Florida State releases NCAA documents

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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)—NCAA documents released Wednesday as the result of a news media lawsuit explain the thinking behind a proposal to strip Florida State coaches and athletes of victories for academic cheating—even those not implicated.

The release also pierces the NCAA’s veil of secrecy in disciplinary cases for the first time due to court rulings saying certain documents involving state schools are public records.

Football coach Bobby Bowden is among those who stand to lose wins—14 in his case. That would further diminish his already dwindling chances of overtaking Penn State’s Joe Paterno, who leads Bowden by four victories as major college football’s winningest coach.

Most of the 695-page transcript of an Oct. 18, 2008 hearing by the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions is a rehash of information previously made public by the university.

It does, though, show the idea of vacating wins is based on the belief an athlete is ineligible from the time he or she committed academic fraud, even though it may not have been discovered until some time later.

That drew an objection from Atlantic Coast Conference Associate Commissioner Shane Lyons. He joined Florida State officials for the hearing at a hotel in Indianapolis, where then NCAA is based.

“This has never been discussed with the (NCAA) membership,” Lyons said. “I don’t think the membership has been applying it that way.”

“I’m pretty sure the committee has,” replied committee member Josephine Potuto, a constitutional law professor at Nebraska.

Florida State, which itself reported the violations to the NCAA, has accepted self-imposed penalties including loss of scholarships and player suspensions. The school is appealing only the plan to take victories away from coaches and more than 500 athletes in 10 sports.

The university and NCAA staffers also previously agreed 61 athletes implicated in the cheating, mostly on exams for an online music course, would be suspended for 30 percent of a season under an agreement between the university and NCAA staffers. That included about 25 football players who served their suspensions in 2007 and 2008.

Athletes’ names, though, were removed from transcript and other documents released earlier by the university.

The Infractions Committee has no control over student eligibility, but vacating victories is a way it can penalize Florida State for using ineligible athletes even though school officials were unaware they had cheated under after the fact, Potuto said.

The athletes could have faced complete ineligibility, but received a reduced penalty because Florida State accepted most of the blame for what happened due to failures by faculty members and academic officials and tutors in the Athletics Department.

As the hearing ended, committee chairman Dennis Thomas, commissioner of the Mid-East Athletic Conference, warned participants “to refrain from revealing what was discussed … especially with the media, until the public release of the infractions report.”

That’s now a moot issue, but the NCAA is appealing to the Florida Supreme Court to keep such documents secret in the future.

It filed a notice of appeal shortly before Florida State released the transcript to comply with a final decision Tuesday by the 1st District Court of Appeal.

The appellate court upheld a trial judge’s earlier ruling the transcript and another document Florida State previously released are public records under the state’s open-government “sunshine” laws. The decision came in a lawsuit by The Associated Press and other media organizations.

Other details in the transcript:

— Former academic adviser Brenda Monk, who resigned after being implicated, said one athlete she was accused of helping cheat had an IQ of 60 and couldn’t read the test questions.

— Florida State President T.K. Wetherell told the committee the university was “embarrassed,” but pointed out the school reported the violations itself and has cooperated with the NCAA. He also argued no coaches, boosters or donors were involved but blamed academics who failed to follow university policy.

— While several staffers were fired or resigned after the scandal broke, Wetherell said that doesn’t include former Athletics Director Dave Hart. Wetherell said he told Hart several months before that his contract wouldn’t be renewed but did not make that public at Hart’s request.

— Florida State tracks how many athletes sign up for classes, which should have tipped officials to a dramatic increase in the music course, but that information never got passed up the chain of command.

Updated Oct 14, 5:56 pm EDT
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  1. KatieB
    645. Posted by KatieB Fri Oct 16 11:39am EDT

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    does not surprise me(:


    bahahahahahaha
  2. Raymond C
    644. Posted by Raymond C Fri Oct 16 10:39am EDT

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    The only way you will ever clean up College athletics is to get rid of Athletic Scholarships. If you grant scholarships on academics alone, you will see true student-athletes. The key is to have the student prove that he is academically eligible for college. If it hurts a few people, sucks to be them. Let the pros spend the money to start farm clubs instead of going to the colleges for free.
  3. displacedinmontana
    643. Posted by displacedinmontana Thu Oct 15 9:31pm EDT

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    I was a Music GA at a Major NCAA-Div 1 University. I was told pretty much point-blank to pass a wrestler in my Music 101 course This kid never did the work and similarly read on a 2nd grade level. He sent one of his girlfriends to the final to take it for him. The kid needed to stay eligible, and the wrestling team needed him to win. As my scholarship was on the line, I just said "sure!." This is all NO surprise. Why is anyone shocked?
  4. michael h
    642. Posted by michael h Thu Oct 15 5:34pm EDT

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    640 - Not true, just asked USC.
  5. michael h
    641. Posted by michael h Thu Oct 15 5:33pm EDT

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    I have been behind Bobby Bowden until now. I think his situation is starting to effect recruiting. I still say the man has earned the right to leave on his own terms.
  6. Francis
    640. Posted by Francis Thu Oct 15 2:55pm EDT

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    Cheaters never win
  7. George
    639. Posted by George Thu Oct 15 2:39pm EDT

