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At some point during Stanford's 55-21 rout over USC Saturday -- possibly around the time Stanford players were mocking the Trojans' "Fight On" motto for television cameras, or when the Cardinal were lining up to shamelessly run up the score with a two-point conversion following a touchdown that made the score 48-21 in the fourth quarter -- the Big Question shifted from "Is something really wrong with USC?" to "What is wrong with USC?" Off the eye-opening pounding the Trojans endured at Oregon on Halloween, they've suddenly been dealt the two of the most lopsided losses in decades in a three-week span, and with them have lost any realistic hope of capturing their eight straight Pac-10 championship. That quickly SC, has fallen from its usual perch as a Rose Bowl frontrunner and lurking national title contender and found itself on the fast track to the Sun or Las Vegas bowls.

And it could be worse, actually: If SC hadn't survived close call against Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oregon State and Arizona State, it would be staring at the first losing record of Pete Carroll's tenure as head coach. To the extent they're still a respectable, poll-worthy outfit at 7-3 on the season, it's much closer to the lower end of that scale than it's been since Carroll's first season in L.A., in 2001 -- which was at least more competitive in its losses than this team has been, despite that team finishing just 6-6.

To answer that question, "What's wrong with USC?", there are plenty of potential answers, all of them readily apparent before the season. The Trojans are a) Starting a true freshman quarterback, Matt Barkley, whose struggles have only intensified as the year drags on; b) Revamping the defense with eight new starters, all in place of NFL draft picks that made up one of the most dominating units in recent memory last year; c) Working with new, first-time coordinators on both sides of the ball; and d) Dealing with key injuries all over the field, most notably in the offensive backfield and receiving corps. All of the potential pitfalls of the preseason have come to pass in one of the most spectacular one-month implosions of the last decade.

Clearly, the one excuse that will never fly at the deepest, most consistently blue-chip-stocked recruiting machine in America is "lack of talent," Maybe Florida, Texas, Alabama or another of the miniscule handful of national recruiting powerhouses can reasonably hope to match up with USC athletically, but certainly no other member of the Pac-10 can, and certainly not Stanford, which has regularly languished in the bottom half of the league in recruiting rankings for years. USC obviously is not losing by five touchdowns at home, to anyone, because it doesn't have the players.

No wonder, then, that USC partisans responded with such vitriol to the official school blog's assertion that the team expressed a "never-say-die attitude and unwillingness to relent" even as the Cardinal were on a 27-0 run in the fourth quarter. The implications of the Trojans being run out of their own stadium by a team that hasn't been to a bowl game since 2001 despite a full effort on the field were too much for the L.A. Times' T.J. Simers, too, who couldn't quite believe Carroll's suggestion after the game that one of the most humiliating blowouts in school history had anything whatsoever to do with talent:

"We played hard," [Carroll] says, the Trojans apparently giving everything they had but obviously not belonging in the same class as a group of future engineers and astronauts from Stanford. "We were trying hard."

Doesn't USC have the better athletes? I ask.

"That's obviously not the case," Carroll says.

Are you saying Stanford has better athletes than USC? I ask.

"It sure looked like it today," Carroll says, as shocking an admission as I can recall from Carroll.

"It's been coming and I think it's been kind of clear as you watch film of our conference," Carroll says. "There ain't no doubt [the gap has closed in the Pacific 10 Conference]."

Frankly, the implication that "this is a tough league" might explain 34-point pounding, from a coach whose mantra is "Always Compete," amounts to denial on the order of Bobby Bowden forgetting the score of his own team's game last week. And Carroll is not an octogenarian on his farewell tour. Either his young but exceptionally capable team was poorly prepared or it kissed its edge goodbye when the ball started rolling downhill late, just as it did at Oregon two weeks ago, and neither reflects well on Carroll, his staff or this team.

From that perspective, the really interesting aspect of the "end of the dynasty" for the rest of the season (besides the convoluted drama at the top of the Pac-10 standings in the wake of USC's absence) is tracking just how well USC responds to the threat of full-blown mediocrity. The Trojans haven't lost two games in a row since '01 -- before Saturday, they hadn't lost more than two games in an entire season since '01 -- and are still young and obviously talented enough to close out this season on a strong run that leaves them with 10 wins and sets them up as the Pac-10 frontrunner again next year. By that point, maybe the growing pains will have hardened this year's pups into the usual SC pit bulls.

