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Following the weekend's conquered favorites and other notables through the stages of grief.

Denial. Nobody's denying that Charlie Weis is now responsible for both of Notre Dame's losses to Navy in the past 45 years, nor that ND's hopes for a BCS bowl have all but evaporated in the wake of the latest such upset on Saturday. But the causes for, and implications of, the loss are apparently still up for debate among members of the Irish faithful. Weis, who proudly assured the media after the game that "I never, ever change" regardless of the results on the field, may be the one in the biggest state of denial, if we can take Navy coach Ken Niumatalolo's assessment of Weis' scheme at face value:

"One thing that helped us, and I really hope this doesn't come across wrong, but I think the thing that helped us this year was last year, because we knew they'd line up the same way," Niumatalolo said.

"We had a pretty good clue that they were going to come back and do the same things as they did last year. We had a few things (planned for that defense)."

Obviously -- the Midshipmen rolled out 348 yards worth of "things" on the ground alone, with a 52-yard touchdown pass on one of their two completions. The denial extends far beyond the walls of Weis' press conferences, of course: Irish blog Brawling Hibernian, for example, is in denial about both Navy linebacker/cruise missile Ram Vela's seeming endless eligibility and the location of Jimmy Clausen's knees on the crucial goal line fumble in the third quarter that no one else is questioning. But Hibernian, along with the commenters at the ND blog Rakes of Mallow, is stone-cold sober about the high likelihood that Weis is toast after this season.

Start naming specific coaching prospects to Irish fans, though, and delusions of grandeur return in full bloom. Posters at the message board ND Nation can't seem to decide where to focus their hubristic presumption -- the idea that Urban Meyer would automatically drop everything and leave Florida for South Bend if the Irish showed even a hint of interest, or the idea that Notre Dame might actually be too good for a coach who only suspended his star linebacker for a half for eye-gouging. Irish blog Her Loyal Sons states its position on the issue rather definitively, instructing ND's fan base to "STFU about Meyer":

[T]here is not a COACH IN THE WORLD worse for ND than Urban Meyer. NOT ONE. Not Weis. Not anyone.

Iím not defending Weis here, Iím just saying STOP with the Meyer nonsense.

Not one coach in the world worse for Notre Dame? Not even Ty Willingham? At the risk of making light of Her Loyal Sons' apparent dedication to character and sportsmanship, it is the deeply considered prediction of "Profiles in Disillusion" that Notre Dame will soon be backing a semi truck full of cash up Meyer's Gainesville driveway, at which point the say effectively will be Meyer's, not ND's, as to whether he would make a suitable head coach for the Fighting Irish.

Depression. When your team begins the week ranked fourth in the BCS at 9-0 and finishes it with an injured quarterback in a home loss to unranked Northwestern, why beat around the bush? Hawkeye blog Black Heart Gold Pants went emo as early as halftime, summing up its dread with a Simple Plan song featuring the following lyrics:

So I try to hold onto a time when nothing mattered
And I canít explain what happened
And I canít erase the things that Iíve done
No I can't

How could this happen to me
I made my mistakes
Iíve got no where to run
The night goes on

At least BGHP was somewhat tongue-in-cheek about its theatrics, however. I'm not sure the same can necessarily be said of Des Moines Register columnist Sean Keeler, who apparently spent Saturday evening in deep examination of "Iowa's soul":

At 9-1, 5-1 in the league, the only thing Iowa really lost Saturday -- other than pride -- was a shot at the national championship game. Given the punditry's love for all things Florida and Texas, that was probably just a pipe dream, anyway. The rest is dangling by a thread.

Wow -- "dangling by a thread" talk and passive-aggressive potshots at the Gators and Longhorns just for good measure? That's the kind of melodrama a 15-year-old girl's diary would envy. When it starts coming from the local paper, it may be time to get Keeler on Zoloft, or at least a vacation at the end of the season.

Acceptance. Maybe this is just denial, too, but "Well, we've still got the Rose Bowl" seems to be a fairly common refrain among Oregon fans, even in the wake of their team's head-scratching 51-42 loss to Stanford. Such was the immediate postgame assessment of Duck blog Addicted to Quack, and Nick of Off the Pond alsovowed to "completely focus on the Rose Bowl," in addition to some other resolutions -- namely, to "stop caring about Iowa, TCU, Cincinnati, Boise State, Florida, Alabama and Texas," because he's "not so interested in the national picture anymore."

