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It is September, and earnest poll-gazing is premature, to say the least. But a month into the season, is it too much to ask the AP, coaches and Harris polls reflect the slightest shred of common sense?

LSU is No. 4. Because ... ? The Tigers are not only playing mediocre football right now, going to the wire to beat Washington and Mississippi State on either end of ho-hum wins over Vanderbilt and Louisiana-Lafayette, but they don't even have that much inertia in their favor: This was an 8-5 team that had to stage a frantic comeback against Troy to fend off a full-fledged, four-game November slide last year, had a losing conference record and didn't even make it into the final top 25. This year, the Tiger offense currently ranks 105th nationally and needed an interception return, a punt return and a goal line stand to get out of Starkville unscathed.

How does a statistically average team with no particularly impressive wins to offset two extremely sketchy ones, coming off a thoroughly mediocre season, land in everyone's top five? Is anyone paying attention?

Oklahoma is No. 8. Because ... ? Those are some impressive wins over Idaho State and, uh, Tulsa. But until further notice (i.e. this Saturday's game at Miami), the Sooners should be defined mainly right now by their loss to BYU; they rank at least 10 positions ahead of the Cougars in all three polls, and I can't think of any persuasive argument based on anything that's happened on the field that they should be even one spot ahead.

The coaches rank Oklahoma State ahead of Houston. Obviously they weren't very impressed by the Cougars' win against Texas Tech, nor the Cougars' win at -- Who was that again? Oh, right -- Oklahoma State. Tulsa: That's where ya make yer move, kids.

The coaches and Harris polls rank Penn State ahead of Iowa. One-loss Penn State, which has beaten Akron, Syracuse and Temple in State College, is No. 13 in the coaches' ballots; undefeated Iowa, which has beaten Penn State in State College, is No. 17. They're No. 12 and No. 14, respectively, in the Harris Poll.

The coaches and Harris rank Cal ahead of Oregon. The coaches and/or the SIDs filling out their ballots clearly do not care about the results of actual games. These people determine two-thirds of the final BCS standings, folks.

All three polls rank Ole Miss ahead of South Carolina. The demons of inertia strike again. Carolina not only thoroughly outplayed Ole Miss in a convincing win last Thursday, but also has two other wins (over N.C. State and Florida Atlantic) better than either of the Rebels' two victories (over Memphis and Southeast Louisiana). Hell, I'd take the Gamecocks' last-second loss at Georgia over beating Memphis and Southeast Louisiana, too, but I've always been too interested in obscure details like "quality of opponents." The 3-1 Gamecocks don't appear in any of the polls.

Kansas State has two points in the Harris Poll. Somebody is either very good buddies with Bill Snyder or very impressed with the 2-2 Wildcats' victories over I-AA UMass and Tennessee Tech.

Okay, so you had a bad week, filled the form a little hastily, misread a final score or two. There's always next week to turn things around. One ballot at a time, gentlemen. One ballot at a time.

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  1. DanielS
    1. Posted by DanielS Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:20 pm EDT

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    This is my biggest pet peeve right now in college football. I didn't think anything could irritate me this much.
    LSU are the worst No. 4 team that I can remember (I may have selective memory on that one). What have they done on the field to justify being ranked ahead of Iowa or Houston?
    It's a joke. Every voter should have their votes made public and pressure put on them to resign as voters if they're clearly clueless.
    Even stuff like ranking Florida No.1 after week 1 made me angry - they beat an FCS team, while Alabama beat Virginia Tech - somehow Florida's victory was more impressive. That MGoBlog poll that you post every week is the only legitimate poll in college football.
  2. timothy
    2. Posted by timothy Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:25 pm EDT

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    Lsu is no.4 because based on information given to those who vote, that is where they should be. playing good against teams from other conferences, is a step down, if you are not in the sec. i look around and do not see anyone else, so let lsu enjoy their week at no.4. they climb or they may fall, let us hope they make quick recovery like the trojans.
  3. John
    3. Posted by John Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:26 pm EDT

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    Iowa nearly lost to Northern Iowa. So, LSU didn't do that. That's one positive right?
    Really, outside of the Top 3, who should be #4? There's very little there at that point. Virginia Tech is my choice, and that's a little sketchy.
  4. John
    4. Posted by John Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:26 pm EDT

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    Iowa nearly lost to Northern Iowa. So, LSU didn't do that. That's one positive right?
    Really, outside of the Top 3, who should be #4? There's very little there at that point. Virginia Tech is my choice, and that's a little sketchy.
  5. timothy
    5. Posted by timothy Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:32 pm EDT

