Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:11 pm EST
Sunday night, I referenced the possibility that Florida might win Saturday and still finish behind Texas in next week's BCS standings because of the Longhorns' huge lead in the computer polls, setting up an Oklahoma-Texas mythical championship rematch if the Sooners beat Missouri. This fell into the category of "unlikely but interesting" then, and after reading an assessment in my inbox today from Zach Rosenfield of the stat site AccuScore, it seems even more unlikely -- but no less interesting, by Zach's account:
I actually have access to the BCS spread sheet and have been able to plug in multiple scenarios. Texas will not be able to hold off Florida on the computers alone. But their margin in the computer section of the polls means that this is going to get interesting and will come right down to it.It breaks down as follows. Oklahoma and Alabama win and they are in. That much we know. But here is how Florida can get left out. If OU wins big and Florida struggles, then it gets murky. A big win by OU coupled with Florida struggling could give OU a overwhelming majority of No. 1 votes and could move Texas up to No. 2, or in some cases, No. 1. It is only a matter of time until Mack Brown shifts the discussion to quality losses: UT in the last minute on the road and UF losing at home to Ole Miss. Whatever it takes to creep into the voters minds.
If Texas stabilizes in the human polls, then it gets interesting. Particularly because the only way UT can stabilize is if Florida struggles. If Florida wins big, then the UF will get a bunch of first place votes and be in. But if the Gators struggle, the votes get divided and it gets murky. Very murky.
A Florida win will in all probability increase its computer score from .82 to .88
The magic number is .944 for the Gators. Florida needs to average .944 between the Harris and Coaches Poll to make up the computer defecit. That means they need to go from 2619 points in the Harris to 2669. In the Coaches, they need to go from 1385 to 1439.
To put those numbers in perspective and roughly estimate how many points Florida can expect to pick up for beating Alabama, we can compare some recent historical precedents for other teams making major one-week moves.
There weren't many car-crash moments from 2002-2005, when the teams at the top of the standings tended to get there and stay there, but both Florida and LSU in 2006 and 2007 made the jump Florida is trying to make again Saturday by winning in the SEC Championship, and just to add more data points and get a sense of how the poll has seized and shook at times this year, I've added the point totals for each of the three Big 12 South frontrunners for the weeks before and after their big wins over a previously undefeated rival (as you know, that's over No. 1 Oklahoma for Texas, over No. 1 Texas for Texas Tech and over No. 2 Texas Tech for Oklahoma). According to each of the human polls and the average of the BCS computers (not the final BCS score itself, but the computer score), this is what a big jump in the polls looks like, by the numbers:

Going back to Zach's estimates, Florida needs to pick up 50 points in the Harris and 54 points from the Coaches, both well, well below not only the average gains from big wins the last three years, but well below even the lowest gains on the chart. If all the Gators are looking to do is to pick up roughly 50 points per poll, recent history suggests they have no reason to worried about style or running it up. Unless voters launch a full-fledged, conscientious campaign in Texas' favor -- the odds of either poll coordinating anything like that are probably somewhere near zero -- all Florida has to do to pass Texas is win.
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I agree that the BCS Championship rematch of Texas against OU might be less popular than Florida against OU.
My ideal would be to play the normal Bowl games (after championship games) and THEN determine the BCS Championship teams. This would basically be a Classic Bowls + 1 (rather than the convoluted 4-team playoff they were trying to force last year, despite knowing it was unacceptable to at least 2 conferences and not well liked by others).
Sugar Bowl: SEC Champ (probably against Utah/Boise State)
Orange Bowl: ACC (probably against Big East)
Rose Bowl: PAC-10 against Big 10 (USC vs. Penn State)
Fiesta Bowl: Big 12 Champ (probably Oklahoma) against at large team
Cotton Bowl: Texas against good at large team
Is this as satisfying as a playoff? Not to everyone. However, it gives USC and Oklahoma and the SEC Champ and Texas one more chance to shine (or stumble). Maybe the same dilemma exists after Jan 1st games. However, each of these games provide some quality games and could still be worked in the current system. In other words, while other systems cannot exist (contractually bound until 2014) in the near future, I believe this could be implemented (a stop gap or trial) almost right away.
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I think another factor might just trump that (presuming Florida wins), who won their conference and who didn't even win their division?
Granted, Texas' failure isn't the same as Georgia's last year in that UGA played their way out of the East title. But either way, Texas is not, and will be NEITHER the 2008 Big XII South Champion or the 2008 Big XII Champion while a victorious Florida team would be BOTH the 2008 SEC East Champion and the 2008 SEC Champion.
If Florida had more losses sure. But in this case with an equal number of losses, the conference champion angle would have to beat out this fictitious "quality losses" nonsense.
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Roll Tide!!!!
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You don't choose The Process. The Process chooses you. Roll Tide.
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GO GATORS!