Understandable, but there might be a better reason, i.e. that his mental energy would be better spent focusing on Arizona State, Arizona and Oregon State down the stretch: A loss to any of those teams could mean even the precious Rose Bowl invite gets plucked from Oregon's hands, and if Stanford can drop 500-plus yards on them, the Ducks aren't a lock to beat any of them.

Anger. Displays of wrath are hardly rare in the wake of home losses to Baylor -- some might even call them justified -- but if Rock M Nation's post from early Sunday morning is any indication, some of that fan anger might have gotten a little out of hand, particularly the spleen directed at quarterback Blaine Gabbert. In response, RPT dishes out some anger of his own:

This came on the heels of several Missouri tweeters, one in particular who I refuse to link to out of principle, condemning Missouri players on Twitter, particularly Blaine Gabbert. It quickly escalated, as Derrick Washington and others had to come to the aid of their quarterback, a quarterback that has clearly earned respect and trust in the locker room (which can't be overlooked). The flamer (double meaning) even went as far as to say directly to Gabbert online, "Do you not realize that no one likes you? You single handedly ruined our season."

Before I came up with the response above, my original reaction was "Are you F*****G KIDDING ME?"

Considering that Gabbert finished the Baylor game with an efficiency rating of 148.8 and still ranks in the top 25 nationally in total offense, a staunch defense of the young quarterback seems more than justified. Perhaps Mizzou fans' derisive tweets would be better directed at the defensive coaches who permitted a Robert Griffin-less Baylor offense off four straight losses to roll up 465 yards and 40 points on the Tigers? Not that we condone anything so impolite, of course.

Elsewhere in Disillusion: And the Valley Shook can't seem to decide whether to blame LSU's loss to Alabama on the refs or on, well, LSU. ... Crimson and Cream Machine assesses Oklahoma's sinking prospects after the Sooners' flop at Nebraska and gives some grudging props to Andre Ware (oh, it burns!) in the process. ... And in the greatest obscure reference of the week, Black Shoe Diaries invokes "The Simpsons" by busting out the pretzels for Penn State's coaches in the wake of the Lions' deflating loss to Ohio State.

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  1. Ancient Chinese Secret
    1. Posted by Ancient Chinese Secret Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:37 pm EST

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    Please be careful about extrapolating the opinions and views of NDNation to all of Irish fandom. A sizeable chunk of posters on that board bemoan Weis for being stuck in an NFL mindset, crippled by his lack of college coaching experience, and for his allegedly insufferable personality. They then clamor for Gruden to come to South Bend.
    Draw your own conclusions about that group.
  2. BaseballFan
    2. Posted by BaseballFan Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:04 pm EST

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    If only Charlie Weis had kicked that field goal on 4th down & goal, ND would have won the game. Charlie, you're in no position to be a "gamblin' man" when the only luck you have is no luck at all. That missed opportunity on the field goal probably sealed your fate. Always take the points Charlie.
  3. Dave MM
    3. Posted by Dave MM Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:06 pm EST

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    If ND was smart, they would deliver that cash to the residence of one Brian Kelly.
  4. tonymason2001
    4. Posted by tonymason2001 Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:07 pm EST

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    No message board is as delusional as NDNation.
    The funny part is watching them rate teams as Tier 1 and Tier 2 and trashing the Big East and then
    getting whacked by Syracuse last year and Navy twice in three years.
    I was sorry to see the Hawkeyes lose. With Stanzi, every game was an adventure but they had a great winning streak. Without him, it could be a nightmare end to what looked like a dream season.
  5. Big Jim
    5. Posted by Big Jim Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:14 pm EST

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    Meyer would be a great fit for ND, but unless they are gonna pay him 7-10 million a year.. he ain't going. To easy to recruit in FL for UF.
  6. Ancient Chinese Secret
    6. Posted by Ancient Chinese Secret Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:21 pm EST

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    @ 4 - If I read the word "Tier" in reference to anything one more time on that board, my head is going to explode. Take a purely conjectural classification of something, anything, as belonging to a numbered Tier, add in a few corporate cliches like "best practices" and "low-hanging fruit," and you've got yourself one fine NDNation post. You'll probably get about 40 replies that just say, "Agreeance."
  7. just4funsies
    7. Posted by just4funsies Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:22 pm EST

