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Forty years ago today, they went up, and, as Jerry Seinfeld said, they didn't find any women. So they haven't been back. But even in the age of handheld, supercomputer wizardry, there is still nothing crazier than the fact that man actually walked on the moon. (Except, well, you know.) Not that there's any need for another awe-inspired commemoration at this point, but for the billionth time: Kudos, sirs, and U-S-A! U-S-A!

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  1. gtne91
    1. Posted by gtne91 Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:25 am EDT

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    "I knew that I would live to see the first man on the Moon. I did not know I would live to see the last one." -- Jerry Pournelle
    Im old enough that man walked on the moon in my lifetime. I turn 40 next month, hanging in the room next to me is a framed front/back of the 8/4/69 local paper with the moon photos that my Mom saved. I vaguely remember watching the last moon walk, it is one of my earliest memories. For so many of my younger friends, man hasnt walked on the moon in their lifetime and it bothers me, like it does Pournelle.
  2. Kevin A
    2. Posted by Kevin A Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:28 am EDT

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    Amen! Need to get this resolved as well.... The Messiah Obama Can Fix ALL! pffffft NOT
  3. Hitman
    3. Posted by Hitman Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:48 am EDT

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    It was easier to put a man on the moon because the money was there. The possibility of a college playoff will never happen until the money issues ( splitting up the money generated) are taken care of. Don't hold your breath. Greed will control this issue, and has.
  4. Canuck
    4. Posted by Canuck Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:54 pm EDT

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    Good post, Hitman. This is all about greed for money.
  5. tool
    5. Posted by tool Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    The playoff can be resolved if and only if someone would stand up to the BCS and decline the offer of conference play. Seeing as though the SEC is considered the strongest conference they should be that "someone". Divided you fall but as one you can succeed! Once they realize that that money isnt going to be flooding their pockets then they will start thinking of all and any ways to make that playoff work. Let those commies get what they ask for! Let'em fry!!!
  6. GEOFF S
    6. Posted by GEOFF S Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:59 pm EDT

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    I once thought I would never see a playoff in my Lifetime. With recent events(congress) I think maybe we just might eventualy get there. The old lame reasons to not have one are getting old. Though I must tell You it is confusing to me to think just a decade ago before the BCS I do not recall near the complaints that We hear Today. Like it or not the BCS is much better than the old system of conference bowl ties. As a matter of fact I don't remember the boise st's and Utah's ever being in the mix for a decent bowl game. But, just because this system is better does no make it the best.....which We all know would be a playoff.
  7. Robert S
    7. Posted by Robert S Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:59 pm EDT

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    Becuse no one is offering any BCS officals a big enough kickback to have any kind of playoff system. They would lose to much money out of their pockets
  8. chris j
    8. Posted by chris j Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:54 pm EDT

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    You mean to say we COULD put a man on the moon. I don't think we would do it today!
  9. ScottG
    9. Posted by ScottG Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:11 pm EDT

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    The United States put a man on the moon, because President Kennedy announced to this country that we would. It was a united effort. He wasn't asking the country to change and there was no one resisting change.
    What are people willing to change for a national championship playoff? Are you willing to give up the bowls? Are you willing to give up the current conference alignments? It is going to take some fatcats (Commissioners from the Big 10, Big XII, Big East, ACC, SEC and Pac 10) giving up their power and submit to an empowered NCAA.
    It would help if the media could think for themselves and educate so many fans that can't think for themselves. Asking Mike Slive or other BCS conference commissioners and athletic directors what they think about Congress becoming involved in college football is like asking a slave owner in the 1850's if he thinks Congress should be involved in antislavery hearings.
    Some media folks directed more criticism toward Congress than they direct toward BCS and its fatcats. When public opinion becomes so strong against the BCS and the bowls, the sponsors will begin to think twice about their involvement. But ESPN owns some of the bowl games. They are part of the problem. Sports reporters that knock the BCS system may find they can't get interviews from the coaches that are getting wealthy with BCS dollars.
  10. MichMusicMan
    10. Posted by MichMusicMan Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:11 am EDT

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    "Greed will control this issue"
    EXACTLY!!! That's why the NCAA has to step in and start a FAIR playoff. Any team, league that interferes (like the Big 10 and Pac 10 because of ties to the Rose Bowl) will lose scholarships. The NCAA just won't approve of them anymore, unless they participate in the playoff. Fair enough. The Bowls want to be greedy and use money as a weapon, then why doesn't the NCAA fight back.
  11. MichMusicMan
    11. Posted by MichMusicMan Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:14 am EDT

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    "Are you willing to give up the bowls? Are you willing to give up the current conference alignments?"
    Yes and Yes. To prove it, I will (again) not watch ANY bowl game this season, unless a team from my home state or local community is involved. Simple plan. Drive down the ratings. After all, what does any of the OTHER bowl games really mean if it has NOTHING to do with a playoff or a championship??
    The fact of the matter is that the bowls can continue if a playoff is started. See the Wetzel Plan. It works!
    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-playoff112707
  12. JEFF
    12. Posted by JEFF Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:28 pm EDT