Until then, we won't know how deep the obvious cracks that have emerged this season really run, or whether they can just be painted over like they were never there by another seven-year run of uninterrupted dominance. But even if their immediate fate is obviously shot where the usual spoils of conference titles and BCS bowls are concerned, we can still learn a lot about the future of this great program by how it carries itself with nothing at stake but the logo on the side of the helmet. The response against UCLA, Arizona and whoever the Trojans get in their second-tier bowl game will set the tone for 2010, which may be the year that determines whether SC will move back in front of the pack or fall back for good.

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  1. BrnxBmbr
    1. Posted by BrnxBmbr Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:08 pm EST

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    Amazing how many excuses the media makes for one of their love-fest teams. How is it USC is even still ranked in the top 25 at this point? Just remember... they were ranked #4 at the beginning of the season, even receiving a #1 vote in the USA/Coaches Poll. That's just another example of how ridiculous preseason rankings are and why rankings should not begin until week 4-5 of the season. UF wouldn't be #1 at this point if that happened. USC wouldn't be ranked. And everyone wants to whine about playoffs? Just like with our current government, why not fix what is already in place instead of trying to create another headache?
  2. DC
    2. Posted by DC Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:47 pm EST

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    I don't blame Stanford for running up the score. How many times has USC done it to them and other programs? Get yours while you can...USC could always try and stop them but it looked as if they quit yesterday.
    Should USC be ranked? Well, if other schools stepped up then no...but guess what? 3 losses isn't bad since programs like Oklahoma have 4. Clemson has 3 losses, if they're ranked, I'm fine with USC being in the 20-25 portion.
  3. DamienW
    3. Posted by DamienW Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:53 pm EST

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    SC "pit bulls". Michael Vick thanks you.
  4. Jacob
    4. Posted by Jacob Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:19 pm EST

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    This article does a good job at explained what's wrong at SC. Namely, everything. USC has the talent, but 8 new starters on defense, plus a true frosh QB, plus all the new coordinators... Amounts to mediocrity, even with top recruit talent. It's just not enough to field a talented team - you need experience and game planning and knowledge.
    But it IS fun to see USC get trounced time and time again. Arizona and UCLA each have as good a shot as they'll ever get against this nicest bunch of 5-star recruits you'd ever meet!
    But make no mistake. Pete Carroll will not tolerate this losing for very long. He'll start younger 5-star recruits instead of the lazy starters currently in place. He'll recruit hard come this off-season, and he'll get the same guys he always gets: the ones he wants. He'll get the Stafon Johnsons and Joe McKnights of the world, while Stanford gets the Toby Gerharts. It's just that when everything's not clicking, the Toby Gerharts will indeed run over you.
  5. kass0809@...
    5. Posted by kass0809@... Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:22 pm EST

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    OU hasn't lost like SC has. 4 losses by a combined, what, 8 points? To teams all ranked (except maybe Miami) and none of the losses at home. OU clearly looks better that USC this year and with that defense would probably handily beat them.
    About the media and USC, it does get ridiculous when a mere 3 weeks ago, writers like Gene Wojciechowski were claiming that USC looked like "a pro team" during Maisel's podcast. Such hyperbolic comments were/are so absurd then and obviously now to those of us who watch way more college football that we should. As a hot knife through butter, you can see right through his shtick and tell he has barely seen any cf this year (or he is that clueless on how to evaluate team ability) in that the one game he does watch, he is "awestruck". That is why the USC hate is there, it has been the perfect scapegoat for lazy writers for years.
  6. bluelightning11
    6. Posted by bluelightning11 Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:06 pm EST

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    DC is right. The morass behind the top 12 or so leaves ample room even for this outfit to still be ranked. Yes they have played awful, but looking at the full body of work so far, who should definitively be in front of them thats unranked? And don't give me Oklahoma with four losses. no team with four losses deserve to be ranked at this point under any circumstances. At some point you have to win the games. Maybe Nebraska and North Carolina which still leaves this crew in the top 25.
  7. genius_man16
    7. Posted by genius_man16 Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:37 pm EST