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in all seriousness, the big 12 is the power conference this year no doubt. however, the same argument as 2006 applies - if you didn't even win the conference, why should the voters reward your team with a trip to the mnc game? i think that usc even has more of a stake than texas would in that case. at least they didn't already lose to a hypothetical oklahoma big 12 champion.
either way, if uf takes care of business, it will no doubt be ranked ap #1, seeing as how its ap #2 now behind bama. in this case, if they win the sugar bowl game (should they not go to miami) i don't see them walking away with anything less than a split championship this year.
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I am a Gator fan, and even I know that the stats are biassed. How many times did the Gators beat the "best defense in the SEC" this season by a wide margin? Why are only 2 of the 4 teams that were ranked when they played against the gators still ranked? It is because there are over a hundred teams in the league and you cannot play everybody. It is very subjective. I don't think it will happen, but what if all 3, Texas, Tech, and OU loose their bowl games? They are ranked highly right now because they only played each other. Remember that.
Until one team and another play on a leveled field, we cannot know for sure which is better. We can guess that Florida can beat Alabama because of comparisons in total scores of common teams, but that doesn't tell the whole story.
I would like to see a OU/UF matchup. and just think Texas... If OU beats Florida, you can take credit for having beaten the "national champions"
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Texas didn't lose to Oklahoma either, you know. (That's one reason I think a rematch might not be so severely frowned upon compared to '06 - it would be "we already beat them, let us prove we're better again" instead of "they already beat us, but give us another chance anyway".)
Jeff: The difference there is that LSU won Georgia's conference. With equal records, you'd have to have a truly spectacular argument to justify taking a team that did not win its conference over their own conference champ. (It's possible in the case of really wacky tiebreakers, maybe, though in conferences with a championship game I can't think of any good reason to.) But in this scenario, we wouldn't be taking Texas ahead of their own conference champ, we'd be taking them in addition to their own conference champ and ahead of the champion of a different (and, this year, clearly inferior) conference. It's also different from '06, in which the runner-up (Michigan) lost the first matchup; Texas beat OU already, and I can certainly see the argument that they should be allowed another shot to prove they're better.
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My thoughts, and this goes no matter if my favorite team is part of the discussion or not, is that since what we have now is a two team playoff, there should be some rules in place as to who can participate. In an 8 or 16 team bracket, you will have some non-champion teams of course. But in a two team bracket, the participants must be conference champions.
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There's no talk in Austin about renting a plane for the SEC title game. That idea is all yours and makes you look even more stupid for not knowing that game would be played indoors. Then again, I expect nothing less from a sooner fan. Do your homework.....
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- Jefferey -
Jeff, even though this is a moot point, you still need to get your facts straight son. Please read, if applicable..."Bob Burda, an assistant commissioner of the league, handed Mack Brown and his team the crystal-spired trophy signifying the Longhorns' sixth share of the zone title in the Big 12's dozen seasons." - CFN
It appears that Texas was co-champions of the South. The tie-breaker, was used to determine who represented the South of the 3 Co-champions. Also, there is no such thing as a fictitous "quality" loss. Texas lost on the road, to the #6 team in the nation, on the last offensive play of regulation, to what turned out to be the single greatest play in Texas Tech history...(not to mention the dropped INT) after defeating then #1 OU, #11 Mizzou, and #7 OKie State in the previous 3 weeks. Florida lost at home to and unranked Ole Miss team, but did play the power houses of Hawaii, Miami, and Tennessee the 3 previous weeks. They were probably tired, right?
Pardon Longhorn nation for feeling a little short changed, let us rest bro!!
One last thing for you OU bandwagon fans, (not the loyal OU fans, bc I just simply hate you), but to the bandwagon fanatics...why are you all over OU's jocks when they don't have a defense this year??? OU is known for choking in big games, (Lost to UT 4 out of 5 and pretty much every BCS bowl ever created) and that's when they have great defenses. What's different this year? A&M scored 28(9 vs UT), KU scored 31(7 vs UT)), Kansas St. scored 35(28 in the 1st half), OSU scored 41(24 vs UT), and UT scored 45! Wake up people!! If A&M can score 28 on OU, Florida can score infinity.
Parting words from Mack...
We won head-to-head. I don't want to make a big to-do out of it. But Alabama and Florida get to play theirs off. The Big 12 South isn't going to get to play it off, and if that's the case, the two highest ones (in the South) have already played it off, and that's why I think we deserve to go.
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Let's say there are two gigantic upsets this weekend--UCLA over USC (it happened two years ago) and Mizzou over OU (Mizzou has something to prove and is playing a virtual home game). Under that scenario, the potential opponents for the SEC champ would be Penn State, Utah, Boise State, Mizzou, Cincinnati, Oregon State, or the BC-VT winner. Could anyone argue that any of those matchups would be a better idea than SEC champ-Texas?
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