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    Why don't we all watch the games on DVR, just start 45 minutes in so you don't see the ending after it happens. When possible, buy the sponsors' competition (Doritos for the Tostitos bowl, etc.) and tell those companies why you're doing it. If they start seeing everyone talking about the "DVR bowls" we might get their attention.
  13. Doug
    13. Posted by Doug Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:55 am EDT

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    Okay, from what i understand, the bcs is a seperate annity from the ncaa as well as all other bowls. its truly up to each university head to get together and vote if they choose
    to have a playoff format or not.
    the bcs has told the media, as well as the presidents of each university that will abide to any ruleing that the ncaa chooses to make and thats to include a playoff.
    when the sec commish made his idea known, it wasnt the bcs that shot him down, other
    commish's from other leagues shot him down, primarily the pac10, big 10 and the big east,
    primarily they felt the sec commish's plan was too heavily favored towards the conferences that have a conference championship game.
    the bcs is actually entertaining the idea of the 5 bowls it holds. the first two will hold
    a spot for the playoff. 1 bowl holds a double header the other the championship game the other three business as usual of course these 5 bows will rotate the bcs is all for this arrangement, but again its up to the university heads to vote on this but
    guess what, the university heads from the big 6 most likely say sure, but how do you think
    university heads will vote that are not from the big 6 conferences, all will vote no.
    haveing a seperate annity paying these universities huge money to play in their bowl
    has made it increasingly difficult for all universities to agree.
    i do believe a playoff format will come to play, buts its going to be the way the bcs offered
    5 bowls, 2 bowls involved are directly involved for playoff format.
  14. Mathias
    14. Posted by Mathias Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:54 am EDT

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    IT WILL HAPPEN. THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION. Just a matter of time. Geaux Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  15. KhefaN
    15. Posted by KhefaN Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:43 pm EDT

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    We don't have to give up the Bowls. An 8 team playoff is logical. As better and more deserving teams get left out, we'll see a playoff within ten years...
  16. John K
    16. Posted by John K Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:14 pm EDT

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    @Kevin A.
    Yeah! Why hasn't Obama in 6 months fixed all the problems it took King George 8 years to create?? I mean with all the "bipartisan" support he's been getting from a certain section of Congress who helped get us where we're at today; it shouldn't take long to fix everything!
    /snarky rebuttal
    Re: College FB playoffs:
    It's not a zero sum situation...
    Simply take the conference champions (all conferences or just the 6 majors); add some number of "at-large" teams to balance things out; play those games at the major bowl sites (rotate which bowl gets the championship game - just like today); determine matchups based on rankings (based on strength of schedule).
    Teams that don't make the cut as outlined above, play bowl games just like we do today. To use a NCAA hoops tourney analogy, it would be like the NIT of college football.
    It's just not that hard... if it takes anti-trust laws to make it happen; whatever it takes!
  17. Chad S
    17. Posted by Chad S Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:24 pm EDT