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    You put Mississippi State or Vandy in any other conference and they win their conference 66% of the time. It is tough in the SEC.
  6. timothy
    6. Posted by timothy Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:38 pm EDT

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    Clueless, is thinking anyone undefeated in any other conference should be ranked higher than a 1 loss team in the SEC.
  7. Ed E
    7. Posted by Ed E Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:48 pm EDT

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    I can't believe that some of you are defending LSU at #4. THey are not that good. Now they are undefeated...so give them there due. They will fall this year...2-3 times i imagine.
    BTW...if you think VT is the best one loss team, then where is Oregon????
    #6 VT - loss to #5 beat #9 and #19
    #25 OR - loss to #5 beat #6 and #16.....hmmmmmm looks similar to VT but a bit better!!!
    #8 OU - loss to #20 beat NO ONE!!!
    #7 USC - loss to NO ONE beat #8 OSU
    #9 OSU - Loss to #3 USC beat NO ONE!!!!
    VT deserves to be ranked highly.....SO DOES OREGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Coaches Poll is the joke of college football, period. Harris is almost as bad!
  8. Ed E
    8. Posted by Ed E Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:49 pm EDT

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    I can't believe that some of you are defending LSU at #4. THey are not that good. Now they are undefeated...so give them there due. They will fall this year...2-3 times i imagine.
    BTW...if you think VT is the best one loss team, then where is Oregon????
    #6 VT - loss to #5 beat #9 and #19
    #25 OR - loss to #5 beat #6 and #16.....hmmmmmm looks similar to VT but a bit better!!!
    #8 OU - loss to #20 beat NO ONE!!!
    #7 USC - loss to NO ONE beat #8 OSU
    #9 OSU - Loss to #3 USC beat NO ONE!!!!
    VT deserves to be ranked highly.....SO DOES OREGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Coaches Poll is the joke of college football, period. Harris is almost as bad!
  9. Cory
    9. Posted by Cory Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:52 pm EDT

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    Although a lot of Tech fans helped make it a record-setting crowd for Houston...they definitely did not play AT Texas Tech as stated in the article.
  10. DanielS
    10. Posted by DanielS Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:46 pm EDT

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    My annoyance at LSU being number 4 is the fact that they have shown me nothing that impressive so far. Iowa, Boise State, Houston, Auburn, TCU, Cincinnati, Kansas, South Florida, Wisconsin, Missouri, Michigan, UCLA are all unbeaten. LSU, based SOLELY on the last four Saturdays, are not better than half of those teams. They may get better as the season goes on. If they do, move them up. Until then, they should not be number 4.
    I don't see a legitimate reason as to why they are so much higher than the other unbeatens, other than the fact that they have a reputation as a football powerhouse?
  11. Andrew
    11. Posted by Andrew Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:49 pm EDT

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    @ Ed E...
    Fyi, #7 USC lost to unranked Washington. Mild upset, if you recall. Larger point is taken, though.
  12. timothy
    12. Posted by timothy Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:51 pm EDT

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    Hey Cory, wrong blog. GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hey Ed, LSU has an OK defense themselves. You guessed it. GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  13. timothy
    13. Posted by timothy Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:57 pm EDT

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    Dan My Man, Good point in all that article you wrote, Auburn may take to the high road if LSU looses. Just to be knocked down again.
  14. Matthew
    14. Posted by Matthew Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:01 pm EDT

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    Strolling down the field in short gains despite trailing by 15 points, and scoring a touchdown AS TIME EXPIRES does not a "down to the wire" game make, any way you slice it.
    Allowing the garbage touchdown does not a No. 4 team make, either, but we should counter that wrong idea with right ideas, not with other wrong ideas.
  15. Tim
    15. Posted by Tim Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:01 pm EDT

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    They are ranked this way to manufacture upsets and buzz in the media when teams inevitably win/lose outside of their ranking.
    To Oklahoma's credit, they've given up 14 points in 3 games. Even better than Florida's championship defense at the start of this year. We'll see if Miami can poke some holes in it.
  16. ess-eee-seee
    16. Posted by ess-eee-seee Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:03 pm EDT

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    Timothy, you are a little too excited. Vandy would win the Sun Belt and MAC. That's it. They aren't beating Boise State, and they'd pick up multiple losses in every other conference. Though they're making strides under Mullen, I think Mississippi State is still down there with Vandy, but they at least get a chance to prove otherwise when they play Houston.
    If either team beats GT this year, we'll talk.
  17. Reepicheep
    17. Posted by Reepicheep Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:22 pm EDT

