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My attitude toward the NCAA's oooooooongoing investigation into Reggie Bush's lucrative going-away season at Southern Cal has always been that the emperor's police have no clothes: As long as Bush was able to keep potential snitches quiet by any means necessary, the NCAA's investigative dogs lacked the teeth (i.e. the subpoena power) to bring home any fox that didn't turn itself in in exchange for leniency. A lot of other outside observers have agreed with me, for fairly obvious reasons: Since Yahoo! first broke the Bush scandal in 2006, USC has won three Pac-10 championships and three Rose Bowls, Bush has made tens of millions as a pro and pitchman, lawsuits and witnesses have fallen by the wayside and the first of at least three books on the scandal has been published. But not a peep from the NCAA.

But the announcement last month that the Association is rolling the allegations against Bush and O.J. Mayo into a single probe against USC, and especially the late-breaking (and somewhat under-reported) news Tuesday that Mayo handler Rodney Guillory took a direct cash payment from Trojan basketball coach Tim Floyd, has made USC look far more vulnerable to the killer charge of "lack of institutional control" than it has at any point since Bush was first implicated three years ago. Allegations of open fraud in the Mayo case have brought the FBI and U.S. Attorney's office into the fray, and those guys, I think, have some teeth.

And they might be moving fast. The attorney for Louis Johnson, main source for the latest charges against Mayo, said Wednesday he thinks the NCAA "wants to do something before football season," and that "something" will include sanctions. Meanwhile, Charles Robinson, one of the two Yahoo! reporters (with Jason Cole) driving the vast majority of actual reporting in both cases from the beginning, said in an interview with the Orange County Register Tuesday that the NCAA has been extremely active -- and meticulously silent -- in gathering information, and guesses the hammer may fall before the end of the year (emphasis added):

Q: What penalties do you think USC will suffer in the end?
Robinson: Even with the investigation having gone on three years; even with what appears to be a deep, large and wide-ranging investigation; and in spite of a lot of people coming forward with damning evidence, it’s almost impossible for anyone who’s not part of the NCAA infrastructure to be able to accurately speculate about what’s going to happen, simply because of the way the NCAA works. ... I’m hesitant to say what will happen because we don’t know what the weak spots are, and the NCAA absolutely refuses in any way, shape or form to reveal details about their investigations or how their investigative practices work.

Q: How about a timetable then? When will we learn USC’s fate?

Robinson: Based on sources we have who have been interviewed, it appears the NCAA has wrapped up the majority of its Reggie Bush investigation, if not all of it. I believe they are now nearing the end of the O.J. Mayo portion of the investigation. So barring a significant amount of new revelations, I have to believe that most likely in the fall we’ll see some kind of letter of infractions put forward by the NCAA.

One thing people need to understand is, the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions, they’re sort of like some legislative bodies that meet only a certain number of times a year. ... My best guess would be, because it’s taken so long and been so in-depth, that it probably will be later rather than sooner. I would guess November or December — but I also never believed this would be something that’s three years in the making.

(You can also read Robinson's response to critics of his reporting, from which he emerges essentially unscathed, in my opinion.)

Both the interview and the defense are worthy reads for the perspective they lend to the scope of the investigation: At least four different agencies and literally dozens of witnesses are deep into the record, with documents, photos -- allegedly showing known agents and other red-siren types on sidelines, in locker rooms and partying alongside players and coaches -- recordings, sworn testimonies and, yes, possibly ulterior motives. (Louis Johnson, main source for the Mayo story, has an allegedly sketchy background and a book deal; but how do you report on corruption without relying on people who are/have been corrupt? The sources are the sources.) All of which forms one very dark, very heavy cloud over the Trojans for at least the next six months.

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  1. Matt O
    1. Posted by Matt O Thu May 14, 2009 3:37 pm EDT

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    oh snap, dawg
  2. Hitman
    2. Posted by Hitman Thu May 14, 2009 3:44 pm EDT

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    And the beat goes on......
  3. Ruffian
    3. Posted by Ruffian Thu May 14, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    There is no "hammer" to fall. Things changed greatly in 1999 when Notre Dame got caught. All of the elements were there....money flowing from a sanctioned booster organization to players. A booster in the Notre Dame Quarterback Club embezzled $1.4 million from her employer and used much of it to purchase lavish gifts and trips for ND athletes. The penalty for payments of tens of thousands of dollars to players? Loss of one football scholarhsip for two seasons and the players were suspended for one game. Nothing happened. In the USC case....nothing will happen. Further proof? Eight years ago Texas Tech was ordered to forfeit games as a result of using up to 21 ineligible football players. As of 2009, despite the acceptance of those penalties years ago, no one has bothered to enforce the penalties. Nothing has happened. Nothing will.
  4. popnarlene
    4. Posted by popnarlene Thu May 14, 2009 7:05 pm EDT

