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Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:39 am EST

Pollin': No surprises.

Florida is the mythical champion. Some of us knew it all along.

Other than the very top, of course, the AP poll mystery I was most looking forward to today was the placement of BYU, because it's crucial to informing the top: I don't think the Cougars belong anywhere near the polls, personally, with a marquee win over Air Force, but they sneak in at No. 25, anyway, and at No. 21 in the Coach's poll. That means Utah can proudly claim victories over four ranked teams -- two in the final top seven -- instead of only three. I'm not necessarily destined to rank the Utes No. 1 on my year-end ballot (a draft should be up later today), but I am pretty confident than the same resumé with a different logo on the helmet would have met with far more approval. 

Not that it matters: Florida, as expected, brought in three times as many votes as the Utes, whose pluck, perfection and politicking earned them only 16 first-place nods from the writers. Utah thereby finishes a very respectable No. 2 in the media ballot, though only fourth by USA Today, despite the efforts of a single, lonely coach who broke ranks to vote the Utes No. 1 (thanks, Coach Whittingham).

Speaking of which, Mack Brown apparently backed down on his post-Fiesta Bowl promise to cast his top vote for the Longhorns: Texas did not receive a first place vote from the coaches or writers. The Horns do, however, finish ahead of Oklahoma, which dropped to fifth in both polls following its loss to the Gators, and that's a fine consolation prize.

Other notes on the final polls:

  Texas Tech is dissed at No. 12 by coaches and writers alike, far behind their 11-2 peers Alabama (No. 6 in both polls), TCU (7th) and Penn State (8th), as well as two teams (Ohio State and Oregon) that finished with worse records and no wins even approaching the value of the Raiders' takedown of Texas. Which just, you know, beat Ohio State, by the way. The coaches (although not the writers) also rank Georgia ahead of the Raiders, at No. 11.

Ohio State finished 10-3, with all three losses to teams in the final top eight, but beat one team in the final poll (No. 24 Michigan State, hooray) and only one other team (Northwestern) that even received a vote. The Spartans double as the best win on Georgia's ledger. Texas Tech had a better record than both, wins over two teams in both polls' top-20 (Texas and Oklahoma State) and over another two teams (Nebraska and Kansas) that received votes. Its resumé is arguably the most impressive of any two-loss team below Oklahoma, and Alabama and Penn State (which have only one win apiece over a top-20 opponent) both lost bowl games in convincing fashion, too. What is the difference?

No. 10 Oregon, at 10-3, finishes one spot ahead of Boise State, 12-1, by whom the Ducks were defeated at home in September. The coaches rank 10-4 Missouri two spots ahead of 9-4 Oklahoma State, to whom the Tigers were defeated at home in October. Both polls rank 9-4 Michigan State No. 24, one spot in the Coach's poll and two spots in the AP ahead of 9-4 California, by whom the Spartans were defeated in August. No editorial comment, just noting.

Besides Texas Tech, the other egregious snub is 9-4 Iowa, which finishes No. 20 in both polls despite winning six of its last seven with a top-10 win over Penn State, a claim 9-4 Missouri, Oklahoma State and Virginia Tech can't even begin to match. Yet the Tigers, Cowboys and Hokies are all ahead of the Hawkeyes according to both votes. Tech, I understand, as a conference champion with a decent number of quality wins (middling quality wins, coming from the ACC, but quality wins nonetheless). But Missouri and Oklahoma State? For beating who, exactly? That just seems lazy.

