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I've said here before that, although I accept that Tim Tebow won't be a top quarterback prospect in the NFL, I don't understand it (especially the ludicrous comparisons to Eric Crouch, with whom the Tebow Child has virtually nothing in common outside of that one trophy or whatever it is they both won). Tebow has the size, the temperment and the track record; he's excelled in every possible facet of the game, including (especially) as a passer.

Apparently Jon Gruden, currently holed up with a hectare of game film in a Tampa office park, is also high on Tebow, albeit in a somewhat surprising context:

Q: The spread is being run in high schools and colleges, is it possible it could be a base offense in the NFL one day?

A: "No question. The hard part is, you have to isolate the option. That's why Tim Tebow is so interesting to me. He's like Brandon Jacobs playing quarterback. He's 250 pounds. He's the strongest human being who's ever played the position. Ever. ... Tebow is the kind of guy who could revolutionize the game. He's the 'wildcat' who can throw. Most of the teams that have the wildcat back there, it's Ronnie Brown, it's Jerious Norwood, it's whoever you want to say it is. This guy here is 250 pounds of concrete cyanide, man. And he can throw. He throws well enough at any level to play quarterback."

I'm glad to be in the corner on this matter with a longtime pro quarterback guru with a Super Bowl championship to his credit, although my instincts (as usual) align with Swindle's: Gruden expresses surprising enthusiasm in this interview for learning "the spread" -- specifically, the spread option, as opposed to the multiple receiver formations every team in the NFL has run for at least a decade; in addition to the usual Tebow love, he also wants to study Chip Kelly's "cool" offense at Oregon -- but the odds of a pro lifer like Gruden actually risking a quarterback as the philosophies at Florida and Oregon require if/when he returns to an NFL sideline are about as good as the odds of him taking the Notre Dame job in the near future. And even if he did take the Notre Dame job, or any other college gig, Gruden's influences remain somewhat, shall we say, limited:

"I want to go to Al Groh's camp in Virginia. I love the way Al Groh coaches that football team."

That would be the team with two losing seasons in the last three years, coming off a 5-7 effort in which it finished dead last in the ACC -- the ACC! -- in total and scoring offense and lost by four touchdowns to Duke. Virginia's offense is the most uncool offense imaginable.

It's also, tellingly, one of the most self-consciously "pro style" in college, which might explain some of the attraction in this case (ignorance might also explain it, but sleep deprived or not, Gruden deserves more credit than that). It also leads me to think that when he says there's "no question" a college-style spread will eventually find its way to the NFL, there's probably some question. If it does, it will be by a revolutionary on a mission -- Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, Rich Rodriguez -- and not one of the natives. Gruden's veering close enough to heresy as it is.

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  1. 4.0 Point Stance
    1. Posted by 4.0 Point Stance Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    Well Groh did had some good years with Heath Miller and Matt Schaub running that "West Coast" offense. But that's so 2004.
  2. Year2
    2. Posted by Year2 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:28 pm EDT

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    Well, for what it's worth Mike Tomlin of the Steelers is at least well aware of who Tim Tebow is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esg8lUgS7KY
    That was from the Super Bowl, yo.
  3. Earl of Funk
    3. Posted by Earl of Funk Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:30 pm EDT

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    Jon Gruden....who's he?
  4. Senator Blutarsky
    4. Posted by Senator Blutarsky Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:30 pm EDT

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    In Groh's defense (as much as I hate to offer it), he finally dumped his son, the offensive coordinator, and hired Gregg Brandon, who helped develop Urban Meyer's spread offense at Bowling Green. So there's that.
    But I still think Gruden was on drugs when he said that.
  5. kass0809@...
    5. Posted by kass0809@... Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:47 pm EDT

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    I guess I will, somewhat, call you out on one thing. I think that this, esoteric belief that Tebow is somehow more of a winner than anyone else is really kinda bs. Honestly, give Eric Crouch that Florida D, the supporting players like Harvin, and does Crouch not replicate that success? Is there really any doubt that if OU had Florida's D last month, that Sam Bradford and OU are not National Champs?
    Ultimately, I think the concerns about Tebow are legit. He does look horrible throwing at times and make bad mistakes. Those 2 ints were terrible passes on his part. Esp the first one, where the corner was 5 yds away when the pass was thrown, but the pass took soo long that the corner made up the difference for the int.
    Now do I think that Tebow is a modern day eric crouch, absolutely not, but some of the same concerns do apply at the NFL level.
  6. kass0809@...
    6. Posted by kass0809@... Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:47 pm EDT

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    Yes, my hurried comment english does sux.
  7. Kosmo
    7. Posted by Kosmo Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:57 pm EDT

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    Teabow might be a good NFL prospect, as long as Gruden has absolutely nothing to do with mentoring him. Name just one offensive player Gruden has developed at Tampa. None.
  8. VictorSM
    8. Posted by VictorSM Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:52 pm EDT

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    Tebow is not a good NFL QB prospect and there is a reason why the spread can never develop into being a team's offensive "system" at the NFL level. With all the running into the teeth of the front seven the QB has to do in the spread, the QB will get hurt....quickly. The spread can be a package, but it can't be an entire system. Defensive players in the NFL are too big and too fast. Tebow is 250 pounds. So what? So is pretty much every inside linebacker in the NFL. And they're faster than he is(in fact, he's pretty slow for a messianic football player). And each one of them was a lights-out hitter at the college level. He'd be turned into mush halfway through his first full season as a starter if they had him running off-tackle from the shotgun. As for Tebow playing QB at all(spread or otherwise), the NFL is brutal on any player that displays a tendency or a weakness. Tebow is weak(I mean WEAK) at nearly every aspect of his passing game. He doesn't read well, he doesn't have an arm, his throwing motion is slow and he doesn't have consistent footwork. He is moderately accurate, but he's managed to make what should be every day professional throws look spectacular simply because he's late on his reads and the window is nearly closed. Bottom line, if Gruden wants you at quarterback, you should seriously think about playing another position. Gradkowski? Simms? Griese? Even Garcia is way past his expiration date and should have been there as a highly capable backup to groom a young buck.
  9. big_bull_66
    9. Posted by big_bull_66 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    maybe gruden's been drinking a bit too much zima at those wahoo tailgates
    damn wahoos haven't beaten us hokies since the 2003 season, and counting
    same goes for those hillbilly mountaineers of wvu
  10. Tyler
    10. Posted by Tyler Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:47 pm EDT

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    Has John Gruden ever met a quarterback he hasn't liked?

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