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    I truly don't remember any ND investigation back in 1999. I have never heard of ND losing football scolarships due to NCAA sanctions nor ND found guillty of giving players thousands of dollars and lavish gifts. I shall endever to locate such happenings.
  5. Carlo S
    5. Posted by Carlo S Thu May 14, 2009 7:23 pm EDT

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    popnarlene, save your endevoring. You won't find it. Everytime USC or some other cheater gets caught, some idiot(s) wants to yelp and howl about Notre Dame. Yes, there was a loose "lady" who was a member of the QB club. who embezzeled money from her employer and spent it on gifts for her "boyfriends" on the football team. She was caught, kicked out of the QB club, banned from campus and prosecuted. The players in question had already graduated, so no discipline could be brought against them. To my knowledge, it isthe only time in its history that Notre Dame has had this type of "scandal". Certainly nothing like the OJ Simpsons, Anthony Davises, et al, Jr college athletes that USC brought in the back door. USC has been dirty since the John McKay days, but has rarely been caught. Ruffian, don't point fingers, you have enough problems with your team's dirt.
  6. Killshot
    6. Posted by Killshot Thu May 14, 2009 7:32 pm EDT

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    Carlo is correct. Trojan football is among the dirtiest in the nation. Matt Leinart spending year 5 taking dance lessons and no other classes, lavish apartments for players whose families have no money, it goes on and on. Games over...they are gonna get [profane]canned.
  7. billy
    7. Posted by billy Thu May 14, 2009 8:07 pm EDT

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    if they do get canned what will espn talkabout during football season no trojans to them means no news.... GO VOLS!!!!
  8. mikemapes2
    8. Posted by mikemapes2 Thu May 14, 2009 9:26 pm EDT

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    It's JUST like OU in the Rhett Bomar pay for no work scandal...OU gets popped, had to forfeit games, but they go cry to the NCAA that it wasn't fair (and remember they were going through a basketball scandal as well) and the matter was forgotten. Bomar goes to Sam Houston St. and Big Red Sports ("In Norman") isn't there any more, but OU goes scott free because like U$¢, they are too big of a football program to fail The Basketball program might get popped, but not Football. Even after U$¢ alumni Sean Salisbury said on ESPN NFL Live that Carrol didn't need a NFL job, he has one already - The PAC 10 and the NCAA will not do a thing!
  9. Smokin Mok
    9. Posted by Smokin Mok Thu May 14, 2009 9:31 pm EDT

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    So the major programs that will have sanctions are FSU, Bama and USC right?
  10. mike s
    10. Posted by mike s Thu May 14, 2009 10:33 pm EDT

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    Where does this end. How can Stanford, and schools like them (meaning high academics), compete against football factories like USC. Pete Carrol is a genius at running around the NCAA rules. Every year, the NCAA rules committee has to modify a rule because Pete worked his magic around it. Reggie Bush was a great college player. That does not entitle him to any other benefits other than a free Division 1 education. By the way, that in itself, with meal package, dorm room, books is well over $100K. For those who think Div 1 players should be paid, they are. I don't know what we can do other than go after USC in a very severe way. Reggie Bush was not the problem, USC and the NCAA system are.
  11. james
    11. Posted by james Thu May 14, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    Nothing will happen to USC. The NCAA is like the government...the only people it punishes is those who speak against them, which generally comes in the area of basketball, Jerry Tarkanian, Dale Brown etc. As for punishing USC...it will never happen. A slap on the wrist at the most. The NCAA needs USC they are a money maker...period. The sad thing about this whole thing...Pete Carroll buys players on annual basis and can't win crap. He has only one crystal ball to his credit. He's a crappy coach who can't even win, while cheating and playing in one of the most uncompetive leagues in the country. The whole thing is laughable. He's a moron and if he went back to the NFL he would be fired in one season.
  12. Phocion
    12. Posted by Phocion Thu May 14, 2009 11:12 pm EDT

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    The only way USC gets more than a slap on the wrist is if it turns out the NCAA has confused "Southern Cal" with "South Carolina"...because serious penalties are reserved for the SEC and other teams from the South.
  13. drumsandchicken
    13. Posted by drumsandchicken Thu May 14, 2009 11:49 pm EDT