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  1. nyr
    1. Posted by nyr Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    Not a gator fan ....but good for Tebow
  2. IDGAD
    2. Posted by IDGAD Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:27 pm EDT

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    Lucy K has likely made the most useful comment you'll see hear!
  3. sycasey
    3. Posted by sycasey Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:52 pm EDT

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    Michigan State ranking over Cal in both polls is a great example of laziness. Same record (9-4), Cal beat MSU and has more impressive wins (Oregon, MSU) than the Spartans do (Iowa, Northwestern). Finally, MSU was blown out twice by 30+ against Ohio State and Penn State, but Cal did not lose by more than 15 to anyone.
  4. Forty
    4. Posted by Forty Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:18 pm EDT

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    Utes would have beaten both OU and Florida.......OU's mistake was not running a true no-huddle hurry-up offense....they kept stalling at the line looking for plays from the side line, which allowed the florida defense to get set. Everytime OU ran back to back plays without stopping to look at the sideline....they had Florida on their heels.
    Utes ran a true no huudle against Bama and beat them convincingly. Also the Utes defense was way better than provided a lot of pressure up front on Bama and well timed blitzes. In my opinion the Utes should be champs.....in this current BCS system, a non-BCS conference team could win 80 games in a row including wins over BCS conference teams and still never play for a national championship. Oh i forgot, unless that team is Notre Dame. Which is the whole reason for the one "at large bid," anyway. The BCS in a monopoly designed to only give the national championship to those BCS conference schools or Notre Dame.
  5. LongTrans
    5. Posted by LongTrans Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:54 pm EDT

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    Ou still sucks!
  6. conor b
    6. Posted by conor b Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:29 pm EDT

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    Oregon only lost to Boise because they knocked our third thring QB out of the game with a very dirty hit, so we had to revert to using a freshman WR to play QB, and proceeded to not throw more than 3 passes in the whole 2nd half.
  7. J B
    7. Posted by J B Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    "Alabama and Penn State (which have only one win apiece over a top-20 opponent)"
    Um... Alabama has two wins against teams in the top 20 - Mississippi and Georgia - if you're using the Coaches' or AP polls . Two teams in the top 15, for that matter... and though you are certainly correct that they lost their bowl game in a convincing fashion (excruciatingly so) it helps that their two losses are to #1 and #2, teams with a combined 26-1 record, one of whom is a national champ, and the other of whom would have been in that game (or at least had a chance to be in it via a playoff) in a sane world. Though I can think of a number of teams that would challenge/outright beat Alabama that are ranked below them, in terms of resume I can't see Tech as being significantly more impressive.
    TT, meanwhile, did lose only two games... but they also gave up 65 to a team that just last night got held to 14 points. Things like that linger with people.
  8. LAVORIC A
    8. Posted by LAVORIC A Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    Will someome tell the pac10, big10 and the big 12 that the champ is in the SEC. SUCKER
  9. M B
    9. Posted by M B Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:12 pm EDT

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    who cares???????? is it september yet??????????
  10. CuseFanInSoCal
    10. Posted by CuseFanInSoCal Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:48 pm EDT

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    The MWC and Pac 10 reject your foolish AP and Coaches' Polls, in favor of crowning undefeated teams (Utah) or the actual best team (USC).
  11. Clam
    11. Posted by Clam Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:57 pm EDT

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    Mississippi should have been ranked higher based on their victory over the national champs and should have swithched places with Texas Tech. Missouri has quality wins over exactly nobody. BYU beat everyone on their schedule, as did Utah with a similar conference schedule, but lost to the 2nd and 7th place teams on the road therefore its not unreasonable to place then at 25. Cal is a much better team than the final poll results indicated.
  12. Delilah
    12. Posted by Delilah Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:28 pm EDT

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    I am so proud to be a Gator fan and i am so happy that they are finally Number 1. They worked too hard not to be, but they NAACF should definitely set up a playoff part of the season bcause UTAH was perfect, but since their division isn't all that great they weren't respected as much as that is disappointing. Next Year, maybe they'll change it but, until they GO GATORS!!!
  13. KFD07
    13. Posted by KFD07 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:46 pm EDT

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    Just goes to show that you don't have to know crap to vote! A;mazing how USC ogt no love for their schedule all year long yet in the end they played just as many ranked teams as the other top school, and even more than the so called champion Gators! Thats right look it up people FIVE top 25 teams played this season!
  14. peabird15
    14. Posted by peabird15 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:05 pm EDT

