow.com
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    venki Fri Nov 06, 2009 08:36 am PST Report Abuse
    As a lifelong Gator fan (born and raised in Gainesville) and a huge supporter of Charlie Strong, I'd hate to see him leave the program, but there is no better assistant coach in the country that a school can have that deserves a head coaching job. The problem is that he may not get a job in the south because of his interracial marriage and that sadly is not speculation--many SEC ADs have anonymously said they would have trouble hiring a coach because of that reason alone. Absolutely ludicrous! I think he would be a great fit for the Cavs in a very winnable conference. If he goes there, I'd definitely have a second favorite team to root for.
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    AndrewS Fri Nov 06, 2009 06:35 am PST Report Abuse
    Charlie Strong would be a great candidate for the UVA job! No Doubt!
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    Walton J Fri Nov 06, 2009 04:16 am PST Report Abuse
    Charlie Strong, the outstanding Defensive Coordinator ot Florida needs to be a head coach somewhere, why not move from one Orange and Blue team to another Orange and Blue team....
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    Brian Fri Nov 06, 2009 04:00 am PST Report Abuse
    Hey - Virginia peeps - MONEY!! You are going to have to turn loose of the wampum to get the better players to come to your school!!! That's how it works. You have a beautiful campus there in Charlottesville but you are still going to have to spend the bucks to get the players!! You can't put the blame on your Coach, he has done a pretty good job with what he has had to work with. The ACC is a great basketball conference but has to compete with the SEC for football talent and generally lose out because the SEC pays better!!
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    Robert C Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:14 pm PST Report Abuse
    He may be a great guy, but he is done. He had Virgina rocking there for a bit, but they trailed off. Not exactly his fault as he has to recruit people to come to Virginia. Nothing wrong with that school, just that the best talent is not going to want to go there. Not making excuses for him at all....just saying that it is probably a tough place to win. But he had them winning for a bit, so it is possible.

    3-5 just doesn't work in most places...especially for a veteran coach.
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    Matthew R Thu Nov 05, 2009 05:46 pm PST Report Abuse
    Al Groh stunk with the Jets, so this is hardly a shock. I say fire Groh at the end of the year because it is over due. Losing to Duke and Division 1 - AA teams should be the end of any Division 1 - A coach at any school. I agree, let us fight for a play off and against all of the B.S. (no C needed) conferences.
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    NINERS Thu Nov 05, 2009 04:07 pm PST Report Abuse
    We stink at football and basketball. Only good at sports that nobody cares about--swimming, soccer, and girls sports.
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    Brian Thu Nov 05, 2009 03:03 pm PST Report Abuse
    Groh has done some good things for UVA, but recent results, including his recruiting have not done anything to help him. Probably a good time for him to retire.
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    __A_YAHOO_USER__ Thu Nov 05, 2009 02:18 pm PST Report Abuse
    Come on guys, let's fight for a playoff!

    division1playoffnow.com

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