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    Actually, I would guess the penalties will be fairly harsh. In the OU Rhett Bomar scandal and, so far as I know, all the other infractions that have occurred over the last couple of decades the school self-reported to avoid the kind of catastrophic penalties that the NCAA imposed on SMU. The schools essentially pled guilty (and threw the players under the bus) in return for a lighter penalty. USC went the mafia route and tried stonewalling and burying the bodies. So now you have a pissed off enforcement body in an era where people are openly questioning the role of athletic departments in the face of campus budget cuts all topped with the marachino cherry of possible Senate hearings by Mr. Hatch about how 'communist' the BCS system is. I'm not suggesting USC gets the death penalty (incidentally, I think I've bagged my limit on metaphors), but this has the makings of a perfect storm (I can stop anytime. Really.) for them and some pretty steep penalties.
  14. Jeff
    14. Posted by Jeff Fri May 15, 2009 7:59 am EDT

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    ChrisD,
    I'd watch out if I were a Vol fan....
    Lane Kiffin - USC coach 2001-2006
    Ed Orgeron - USC coach 2005-2007
    Old habits die hard.
  15. herbert e
    15. Posted by herbert e Fri May 15, 2009 8:28 am EDT

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    Poor usc if they dont have enough problems. the best teams ever to only win one national championship. long horn fan here!!!!!!! remember when usc was going for three peat but hadnt won two. texas goes to there home field and beats them. they cheat and cant even get into the big game playing in the pac-10. if tx , ou, florida, bama, played in the pac-10 or big 10 they would go every year. they always say pete carrol is such a great coach he is a good coach that is it. what a discrace to usc.
  16. Jay S
    16. Posted by Jay S Fri May 15, 2009 9:32 am EDT

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    oh crap! Somehow, after all is said and done, Auburn will be considered the 2004 National Champions. Gaaah!! I can't stand those guys!!
  17. herbert e
    17. Posted by herbert e Fri May 15, 2009 10:01 am EDT

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    lol auburn didnt even play in the nat championship game. i dont think so!!!! no one could beat vince young
  18. ed w
    18. Posted by ed w Fri May 15, 2009 10:11 am EDT

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    It is about time the ncaa does somthing w/ there little sweethearts out ther in Cal. If that had been a SEC school they would already have been given the hammer or should I say the ax.
  19. Ruffian
    19. Posted by Ruffian Fri May 15, 2009 11:03 am EDT

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    I did not intend to slander Notre Dame by pointing out that the Irish were found guilty of "major" violations, were put on probation for two years, and were docked one football scholarship over two seasons. As they say....you can look it up....the ncaa website lists all major violations and provides the report for each. Despite Post #5 incorrectly stating "You won't find it", if you go to the NCAA list of major infraction cases....you will find it..
    The point I was trying to make was that there was a drastic change in penalties that seemed to coincide with the Notre Dame case. Back in the 80s, sanctions were drastic for even relatively minor violations. One of the violations on the list on the website was for a booster (without the knowledge of the institution) providing a car loan to the mother of a new recruit. While it was a legitimate loan that the mom had to (and did) repay, it was a "non-qualifying loan", that is, mom would not have qualified for the loan under the bank's normal lending practices. NCAA penalty was that the kid had to transfer to another school and the school was placed on three years probation, no bowl games for two years, and no TV appearances for two years. All because a booster did something the school did not know about. Sanctions back then were very, very tough. The ND case helped to correct some of the over-penalizing that was being done by the NCAA. For the first time, the NCAA seemed to accept the excuse that "...it was just a booster" even in situations when it arose out of a sanctioned booster organization (in that case , the ND Quarterback Club). Since 1999, all sanctions have been much lighter. I cannot recall a case where a school of any consequence has been taken off TV or out of bowl games since that time.
    Once again, I'm not cracking on ND (or defending USC who I would like to see get pounded). I'm just suggesting that since 1999 the NCAA has been rather toothless in handing out penalties. Thus my prediction that USC will get a nasty letter, a slap on the wrist and no sanction of any consequence.
  20. Mark H
    20. Posted by Mark H Fri May 15, 2009 1:18 pm EDT

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    The NCAA combined the football and basketball investigations so that they'll only have to use one broom to sweep this under the rug.
  21. Robert C
    21. Posted by Robert C Fri May 15, 2009 3:17 pm EDT