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    Fat Charlie is just waiting around till somebody comes along who's willing to pay him by the POUND.
  8. Patrick O
    8. Posted by Patrick O Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:26 pm EST

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    Notre Dame should play for the National Championship even if they are 7-5. Touchdown Jesus and Charlie Weiss say so...(so does my mom and her Priest).
  9. PHUC NUTT/as in houston
    9. Posted by PHUC NUTT/as in houston Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:39 pm EST

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    well notre dame if anything you've gone down in "spectacular" waco - esque fashion. nothing like paying someone an absurd amount of money to coach losing season's. who wouldn't want to coach notre dame ? i would coach your team to similar record for alot less if that would help. bwahahahahahahahahahahahah !!!!!!!!
  10. FYFE
    10. Posted by FYFE Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:53 pm EST

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    ND is not going to get rid of Charlie if they cannot find someone worth replacing him for. Weis has done well recruiting, and he has put together a team that doesn't give up. Weis does take too many risks during a course of a game. You only choose to go for it on 4th and 1 if its make or break time. Not when you still have half a game left and the opportunity to get 3 pts out of it. Personally, if ND cannot stand to keep Weis one more season I think they shoudl get Lou Holtz back. Let him retire from coaching at ND. You can tell he still has it in him and he truely believes in what ND stands for. Let him build the foundation for a coach to take over. Holtz has nothing to prove, no pressure, everyone in South Bend loves him. And we all know he can recruit!
  11. mike
    11. Posted by mike Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:02 pm EST

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    Are you really citing random ND-related blogs and message boards here? A blog discussing other blogs and message boards. This reminds me of a quotation: "The bureaucracy is expanding, to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy."
    None of this has anything to do with ND's football struggles, just pointing out the utter stupidity of the blogger and his subject matter.
  12. ?
    12. Posted by ? Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:07 pm EST

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    Hey Notre Dame University...... U GET WHAT U DESERVE!!!
    U fired Ty Willingham after only 3 seasons....U didnt even give the guy a chance....his overall record was 21-15 and one of the seasons he went 8-3 and U still gave him the boot? Wow I thought Notre Dame honored their coaches contracts??? The 1st guy to have his contract canceled?? never-mind the fact that he never ever truly had the "look" that Notre Dame was trying to achieve in the 1st place at their prestigious school.
    (African American) Then U try to whooo over that smug SOB...no ethics having Urban Meyer only to get played for a fool when he decided to stay at Florida LMAO @ the Fighting Irish!
    And look at the university now.....they hired one of Bill "Beli-cheat's" former cronies and even gave the loser a 10 year contract extension?? What is his overall record As far as I'm concerned University of Notre Dame
    KARMA'S A B*TCH!!!
  13. ?
    13. Posted by ? Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:18 pm EST

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    I stand corrected.........Ty Willingham went 10-3 in one of 1his 1st 3 seasons as head coach and he took the Irish to the Gator Bowl! Meanwhile his predecessor Bob Davie went 21-16 his 1st 3 seasons and finished overall after 5 years 35-25 and the guy Notre Dame originally wanted Oleary turned out to be lying about his resume and achievements LMAO!
    Again Notre Dame....... U GET WHAT U DESERVE!
  14. Get REAL!
    14. Posted by Get REAL! Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:27 pm EST

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    With the recruiting classes that Charlie has brought to South Bend and a marked improvement from last year, i think they'll let him stay. Plus, the buy out has got to be enormous. Personally, i think he's the right guy for the job. However, if Clausen goes to the draft and Charlie has to coach a Notre Dame team with a new starting quarterback, next year could be more pain and no gain.
    Also wondering, CAN YOU REALLY CALL YOURSELF A F***ING JOURNALIST if you write a story about other people's opinions stated in blogs.
  15. smorris291
    15. Posted by smorris291 Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:31 pm EST

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    Anyone who think Clausen didn't fumble at the end of the 3rd qtr near the Navy goal-line needs to have his head examined. The ball was loose WAY before Clausen's knees hit the ground.
    As for the coaching search, I hope that if they fire Weis, the University spends more time actually researching who would be the best fit for them than the clowns on ND nation. I just LOVE the assumption that every CF coach would drop everything to coach ND anymore. Hey guys, it's no longer 1966!
  16. genius_man16
    16. Posted by genius_man16 Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:34 pm EST

