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First things first: Of the two relevant polls that have been released as of this writing, the Coaches poll and Jeff Sagarin's computer poll both rank Oklahoma ahead of Texas. The margin in the Sagarin poll is .44 points, out of a possible 100 for any given team. The margin in the Coaches' poll is one point out of a total 19,825 points across the entire poll. Because the BCS uses voting percentages in its calculations, not the rankings, Oklahoma's advantage there is 7.05 percent of all points to Texas' 7.04 percent. Seriously: It's one-hundredth of a point according to the coaches. They're separated by literally one vote.

The mysterious Harris poll and the other computer polls won't update until later today, and I'll be somewhere thousands of feet above the Lonestar State when the hammer officially drops on the Longhorns or Sooners tonight (better the hammer than my plane). But if I had to guess -- and it's only a guess because I'd put my money on Oklahoma coming out a sliver ahead, earning the Big 12 Championship bid against Missouri and inspiring heroic acts of anger and anxiety throughout Texas over the next week.

This is not fair. There is no fair: As I've written before and re-emphasized after Oklahoma's win over Oklahoma State, fair is not an option here. The only fair system would include both OU and Texas. Either team is screwed by a BCS snub; I'm guessing that team is Texas not only because of Oklahoma's standing lead in the human polls and strength-of-schedule boost in beating OSU, but because of its overall resumé.

For OU and Texas, the margins of victory, strength of schedule (according to Jeff Sagarin) and opponents' winning percentages are virtually identical. What you make of this depends on your emphasis: Texas fans (obviously) are most interested in the Longhorns' head-to-head win, as they've gone to great effort and expense to demonstrate. I'm more interested -- and I think the computers are more interested -- in the number of quality wins over ranked teams and other major teams with solid (7-8 wins) records. Oklahoma's advantage here is more obvious when you look at the entire schedule:

The order and "tiers" are based on Sagarin's rankings (if you're wondering why Rice is as high as it is under Texas' schedule, ask him), but the specific order isn't remotely as important as the number of games Oklahoma has in the top tiers compared to the other two. Essentially, the difference is that, as blowout non-conference wins go, TCU and Cincinnati are significantly better than Rice and Arkansas. That's what I see, and I expect that's what the computers will see. That's it.

Of course, I have no idea because I'm not running algorithms, and I can't predict which computer numbers will be thrown out or what effect that might have. I know someone named the "BCS Guru" agrees with me for basically the same reasons. It's not right or wrong -- the fact that we have to have this argument and split these atoms is fundamentally wrong. But as long as one team has to win, Oklahoma is probably going to be that team. We'll sort through the numbers tonight in the weekly "BCS Bustin'" item.

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  1. Dennis K
    1. Posted by Dennis K Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    Margin of victory is a sad joke. Sad, because it encourages unsportmanlike behavior on the part of coaches and turns players into bad winners. I guess it also appeals to the most base of human traits: bloodthirstiness (why we like car crashes and slow to see the injured at the scene of an accident).
    Here's the difference. Mack Brown tries not to humiliate his opponents. Bob Stoops would shtup is mother for a style point. Proof? The Sooners won 5 games in which they scored more than 50 by a margin of more than 30 points. Yet, for the entire season, OUs backup QB played 32 plays -- 30 of which were passes (hardly taking the foot off the pedal). UT won 3 games in which they scored more than 50 by a margin of more than 30 points. Their backup QB played in 58 plays all season, with only 13 being passes. In Thanksgiving's win over the Aggies, Colt McCoy did NOT even play in the 4th quarter. Bradford went to the last down in their last two games, as I recall.
    Margin of victory is a joke in the UT vs OK argument because Brown is a sportsman and Stoups will do anything to confuse the issue. Oh, yeah, and hope that the voters forget the UT victory 45 - 35.
  2. professor
    2. Posted by professor Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:50 pm EDT