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    I'm sorry Ruffian but you're wrong for a number of reasons. First, the NCAA sanctions became increasingly less harsh for major programs following the SMU case. I realize that you can go through and look at some infractions during the 90s in which the penalties seem overly harsh, however, the penalties that lesser institutions and major institutions recieved differed. This is becasue following the NCAA giving them the death penalty, SMU, who had been a major player in college football, never recovered. The NCAA rationalized that if they punished the major schools in this way they would be hurting their major money makers and so, whether intentionally or subconsciously, changed the system to punish one group of offenders differently than the other. Hopefully, the punishment against Oklahoma for Bomar and the increased intensity of the investigation into USC's atheletes marks that the NCAA has learned it's lesson. The lack of punishment for big time school's breaking the rules protect the cash cows in the short run but hurts the NCAA in the long run as their reputation and authority continue to break down.
    Second, your belief that ND's sanctions were less than deserved is faulty. You are insistent in labeling the woman as a booster which while correct, is misleading. The woman was a member of the Quarterback's Club, however, to become a member she paid a $25 fee and attended a lunch. This was not a major booster lavishing the program with donations. When the NCAA wrote the rules against gifts from boosters they were intended to be used against major boosters. Furthermore, the gifts that the woman made to the football players were not as a booster but as a girlfriend. I realize that you are loath to admit that this woman was actually dating the players, but courts frequently recognize that an individual wears multiple hats so to speak and it is important to look at in what capacity the person was acting in determining liability. Her intention when giving the gifts to the players was for her own benefit and not that of the university, as she enjoyed "dating" (sleeping) with the football players. Notre Dame was not blameless in this, as anytime an individual is giving players lavish gifts the university has a duty to investigate the situation, and therefore, the sanctions were justified, however, to compare the violations of USC which involved payments by agents and coachs, with what happened at Notre Dame is like comparing Murder with Jay-walking.
  22. brnknite
    22. Posted by brnknite Fri May 15, 2009 4:56 pm EDT

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    So much hate for the Trojans 2 incidents dose not mean lack of control yahoo shame on you trying to make a name for your self off 1 bad move from 1 player in the football camp everyone knew Mayo was on the take from day one why would he come to U S C and pass North Carolina and the ACC. Your pro players on the juice breaking all the records only 1 is rejected Bonds the rest keep playing. DON'T YOU KNOW WE SPORTS FANS DON'T CARE. BECASE ONE GETS COUGHT "SO WHAT" the Yankees our premier sports team has more cheaters then most and they let them play do you hear their fans crying about kick the cheaters off the team have Yankees cancelled 1 contract. I don't think so what we see is the park is sold out regular.Also wasn't george in charge or sitting our Olympic training centers like how that turned out. So stick it to U S C. TROJANS haters kiss were the sun don't shine.
  23. Neeste
    23. Posted by Neeste Fri May 15, 2009 6:15 pm EDT

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    First of all, hats off to Yahoo Sports for not giving up on the NCAA's (non) investigation of USC and Reggie Bush. This story is not mentioned by any of the so called premier sports networks or print media. It is a Yahoo exclusive.
    Secondly, this whole thing has made a mockery of the NCAA's rules and investigative unit. Why should any student player, why should any school follow NCAA rules? They should merely hire a good attorney and demand equal treatment to the way they have handled Reggie Bush and USC. That is, how they have not handled Reggie Bush and USC. Three long years, and still no discipline for their flagrant rule violations. The NCAA has sent a message, players can be provided money, their family can receive lavish living arrangements. The NCAA has given up on it's right and responsibility to monitor schools for violations regarding monetary payments to student athletes. It is not fair to other universities to allow this infraction to stay on the books these long years, then try to enforce rules upon them, for a more minor, in comparison, infraction. There are no rules, according to the NCAA and USC.
    Again, great applause to Yahoo for exposing this NCAA created charade.
  24. tortelvis_himself
    24. Posted by tortelvis_himself Fri May 15, 2009 8:36 pm EDT

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    brnknite - Huh?
  25. AlA
    25. Posted by AlA Fri May 15, 2009 8:38 pm EDT

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    The old saying "People in Glass Houses Shouldn't Throw Stones" come to mind. If USC is dirty, then all the other programs are, even Stanford, with Harbaugh at the helm, since one would be foolish to say no booster has every given something to an athelete being courted to attend that school. It's just USC and other frequently successful schools have done a much better job at playing the game and deeper pockets.
    But fans lose focus on the real problem because we get caught up with the name calling on the schools we hate to see win. The real problem is the NCAA, by going "Hollywood" with college football, the NCAA has basically sanctioned the type of behavior from the schools, athletic programs, boosters and the atheletes themselves, if someone is flashing cash at you, wouldn't you as the student athelete be more willing to go to the school? If you want real change the NCAA has to look within themselves and see the systemic problems. Otherwise, giving sanctions by piecemeal just amounts to a dog and pony show for the masses to see and think that "something is being done" to solve the problem, while in reality nothing is being done.

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