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    I'm with #1 on this one. I'm pro-playoff, but his year has just made it unbelievably apparent how flawed our voting system is. Why is LSU in the top 10? They are barely a Top 25 team, and yet after they get beaten convincingly by Alabama, they STAYED at #9 in the polls. What the hell is that? They haven't beaten anyone of consequence, and nearly lost to mediocre Washington and Miss. St.
    Before we get a playoff, we need to change the way we rank teams, namely, we need to get rid of the coaches poll, and make the AP writers more accountable for their ballots. Because even if we get a playoff, the teams will be determined by the flawed rankings.
  8. Michael G
    8. Posted by Michael G Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:07 am EST

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    @DC
    Come on now, lets be honest. Go back an look at the games which you say SC ran up the score and you will see it was with second and third stingers in the game...usually coming in at the middle of the third. SC has more class than to go for 2 in the 4th up by 4 touchdowns...with first stringers in. Although SC lost I thought it was a good game and thought Stanford played solid...that was till that classless display in the 4th and I lost all respect for them.
  9. dberk0322
    9. Posted by dberk0322 Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:00 am EST

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    Somebody explain to me how by all that is holy, a team loses three games, two of them by 3 TDs or more, and two of them to then unranked opponents, and still remains in the top 20. This is just another example of what B.S. the BCS system actually is.
  10. dberk0322
    10. Posted by dberk0322 Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:01 am EST

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    Somebody explain to me how by all that is holy, a team loses three games, two of them by 3 TDs or more, and two of them to then unranked opponents, and still remains in the top 20. This is just another example of what B.S. the BCS system actually is.
  11. andrew
    11. Posted by andrew Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:57 am EST

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    #9....
    You lost respect for Stanford after them going for 2? $10 says you never had any respect for Stanford to begin with and you thought SC would stomp this team.
    How about USC playing some defense? Don't they know how to tackle? If not, maybe Petey should have waived the white flag midway thorugh the 4th and just end the game.
    I applaud Stanford for doing what they are supposed to be doing. Playing football. SC somehow forgot why they were on the field.
  12. smorris291
    12. Posted by smorris291 Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:15 am EST

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    A couple of comments on the posts here: 1) Why is everyone so concerned with where USC is, or isn't ranked right now? 2) What does this article have to do with any USC vs Oklahoma (or anyone else)?
    Listen, I get it...the USC haters are out in force, loving every minute of it. Fine. But Matt asks good questions here and all people can comment on is where USC is ranked. Who cares. If you can't make it to a BCS game, it doesn't matter...
    As Matt states, we won't know if this is just a blip on the radar until next year. Obviously there are issues at QB, and the defense is not up to par (as a Trojan, I'm the first to admit that Taylor Mays is the most overrated player in the country). It will be interesting to see how the Trojans come out in their last 2 games, and how a season like this motivates them for next year.
  13. Tom
    13. Posted by Tom Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:36 am EST

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    "Worst Trojans Ever?" Um, I seem to remember sitting in the stands and watching Petros Papadakis running the ball for 1 yard a carry. No, not even close.
  14. Michael G
    14. Posted by Michael G Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:57 am EST

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    @ andrew
    You just lost $10. On another post I said that Stanford would be a tough game and their QB/RB duo was no joke. I've also been a fan of the Pac10 for 20 years now. So where do I collect?
    @ Tom
    My sentiments exactly....
  15. Scott
    15. Posted by Scott Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:05 pm EST

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    Be honest, loosing Johnson killed them...
    I think the Pac-10 just got better and is catching up with USC.
  16. Dave R
    16. Posted by Dave R Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:26 pm EST

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    I’ve been asking this question for two years now: What is wrong with either USC or the sports "experts"? we have a team that has more 5 star athletes than any other program in this dimension - we are told that Pete is one of, if not the best coach in college football and they play in an average conference (they play two tough games each year, taking a bye before one and a loss after the other). So why can't they go undefeated (or do better than .500 in championship games)? Which of this mentioned factors is out of whack (and don't try to say the PAC10 is just too tough)? All available information tells us that USC has been vastly over-rated (Saturday, while they were being pounded, the ESPN radio "experts" were calling them 'the dominate program of this era').
    As for LSU being rated so high... they lost two games; to the #1 and #2 teams in the nation. And the observation that LSU was "beaten convincingly by Alabama" qualifies you to be a sports "expert" (I’m sure you would have reversed that interception call wouldn't you?).
    This decade’s championship race:
    LSU = two championships on the field
    Florida = two championships on the field
    USC = .500 on the field and one beauty pageant victory
  17. mikez34
    17. Posted by mikez34 Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:17 pm EST