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    "...Notre Dame will soon be backing a semi truck full of cash up Meyer's Gainesville driveway..."
    that comment made me lol.
  17. Leifericson
    17. Posted by Leifericson Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:49 pm EST

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    Navy is a lot better than many football fans are willing to accept.
    And it's only an upset if people don't expect it.
    I picked Navy... they have also been able to run vs Ohio state this year!
    They have one of the best running games in college football.
    I really am not a Navy fan, but they CAN play vs the top teams, and win.
    They're in the top 50, not the bottom 50.
  18. Leifericson
    18. Posted by Leifericson Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:55 pm EST

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    Sagarin has them ranked 41st...
    ND is 32nd..
    So the game could/should be close!!
  19. Monica
    19. Posted by Monica Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:55 pm EST

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    Yes, ND should take Brian Kelly before Michigan gets him.
  20. Rob
    20. Posted by Rob Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:58 pm EST

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    Notre Dame just ain't what she used to be, even a hard core Irish fan like me is willing to admit that. Hey, Phil Fulmer is looking for work and I don't think that'd be a bad choice. Couple of rough years at the Volunteers and they chuck him out like week-old meatloaf. It's just that the whole Clausen connection's got me thinkin'. Maybe Terry Bowden's up for another shot at the big time - although it's hard to imagine a good ol' boy like Bowden at home in the frigid confines of South Bend. Then there's always Mike Riley or Dave Wannstedt - both proven at being able to revive flagging programs (well, it's true the disaster Riley had to rectify was of his own making during his first inauspicious tenure at OSU). I dunno, but I do know Urban Meyer is about as likely to jump ship at Florida as Ty Willingham is to surpass Joe Paterno as all time winningest D-1 football coach.
  21. Mr. Nuff
    21. Posted by Mr. Nuff Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:00 pm EST

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    Weiss i think alot of us ND faithfull had your back, but after that game screw you buddy. You NEVER win when it counts. The play calling as always is highscool lackluster crappola. The DEFENSE is TERRIBLE!!!!! Tommy Tuberville would be a nice fit, maybe even Tommy Bowden. Anybody but you Charlie!
  22. Albert
    22. Posted by Albert Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:11 pm EST

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    I hate to break the news but ND is not appointed by God to be the one university above and better than all others where all of its players are the absolute best in the nation and most will go the NFL after winning every individual award given in college football and regardless of their record should be ranked and go to a major bowl game..................yet this has been the mindset of many sport analyst, commentators, so called experts, journalists and pollster for too many years. Considering its cheezy schedule, ND is no more than average and no where near a power house which can't be beat. What a joke! Way to go Navy for opening some eyes.
  23. The Judge
    23. Posted by The Judge Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:39 pm EST

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    Hey Hibernian and the rest of you ND punks. STFU because your team sucks and THEY will never be good enough for Urban Meyer. He has TWO National Championship rings, about to get NUMBER THREE. What do you have in South Bend? A bunch of second tier players whose win loss record reflects the fact that they SUCK. So live with the mediocrity, and give Weiss another extension and pay raise. Because as long as he's there, I can rest assured that ND will have a losing program. You people are SOOOOOOO stupid.
  24. 3for5spotshooter
    24. Posted by 3for5spotshooter Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:45 pm EST

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    Where have you been? Under a rock? Meyer turned down ND when he left Utah. What's his incentive for the cold climate and 4 year graduates and a tough academic institution? He turned them down once and it would only be a bargaining chip with Florida for even more cash.... ND is now the Pittsburg of the independents. Play Harvard and Dartmouth and look back at the 1930s and the glory of playing Army. ND is all done...past history....out.
  25. Tonyboy
    25. Posted by Tonyboy Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:52 pm EST

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    I don't feel sorry for Weis. He is a pompous ass who thinks he's a better coach than he is. Just like all the other Belichick cronies (except McDaniels, for now) he is a failure as a head coach. I'm not sure anyone can contend for a national championship at Notre Dame in this era. If they want to contend they will have to lower admissions standards for players. If not, get used to mediocrity.

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