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    I wonder what the penalty is for the average student caught cheating on exams? Have the student athletes lost their scholarships? Dadgumit Bobby, you were once in charge of a proud football program. Now you are in charge of a program defined by deceitfullness and cheaters. The buck stops at your desk. I would like you to do the honorable thing. RESIGN ! How does a student athlete with an I.Q. of 60 get into FSU and be awarded a scholarship!?? State Attorney Generals office might want to look into the Athletic Dept. at FSU??
  8. forrest p
    638. Posted by forrest p Thu Oct 15 2:25pm EDT

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    Dad gummm!!!
  9. 37 Hayes
    637. Posted by 37 Hayes Thu Oct 15 1:28pm EDT

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    Former academic adviser Brenda Monk, who resigned after being implicated, said one athlete she was accused of helping cheat had an IQ of 60 and couldn’t read the test questions.

    Granted college football is a job for the athletes, i.e. they are not real students. But, someone with an IQ of 60 should not be employed by a college football team. But, I don't know what Bobby's IQ is either.
  10. Turtle
    636. Posted by Turtle Thu Oct 15 1:13pm EDT

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    Universities and their sports programs are massively large. There is no possible way for a single coach to track and manage what is going on in a football program and the academic program in which his players are involved. The fault in this case lies with the student-athletes involved and with the professors and tutors who allowed this to happen. Talking away 14 wins from a coach who was not involved and even self-reported is outrageous! Should we nullify any and every discipline action enacted by NCAA investigators because one of them cheated on his wife, and we can therefore question his integrity? Bowden should not be punished for academic issues unless it can be proven that he knew about this and looked the other way.
  11. Chief O
    635. Posted by Chief O Thu Oct 15 10:23am EDT

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    Why would any school turn themselves in for infractions with the NCAA's current mentality?? What is the purpose of self policing and administering punishment internally before the NCAA "investigates"??
    The NCAA is run a lot like the the UN - 2nd & 3rd tier schools/countries supply "leadership" for the alledged benefit of all. There is no accountability to those who are enforcing the rules. Time to investigate the NCAA .....
  12. chipswon
    634. Posted by chipswon Thu Oct 15 9:42am EDT

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    You cheat and get caught, you deserve the penalties!
  13. <i>franchiseplaya@...</i>
    633. Posted by franchiseplaya@... Thu Oct 15 8:58am EDT

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    What? Free Shoes University cheat? No way!
  14. <i>gpsistarcam@...</i>
    632. Posted by gpsistarcam@... Thu Oct 15 8:47am EDT

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    "— Former academic adviser Brenda Monk, who resigned after being implicated, said one athlete she was accused of helping cheat had an IQ of 60 and couldn’t read the test questions."

    Looking back at the behavior of the FSU football players (ie. Battle of Wounded Knee) and Bobby's excellent recruiting record, this explains a lot.
  15. <i>simplyamazing8701</i>
    631. Posted by simplyamazing8701 Thu Oct 15 3:56am EDT

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    FSU is really inconsistent this year, Check out the NCAA Week 7 Predictions and Power Rankings at www.theidealsportsblog.com
  16. Socal
    630. Posted by Socal Wed Oct 14 10:44pm EDT

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    The NCAA is USC's biatch. IT should be called USC-NCAA
  17. chad
    629. Posted by chad Wed Oct 14 10:27pm EDT

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    610- you retard, they weren't hiding anything. they reported themselves to the NCAA.
  18. michael h
    628. Posted by michael h Wed Oct 14 7:24pm EDT

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    627 - We agree on something!
  19. Mr Common Sense
    627. Posted by Mr Common Sense Wed Oct 14 6:39pm EDT

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    I lkie Bobby Bowden. The NCAA should be prosecuted under the RICO, mob corruption enterprise act. They only promote madness and stupidity instead of a criminal enterprise.
  20. Lind
    626. Posted by Lind Wed Oct 14 5:59pm EDT

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    NCAA is more corrupt than Vegas and Wall St.
  21. michael h
    625. Posted by michael h Wed Oct 14 11:23am EDT

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    615 - Are you saying that the other conferences are hiding their cheating better?

    616 - Is Phil Fulmer ( Tn) a mob boss? He was a rat fink to the NCAA while coaching at Tn.

    624 - You will never hear another word from the NCAA about the Bush case.
  22. Gary B
    624. Posted by Gary B Wed Oct 14 9:02am EDT

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    True, haven't heard much of the Bush USC case...
  23. <i>lizsooner</i>
    623. Posted by lizsooner Tue Oct 13 9:28pm EDT

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    Does anyone know if any progress has been made in the case against USC? It seems that the NCAA is eager to penalize schools like Bama, Fla St and OK State...but why not the Trojans? Seriously, these are all big porgrams with lots of money and wealthy donors, what's the difference?
  24. Angry Dad
    622. Posted by Angry Dad Tue Oct 13 8:26pm EDT

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    Big Jim, these are State schools, but I see your point. I was thinking one dimensionally on the federal level. thanks for your insight.
  25. Tony C
    621. Posted by Tony C Tue Oct 13 8:16pm EDT

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    John post 616--- Good post!!!
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