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Some viewers of today's Pitt-West Virginia game, or any Pitt game this year in Heinz Field, may have noticed the backdrop behind one of the end zones featuring something like a dozen ADT Trophies, apparently representing the number of national championships the school claims to its name. This is a little strange, because almost everyone this side of Beano Cook knows Pitt as one of the most reliably mediocre outfits in the country -- since World War II, the Panthers only have six seasons with fewer than three losses, five of them in the six-year window between 1976-81, when Tony Dorsett, Mark May, Hugh Green and Dan Marino all rolled through almost simultaneously. So what's with all these "national championships?"

Technically, Pitt has never won one of the crystal balls footballs it displays in the montage; that trophy didn't exist until 1986, a decade after Pitt's last national championship claim of any kind, in 1976. As a matter of fact, you'll only find three, at most four, national championship trophies in the Panthers' trophy case, a MacArthur Tophy, a Grantland Rice Award and an AP National Championship Trophy from 1976, and maybe an AP trophy from 1937, the second year of the poll's existence (it's not clear whether there was a trophy in those days, what with the poll's infancy and the Depression and all). Those are the two years Pitt has actually been voted and recognized as the national champion by contemporaries.

As for the others, not only is there no trophy, but there was no vote, nor, you know, any concept of a "national champion" by the teams themselves. According to the NCAA's count, the Panthers were retroactively awarded the 1910, 1915, 1916, 1918, 1929, 1931 and 1936 titles by at least one of several backward-looking agencies and computer systems like Richard Billinglsey, the National Championship Foundation and Dunkel Index that filled the historical void in lieu of polls. Pitt didn't lose a game for the entire span of World War I -- even by Europezn terms -- but there was no one around to recognize it until years later.

I'm not sure how many of these extremely mythical championships the school officially claims, but from the looks of it, they've updated every single one -- mythical, shared, backward-looking and otherwise -- into modern Waterford crystal form for the benefit of viewers during extra points and field goals. Because 100-year-old, retroactive tradition is still tradition.

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  1. Brad C
    1. Posted by Brad C Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:21 pm EDT

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    I have been watching the Boise State game here tonight. 4th Qtr just started and Boise already up over Fresno 48-10. Boise undefeated and very well could not make a bowl game. Is it just me or is that just sooooo wrong??? LOL. Yet another example of how screwed up the current system is!
  2. dethwing
    2. Posted by dethwing Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:42 pm EDT

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    They'll go to a bowl game, just not a particularly nice one.
  3. D.N. Nation
    3. Posted by D.N. Nation Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:45 pm EDT

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    Any WAC sycophant with an ax to grind should just re-watch last year's Sugar Bowl.
  4. Mud Dauber
    4. Posted by Mud Dauber Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    No, we can't just get along. This is PITT we're talking about. A crappy school in the middle of a crappy city. I should know - I graduated from there.
  5. Kevin
    5. Posted by Kevin Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm EDT

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    Pitt's just better at claiming meaningless championships than other offenders (I'm looking at you Michigan and Notre Dame!).
  6. Mike G
    6. Posted by Mike G Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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    http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html
    Here - count them up yourself. I seem to see Pitt listed quite a few times, including many years Pitt does not even recognize (1980 and 1981 are the first two). It's OK though, trust some hack writer over the NCAA organization's website - wouldn't want our anti-Big East bias get in the way of facts...
  7. Chris
    7. Posted by Chris Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:31 pm EDT

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    Agreed that the ADT Trophy pictures are misleading, however, the rest of the article could use some fact checking. Pitt claims 9 national championships based on a 1970 Sports Illustrated study (the 9th was won after the study, in 1976).
    Regardless of Pitt's claims, the NCAA recognizes the following championships (11):
    1910, 1915, 1916, 1918, 1929, 1931, 1936, 1937, 1976, 1980, 1981
    http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html
  8. Matt H
    8. Posted by Matt H Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:48 pm EDT