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    Welcome to the real world USC fans. You can't expect to compete at a National Championship level every year for a decade. If you start the year with a true freshman QB you are effectively throwing in the towel and hoping for the best. You cannot expect to be a #1 team with a true freshman QB, I don't care who he is. Had USC gone into the year with more realistic expectations they would be better off right now.
  18. Scott
    18. Posted by Scott Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:51 pm EST

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    Indeed 18...
    TOTALLY agree with you.
  19. bigboo's bro
    19. Posted by bigboo's bro Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:28 pm EST

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    The freefall ends with giving Pete Carroll the heave-ho. In recent years, I have wondered what other school has the overall quality of recruits that USC has and still finds a way to blow its BCS championship chances with regularity? I attributed it to the "looseness" and "fun practices" of the Carroll regime. But after this year, it looks like fundamentals and sound team play have just been thrown to the wayside. Seeing Joe McKnight and USC's running game go convincingly backwards is a sign that something is very wrong, when a freshman QB is being asked to run the offense. Let Pete go tweet.
  20. Mark S
    20. Posted by Mark S Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:55 pm EST

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    First off, Im a USC fan in LSU country so I see the hatred for USC first hand. LSU lost five games last year and no one asked whats wrong with LSU. Nothing is wrong with SC. Dominance will come back with experience on defense and the quarterback position. From the few USC fans in Louisiana, we will be back so enjoy while you can. Lets get healthy and finish 3-0 and we'll be back in the top 10. The media loves hollywood. Fight on USC!!!
  21. oli
    21. Posted by oli Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:07 pm EST

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    Now I have to agree with most of the things that have been said about USC THIS!! year. They Do have a true freshman QB. But what choice did they have. They put in whats his name for the one game that Barkley missed and he threw 2? interceptions. (maybe 3) Losing to Washington, so tell me who's supposed to be QB. Our kicker? If you look at the pac-10, 5 are ranked in the top 25. Most of there losses have come at the hands of other teams in the pac-10. Weird. I hope that either Oregan or Stanford go to the Rose Bowl and beat the hell outa Ohio St. just to show that USC is the only team that can expose the Big 10. But remember...Barkley went into the "shoe" and one that game on a game winning drive. That says somthn about him. He will be good the next couple seasons. USC is rebuilding and the rest of the pac 10 are getting stronger. 7 years on top is pretty damn gd.
  22. Leifericson
    22. Posted by Leifericson Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:54 pm EST

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    I heard very early this year that USC could play the 3rd string defense AND offense and still compete in the pac 10.
    And it was on TV, on a sports program to boot.
    Maybe they should fire the people like that who are THAT far out of touch with reality.
    It's so obvious that many people will believe it, if they hear it on tv.
    I'm also sick of hearing about 5 star recruits.
    How good you are in high school isn't always the same as how good you are in college, and then the same for the next level..
    Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick.
  23. Leifericson
    23. Posted by Leifericson Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:07 pm EST

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    21, the USC defense couldn't stop a sunbelt team right now.
    That's what's wrong with USC.
    The reason why no one is asking what's wrong with LSU, is they lost to #1, and #3, and the defense is one of the best there is.
    (13 points by Florida was the fewest scored since Meyer became coach.)
    So... nothing wrong with the LSU defense... They obviously aren't the same team without the starting QB.
    Most teams aren't.
  24. Scott
    24. Posted by Scott Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:26 pm EST

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    You are right 24...they lost to FL who should have 2 loses right now but your conference protects your cash cows--including you, knucklehead.
  25. Mark S
    25. Posted by Mark S Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:35 pm EST

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    Now you all see what im talkin about. USC fans could care less about lsu. I dont write on lsu blogs and comment #24 is over here. lsu could have easily lost to miss st and georgia. USC should schedule san diego st, fresno st, and san jose the same way lsu schedule tulane, ul lafayette, and la tech. Where are lsu's key victories? They are the team with "two crustal balls" not USC. USC and lsu need to play soon...

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