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    Dennis, learn how to spell and get your facts right. Bradford has sat out the 4th quarter many times and if the game is still contested, he plays. I guess when you're playing quality opponents like OU, you're going to have tougher games. Mack Brown has been campaigning as hard as anybody and Stoops did hos part once and has deflected these questions and debates when asked since then. I remember Mack Brown acting like a baby a few years back when his team was left out and you won't get that response from Stoops. Let's face it, both OU and Texas and TTech deserve to be in the Big XII championship game... like it or not.
  3. urbanlegendsrg
    3. Posted by urbanlegendsrg Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    Les Bian you are a tool
  4. johnleroi
    4. Posted by johnleroi Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:39 pm EDT

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    So, Doc, how should the Big 12 decide which team to send to the Big 12 title game?
  5. soonerfan
    5. Posted by soonerfan Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:00 pm EDT

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    Was anyone as unimpressed as I was by the unbiased commentary of ABC throughout last nights game? Then they bring Mack Brown in for his dribble!
  6. Franik
    6. Posted by Franik Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:02 pm EDT

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    Texas jumped OU in the AP polls
  7. ltownokie
    7. Posted by ltownokie Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:29 pm EDT

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    AP dosent factor in The BCS formula. to bad soo sad
  8. ltownokie
    8. Posted by ltownokie Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:29 pm EDT

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    Sooner Fan I think abc and the espn family are pushing for Texas to play because of something to do with Television ratings, just my opinion. I think they think that an OU team in the championship would hurt their precioius TV ratings. It was really disgusting how they were swingin on texas' stuff.
  9. richie
    9. Posted by richie Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:40 pm EDT

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    The BCS is not and should not be considered part of college football. Since when do we allow computers to determine the outcome of a college football game. Today's colleges are supposed to be on the cutting edge of solutions, that's why we educate our youth for the future. The BCS is not determining a solution, it's using statistics to determine outcomes and rankings. Let the teams play for a champion, thats the solution!!!!!
  10. JB
    10. Posted by JB Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:18 pm EDT

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    Dennis K, Just what planet are you living on, are you seriously going tell us about Mack and sportsmanship.
    Professor, you are exactly right, it was Mack Brown several years ago again whinning and crying to anyone who would listen.
    One question, how many times this year has Joe Paterno, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer or Pete Carrol chosen to do interviews during other peoples games to tell the nation how good they are.
    To further effectuate, how many times have Joe Paterno, Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll or Urban Meyer made bs comments/innuendo trying to diminish the victory of the team they lost to.
    Get a new excuse every week, We lost in the last second, we played 4 tough games in a row, they cheated with the clock, the referees dicked us.............
    Mack Brown is not part of the solution, hes the problem.
    Finally, game over, Stoops AND PLAYERS, take high road. The fish stinks from the head, Mack and UT are class less losers and you'll end up in the cotton where you belong. Anyplace as long as you don't cross your State line.
  11. Mark S
    11. Posted by Mark S Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:08 pm EDT

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    If Florida beats Alabama next week, could Oklahoma and Texas still be 1-2? This is going to be really hairy, and I wouldn't be surprised if we have a split champion like in 2003. Unless, of course, Alabama wins out.
  12. Ken D
    12. Posted by Ken D Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:54 pm EDT

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    As I recall Texas beat Oklahoma State by only 4 point in Austin, and Oklahoma went to Stillwater and beat Oklahoma State by 20.
  13. Credit
    13. Posted by Credit Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:34 pm EDT

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    I think you (or Sagarin) are framing this argument in such a way that it favors OU. You question the ranking of Rice so high, but don't question the ranking of TCU. Yes TCU is good, but are they better than Ok State, or Missouri or Kansas? If you want to take TCU's Sagarin ranking at face value, you should take Rice's ranking at face value.
    The question that everyone is avoiding answering is, On a neutral field, which of these three teams is most likely to go 2-0 in games against the other two? The answer is clearly Texas.
  14. HERETIC
    14. Posted by HERETIC Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:30 pm EDT

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    I am delighted to see texas ahead of oklahoma in the bcs pole. although i feel sorry for the sooner players, bob stoops deserves the worst for his running up the score on less fortunate teams. may he continue to receive his just deserves.
  15. Steve
    15. Posted by Steve Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:25 pm EDT