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    Mike and Chris: That's exactly what I said in the post. That is the exact same link that I reference in the post.
  9. Matt H
    9. Posted by Matt H Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:48 pm EDT

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    I should add that the NCAA does not recognize a Division I-A national champion in football (as that link clearly states at the top), and it's Web site is not an authority on the subject. There have been hundreds and hundreds of rankings and services that name "national champions" over the years, far more than anyone could ever officially recognize. This post is only explanatory for people who might have seen the backdrop in the end zone and been misled, or (if they know something about national championships since the inception of the AP poll) a little confused. These facts are checked.
    The "championships" in 1980 and 1981 aren't mentioned because, as Mike says, they're obviously not claimed by the school; Georgia (1980) and Clemson (1981) are regarded as "consensus" champions for those years, just as Pitt is for 1976 despite Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research and Matthews voting USC No. 1 that year. As far as I know, those titles aren't recognized by anyone outside of the organizations that award them. I have no idea why the NCAA chooses to list them online. In Pitt's case, though, in order to have as many championships as it claims, it must be claiming some of the old retroactive championships. So those are mentioned.
    As for the Big East, this post doesn't reference it in any way or form, since all of Pitt's championships came when it was an independent, before the Big East existed. Again, you've taken offense at an entirely imagined criticism.
  10. Mike G
    10. Posted by Mike G Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

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    Yeah, we are definitely completely imagining your bias - you have a grand total of 3 Big East articles of your last 35, and they all have a negative tone. Aside from the gem above (truly a literary work of genius, in which you avoid all fact to call the Panthers' NCAA-recognized titles "extremely mythical championships"), you had an article about Shady deciding to stay, which has to be a positive piece, right? After all, he is one of the best running backs in the country and Pitt will be a top 10-15 team pre-season next year. You analysis consists of this tidbit: "That gives the Panthers a good excuse to continue avoiding the slow death of the vaguely West Coast-ish stylings of Dave Wannstedt and Matt Cavanaugh." How is it a slow death when he has shown marked improvement over time? How can it be they were ranked higher this season than last and will be ranked even higher next? If that is a slow death, I'll have two. Next article - your analysis of Shady's beastly performance at the end of the WVU game. Again, you criticize his decision, stating "hooray for ol' Pitt and education and all that." Very insightful! Then you take on Cincy in the same article (how do you have time for all of the tremendous analysis?), contemplating an imaginary potential loss to Syracuse, stating every negative fact you could find (or imagine), and then proceed to degrade the entire conference. I don't read a lot of your blog, but please be sure to degrade the other extremely mediocre conferences in the ACC and the Big Ten, who are both equally as bad. In fact, while the Big East has won their last 3 BCS bowls (against the SEC [Georgia], the Big 12 [Oklahoma], and the ACC), the ACC has lost their last 8 BCS bowls while the Big 10 just plain sucks. Please write a post about the Big 10's out-of-conference scheduling the last two years and let me know what you find.
  11. Jorge D
    11. Posted by Jorge D Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:32 pm EDT

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    they just put them to make people feel goooood xD
  12. Rick C
    12. Posted by Rick C Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    The first actual vote for a national championship occurred in 1936 by the AP. Prior to that there, was no such thing as a national championship in college football and any team that claims one before that time simply making it up. I know that some computer "gurus" have gone back and fed information from 100 years ago into a computer to come up with their "National Champion" based on some computer formula thay came up with, but if you want, just pick a team and I can come up with a formula to give them a bunch of championships in my "computer poll". Nothing before 1936 is a legitimate championship (actually nothing since then is actually a championship either, because in there is no playoff, but that's a different arguement).
  13. RG10
    13. Posted by RG10 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:57 pm EDT

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    pitt is a pathetic wannabe school. is this a surprise . one trophy for every fan that attends their games
  14. appalachian state university
    14. Posted by appalachian state university Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:53 pm EDT