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    One of the problems that most people seem to miss in this discussion is the difference to commitment amongst the various schoools competing at the BCS level. The way that athletic departments are structured in the BCS conferences are different to that of the mid-majors. Most of the atheletic department in BCS conferences have much larger budgets than those of mid-majors and rely on the revenues from bowl games and television.
    A school like New Mexico is going to have a hard time ever building a quality program year in and year out. There are a number of factors that go into this reality such as location, tradition, size of the school, resources, and conference alignment. Unfortunetly for schools like TCU, BYU, and Utah they are stuck in a conference with teams like New Mexico, Wyoming and UNLV. Even TCU, BYU, and Utah cannot keep up a consistent level of play from year to year. In most of the BCS conferences there is at least some team that is close to championship caliber every year.
    So how could we set up a playoff:
    1. We have top 8 teams at the end of the season and they play. This seems like a good one but there are a couple of problems. First there is uneven level of competition. For the last few years the SEC has been the best conference top to bottom. That is not to say that every team in the SEC is better than every other conference just that there have been more competitive teams in this conference than everyother. This will not be the case forever as I remember not long ago when either the Big 12 or Big 10 could have claimed this. So we really never know how good the top teams are because they don't play each other in the regular season. The second reason and more important is that the ACC and Big East would be left out. Why should they get into lucrative bowl games when they aren't that good? The answer is they spend alot on their athletic departments and although they may not be at the top level right now they will be back. I think there are few of us who would say that WVU was close to championship caliber the last few years and Miami and FSU will be back in the ACC. We can't just ignore that these athletic departments are structured in a certain way and need gaurantees that they will be able to fund what they have allocated.
    2. Take the champions of the BCS conferences and the two highest ranked teams that didn't win their championships. This solves the cash problems for the BCS schools but is still not fair because the lower lever schools will still get shafted. In this arrangement neither Utah nor Boise St would have made the playoff while inferior Big East and ACC champions would have.
    3. 16 team playoff. Is probably the best idea except it would cause many teams to play more games. The argument is often used that these kids are playing alot of games already and that lower divisions play this many games. The problem is the lower divisions do not put the same level of preparation into game weeks. I know we like to think oh these guys are going to the NFL anyways. For the top guys sure but there are alot of guys playing BCS football who will not be playing professionally and they are in school and are supposed to be learning something other than just football.
    4. My suggestion. Go back to something akin to the old bowl system. What that is the worst idea ever?! Hold on give me a minute. Have the old bowl alignments and then after the bowls one more set of ranking and a 4 team playoff. In this system you keep the bowls and make them more important. I mean really for all the attempts to save the Rose Bowl isn't that game sort of a shell of its past. We either see the PAC 10 or Big 10 runner up versus the underachieving champion of the other league or two underachieving champions. Either way it is only a consolation bowl. If we went back to the old way USC would have played the Buckeyes in 06/07 and in my opinion beat them. Then USC may have been playing Florida and LSU wouldn't those have been better games. The Rose Bowl would have really mattered. Big East and ACC could meet in the Orange bowl, SEC could face a top ranked opponent in the Sugar, and the Big 12 the same in the Fiesta. Top four teams after the bowls face each other. Maybe have some kind of rules that force the BCS bowls to select conference champions from non BCS conferences if they obtain a certain ranking. That way Oklahoma might have played Utah. If Utah won they would clearly have been worthwhile to go to the playoff and I think most of the poll voters would have agreed and if OK won hey they just beat an undefeated team and are making the playoff. Also some of the other lower level bowls wouldn't be ruled out of being a launching pad for the playoffs because there would be other quality matchups still available in the Chick-fila, Capital One, Cotton and other large but not quite BCS bowls. The bowls would matter alot more than they do, the big conferences would get the money they NEED, and the smaller conference teams would have moe of a chance of making it in.
  18. Landstar44
    18. Posted by Landstar44 Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:47 pm EDT

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    There is a reason we can put a man on the moon and can't get a playoff in College Football.
    First, to put a man on the moon is ...... well, rocket science ! As for a Playoff system ? We don't have any rocket scientist working on that one. :P
    Ron in Germany
  19. Rob M
    19. Posted by Rob M Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:00 pm EDT

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    OK does anyone know the last team not from a "big 6" conference to win the National Championship?......BYU in 1984 went 12 - 0 and was voted as champ by the AP and UPI. Playoff is a must and would only enhance all of the schools involved. As for money out use the field of 65 as a guide (thats the basketball playoff for those who did not know), make it simple, 10 conferences of 12 teams, week one all teams play a FCS school as a warm-up (hope you dont lose michigan), weeks 2 and 3 do somthing similiar to the ACC/Big Ten basketball challenge (for example SEC vs ACC in week 2 and SEC vs WAC in week 3), then conference play within division weeks 4-9 with a bye week and then week 10 traditional rival or a non conference school of choice. Week off then conference championship game, week off followed by a 32 team (10 conference champs and 32 at large teams) using the bowl sites as the playoff sites. Personally I would use the Sugar as the champ site, Rose and Orange as the semi sites, and so on and so forth. The FCS uses 16 teams, DIV II uses 24 and DIV III uses 32 so dont hand me the excuse of too long a season as the "lower" divisions do it with no problem and have the same length of season as FBS does.
  20. BCin LB
    20. Posted by BCin LB Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:40 am EDT

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    College football champions need to be decided on the field. It has become a joke how some of these matchups are arrived at. From the true cowardice exibited by the SEC superpowers when it comes to their out of conference scheduling to the below par out of conference schedule combined with the abysmal conference quality of the long agp Big Ten. Something needs to be done....soon.
  21. Richard G
    21. Posted by Richard G Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:40 pm EDT

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    The season is too long now at twelve games. And, a playoff system would cause even more controversy. The bigger the field you include, even if only four, the more omitted schools would complain, and with justification. Using the current national Championship game, rarely do more than ne or at the outside two other teams have any case about their exclusion. But with a four-team playoff, in most years, numbers 5-10 could protest at not being invited. With an 8-team playoff, numbers 9-possibly 8 might make case. The larger the field, the bigger the controversy. It would settle nothing. So,let the status quo prevail.
  22. HERETIC
    22. Posted by HERETIC Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:40 pm EDT

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    If nutter dame wins 8 games, they will be voted in the top ten by catholic sportswriters and coaches with a vote and make a probable playoff move. playing the likes of army, navy, air force, and other less physically endowed football teams will assure these 8-win seasons. how can a playoff system avoid such a shameful reality?
  23. j s e
    23. Posted by j s e Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:27 pm EDT

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    Notre dame HAS to join a conference to take part in a playoff system.

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