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    USC fans can cry like nobody I have ever seen! Utah has a gripe...but don't fool yourself Utah fans, you would get owned by UF!
    So....just for the record....UF, #1 in the BCS and all other polls...just that simple!
  15. Jason H
    15. Posted by Jason H Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    KFD07...Florida played 5 ranked teams...you idiot.
  16. Nude B
    16. Posted by Nude B Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:42 pm EDT

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    If OK was in the SEC I believe they would probably be the 4th best team in the SEC - West. No conference compares to the SEC. If Utah played in the SEC they would have lost to the likes of Alabama and Florida and would have had at least two losses before the end of the regular season and would not have placed in the top 10. Come on give me a break.
  17. klr1001
    17. Posted by klr1001 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    Congrats to Florida, great season. Unfortunately all this does is show everyone that no matter how good your team is and how good their conference is in any given year, if you're not part of a BCS conference then you have no shot whatsoever at a national title. Utah played a solid schedule this year in a solid conference with wins against 4 top 25 teams including 2 in the top 10 and still get no shot despite winning every game (and being the only team to do so). I understand to some extent the slight against Boise St this year. The WAC was down and they played a weak schedule. This was not the case with Utah. They deserved a shot and their schedule backed it up, but because they play in the MWC, even though it was a good conference this year, they still continue to get overlooked because of it. And they always will.
  18. Clay L
    18. Posted by Clay L Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:28 pm EDT

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    Why is Texas Tech ranked above Mississippi, they lost!
  19. penlow99
    19. Posted by penlow99 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:06 pm EDT

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    Tech not getting enough respect? I think FL proved that no defense existed (other than OU) in the Big 12! Going 11-2 in the Big 12 is not all that great when you think about it now. And who really got screwed in the rankings? How about the team that beat Florida AND Texas Tech this year, getting ranked behind Tech. OLE MISS! Just goes to show that playing in the SEC actually is as hard as it looks!
  20. Nude B
    20. Posted by Nude B Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:42 pm EDT

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    Knowbody but Florida played and beat the number one team in the country back to back this year and won.
  21. Justin V
    21. Posted by Justin V Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:37 pm EDT

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    kfd07, usc played 4 top 25 teams, not five, and the fourth and final ranked team usc played was not until the rose bowl, so y don't you look that up, and florida played one more ranked team than usc did....wow arent you making yourself look like [profane]stick
  22. Justin V
    22. Posted by Justin V Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:37 pm EDT

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    and what was good about the mountain west...okay so utah and tcu had good seasons, but airforce and byu were very average teams. good conference....right? how about an underacheiving conference
  23. elquixotian
    23. Posted by elquixotian Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:53 pm EDT

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    Here's to including the MWC as an automatic bid conference, if their good year(s) meets whatever formula the BCS uses in their periodical review (we'll see if Big 11 stays in) but the gripe isn't valid. Long before the BCS, BYU had been outpolled by teams with worse records. The issue isn't whether the bid is automatic...Utah DID get into one of the major bowls, and DID beat an SEC team which was undefeated it's regular season. (though I'm not sure how Nude B thinks Utah would lose to Alabama earlier in the year)....But the final ranking depends on the biased votes of the east and south, with some computerized number crunching to boot. So whether you're automatic or not, getting into the plus none championship depends on things that can screw anyone of of having a shot bu virtue of not-enough-quality wins.
  24. klr1001
    24. Posted by klr1001 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    Hey dumbass, let's try reading and counting shall we. I said "Utah played a solid schedule this year in a solid conference with wins against 4 top 25 teams including 2 in the top 10." Now let's count, (7) TCU- that's 1, (18) Oregon St- that would be 2, (25) BYU- hmmm that looks to be three there, and of course (6) Alabama makes 4. Also the MWC was ranked 3rd or 4th this year depending on who you source. Do we understand now Justin or do you need me to draw you some pictures too?
  25. Trigg
    25. Posted by Trigg Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    I have to disagree...#1 OU hung 65 points on them, #2 they played a weak non-conference, and #3 - Ole Miss wooped them. To me that equals a lot lower ranking. I also think Alabama should have been ranked alot lower and your point about Ohio State's losses to all top ranked teams means they must be a pretty good team.

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