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    Who the hell is Matt Hinton?
  15. WarbSF
    15. Posted by WarbSF Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:56 pm EDT

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    While the ADT trophy montage may be misleading as to the timeline of the national championship wins, this blogger obviously has not taken the time to investigate the historical concept of college football national championships, for which no unified or official selection has ever existed. It’s fair if you want to criticize Pitt for its lack of successes since its 1976 championship, but if you are going to criticize a university’s claims prior to the two-poll era, which began with the introduction of the Coaches’ Poll in 1950 that originated the concept of “consensus”, then one needs to equally criticize the official claims of Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, Cal, Illinois, Georgia Tech, etc, etc.; not to mention Alabama who bases its claims on the same Sports Illustrated study that Pitt has used since 1970. (for a partial list from this study that does not include Pitt’s Pop Warner years see: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1080269/index.htm).
    Like many of schools with more modern traditions, this blogger has made the fatal mistake of asserting that meaningful football suddenly started in 1936 when the AP first decided to conduct a poll of its sportswriters. However, without a viable competition from a professional league, college football was perhaps even more popular in this era, and arguments about the season’s best team or “national champion” were just as rampant. In fact, the first naming of a national champion can be traced not to the AP, but to Casper Whitney’s selection of Yale in 1905, a selection that was not retroactive. Later in 1926, Frank Dickinson created a mathematical system that ranked schools during each season, and, upon the encouragement of Knute Rockne, Dickinson’s system was also applied retroactively. It should also be noted that the vaunted AP and Coaches’ polls, with one exception, released their final poll prior to bowl season, thereby excluding those games’ results from consideration. This policy did not change until 1968 for the AP and, unbelievably, not until 1974 for the Coaches’ Poll. Awareness of such facts can certainly put into better light the seemingly unassailable authority that those polls are assigned by the blogger compared to the historical selections that are belittled despite the blogger’s apparent lack of awareness of how those retroactive selections were made.
    In any case, regarding Pitt’s claims on nine championships, the fact is that contemporaneous selections are actually the basis for four of them: 1934 (Parke Davis from the SI study), 1936 (Boand and Houlgate), 1937 (AP and others), 1976 (AP/Coaches). It might also be noted that the school does not claim a title from the undefeated and unscored-upon 1910 team that appears in most championship lists because that championship did not appear in the SI study. Likewise, Pitt does not claim eight of the seasons that it has been selected as a national champion according to data compiled by College Football Data Warehouse (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigeast/pittsburgh/all_national_champs.php), in part contributed to by noted historian Tex Noel. If nothing else, for forty years Pitt has shown consistency with the sources and presentation of how it indentifies some of its most notable football seasons, even if it has recently chosen to visually represent that history on game day signage with a more modern and recognizable symbolism.
    For more information and a relatively concise history of Pitt football, I would suggest visiting the related article at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitt_football).
  16. chadgrosso
    16. Posted by chadgrosso Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:46 pm EST

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    I wish Mr. Hinton would post his email address so that people could respond to his blogs. You see, Mr. Hinton criticizes Pitt for claiming national championships that were given to them by sketchy organizations that have nothing to do with football... similar to the AP poll or the BCS. I would agree with Mr. Hinton if he did not give credit to these incredibly stupid organizations that also have nothing to do with football. Example? Oregon 7-2 overall, 5-1 in conference; USC 7-2 overall, 4-2 in conference; Oregon vs. USC 10/31/09, Oregon 40, USC 20. National rankings according to the completely reliable and valid BCS: USC 9, Oregon 13. You see, claiming to be a college football national champion is absurd for any school ever. Because there isn't now, nor has there ever been a legitimate system to determine a national champion in college football.
  17. Bob
    17. Posted by Bob Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:35 pm EST

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    Don't you think that Pitt claiming 9 national championships in football is just a great poke in the eye to the NCAA, which doesn't have the b@lls to implement a real playoff???????

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