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    Richie: the BCS is only 1/3 decided by computers. 2/3 of it is by good old fashion human voters. You know, the ones with huge biases, short memories, and little grasp of the big picture. Though I agree with your premise: lets have a playoff. Its really the only way to decide a true national champion.
    Ken D: What, exactly, does that prove? Check the chart, there are also common opponents for which Texas has a bigger margin of victory. Of course, the only margin that should matter when comparing Texas and Oklahoma is + 10.
  16. Steve
    16. Posted by Steve Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:25 pm EDT

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    @ John P: Texas is BEHIND Oklahoma, not ahead, in all the available indicators.
  17. Jimmy J
    17. Posted by Jimmy J Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    John P..the BCS POLL isnt out yet..wont be until later. As far as Stoops..I dont know about getting his just deserves...never heard of that saying. I still dont think UT deserves to be in the title game..39 to 33...remember that one?
  18. GregC
    18. Posted by GregC Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:13 pm EDT

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    Here is the greatest irony. What if the voters finally realize that USC would *CRUSH* these high powered offense and finally start reflecting it in their rankings? Then the Big XII South teams will start crapping their pants pining for votes just to earn the #2 spot they assumed was theirs.
    Texas is BETTER OFF not playing in the Big XII South title game. All they can do is struggle in basically a road game against a dangerous opponent they have already dominated 56-31 - and it wasn't that close as most of us know. If they sit out, then OU goes up there and dominates they say "we did that too!" and "we beat OU!" the same way they are now. Anyone who argues the garbage about them not winning the Big XII is muted because the teams are equal and UT beat OU right? They would still have a shot to unseat the Sooners. Also, there is a chance Mizzou plays like Kansas did against them in bad conditions (weather update?) or heck even beats them. Miracles happen.
  19. GregC
    19. Posted by GregC Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:13 pm EDT

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    What is wrong with these voters in the AP (doesn't count) and coaches poll anyway?
    Can you tell me any time in HISTORY a team has won by 20 points ON THE ROAD against a team ranked what was it #12 and LOST VOTES? Where is the logic in that? These votes need to be made public in the coaches poll. The AP voters who pull crap like this need to lose their votes. They are the same idiots who had Oklahoma State behind Missouri in the last poll.
  20. David M
    20. Posted by David M Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:29 pm EDT

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    45 - 35 thats all that should matter. Like it or not. Stoops is a freakin cry baby. Ok has won most of the games because they have 4 to 5 recievers that are all over 6 ft tall, Great tight end and two good running backs. Texas has won just as many games with just two recievers barley 6ft tall. no tight end and no running game. Texas has done more with less and thats why they deserve it and thats also why Colt deserves the BIG award in two weeks. Good luck to both teams and to both QB's.
  21. Ian C
    21. Posted by Ian C Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:22 pm EDT

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    #18 What's wrong with it is simple. OU should have never jumped Texas in some of the human polls last week to begin with. Texas did nothing wrong and was ranked ahead of OU before. It's just that so many human pollsters broke their ankles jumping off the TTU bandwagon that they gave OU too much credit. It would be reasonable to correct this.
    The fact is that while on paper OU, TTU, and UT have the same record, it's TTU that doesn't belong in the same conversation. Given that, this really comes down to a conversation between OU and UT, and bottom line UT beat OU on a neutral field. If you don't honor the head to head matchup, you have no business Jonesing for a playoff system.
  22. jim
    22. Posted by jim Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    TEXAS-OU...however it comes out..THEY ARE BOTH GETTING SCREWED. at least both teams 1 loss was to a top 10 team. florida and usc both lost to unranked at time team. if the voters (human ) just say well one loss is one loss, thats whats not fair. losing to a high ranked team shld be worth more than losing to an unranked or low ranked team.
    jim
  23. John M H
    23. Posted by John M H Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:39 pm EDT

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    texass is going to cry thier way in,what a shame.
  24. John M H
    24. Posted by John M H Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:39 pm EDT

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    john p must be an a&m fan
  25. jim
    25. Posted by jim Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    to # 5 johnleroi: thats the prob. the big 12 passed the buck in picking THE BIG 12 CHAMPION. by using the bcs ranking to let it pick their rep.
    shame- big 12
    jim

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