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    Yeah, Oregon and Iowa really got shafted. But let's be honest: the polls are meaningless right now. Their only purpose is for hyping up games. Everything will come out in the wash.
  18. BILLYSYL
    18. Posted by BILLYSYL Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:36 pm EDT

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    vandy or msu winning ANY conference is um AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
  19. Eric
    19. Posted by Eric Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:37 pm EDT

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    i agree, LSU is overrated at 4, but to characterize their win over washington as "down to the wire" is misleading since washington scored with no time left to cut it to 31-23.
  20. BILLYSYL
    20. Posted by BILLYSYL Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:41 pm EDT

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    good thing these polls decide the bcs..if not the SEC fans couldn't sit around claiming dominance.
  21. Warner
    21. Posted by Warner Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:13 pm EDT

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    Are the pollsters making some kind of intentional statement in favor of a playoff? What if the pollsters all got together and said screw it, we're turning in the most ridiculous polls we can to show how much garbage the system is. Obviously, theres negative 1 billion percent chance of that....but I'm trying to think of some reason to think these people aren't this dumb.
  22. Joe
    22. Posted by Joe Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:25 pm EDT

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    all i have to say is lsu is not that good,and wat i really cant believe is usc is ranked higher than some teams with one lose to a ranked opponent like oklahoma vs byu at least byu was ranked at the time....... oooooo and the hottest team i think is alabama,and im not a tide fan but just telling it like it is. but usc should not be ranked that high they suk
  23. timothy
    23. Posted by timothy Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:22 am EDT

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    who is boise state and how man national championships do they have? what conference plays for the national championship every year? if you cant figure it out i will tell you tomorrow
  24. Christiane
    24. Posted by Christiane Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:17 am EDT

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    Yeah these polls are awful. Despite being a Florida fan, I think Bama should be ranked 1 based on the quality of their wins. And South Carolina ought to be in the top 25 in addition to the obvious errors mentioned in the article.
  25. Marc
    25. Posted by Marc Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:31 am EDT

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    Here is a thinking man's top-25. If you base 60% off of objective observations and 40% off of subjective strength
    1. Alabama great resume and a very strong all around team
    2. Texas Resume needs work, but not bad
    3. UF Ut and UF are very close right now. very, very slight edge to Texas right now
    4. Iowa say what you want but a convincing road win over Penn St and a convincing home win over Arizona put them here. I can look over a single aberration, if the body of work warrants it.
    5. Virginia Tech. Tough, they have 2 very high quality wins in Nebraska and Miami, but both were at home so that diminishes them a bit. Lost to Alabama in Atlanta, but Bama is my #1 team so that loss can't hurt so much in the rankings. Especially since they hung tough for a good while.
    6. LSU win over UW is still considered a good win as it was on the road, are currently undefeated. Good road test at Georgia this week
    7. Georgia, win over South Carolina looks better now, wins over ASU and Arkansas are strong as well
    8. USC very strong win on the road over Ohio st
    9. Ohio St Lost at home, but followed that up with back to back shutout victories
    10. Boise St. The Oregon we saw today was not the Oregon Bose played. That is not Boise's fault though
    11. Cincinnatti Pike is the real deal at QB, nice win over Fresno St and a nice win in Corvallis
    12. Houston. Road win over Okie St and home win over Texas Tech
    13. TCU Nice road win @Clemson
    14. Auburn blew out Mississippi St. beat West Virgnia, but still a tough team to get a handle on
    15. South Carolina. Lost a close one to Georgia, but the win over NC State looks better, and of course the win over Ole Miss
    16. Oregon. Dominating win over CAL, and a nice home win over Utah. Only loss is on the blue turf
    17. Oklahoma Not much in the resume dept, but a talented team nontheless
    18 CAL Got smoked on the road today, but has otherwise looked very, very strong. I expect a much better performance at home next week Road win @ Minnessota still counts as a quality win
    19. Nebraska Has dominated bad opponents and lost a heartbreaker on the road in Blacksburgh
    20. Michigan nice home win over Notre Dame, but I want to see you play on the road
    21. Missouri not much in the way of a resume at all
    22. Miami were beaten bad on the road today
    23. Okie St nice home win over Georgia, but nothing else
    24 Georgia Tech. Tough road loss at Miami, but have a couple of solid wins as weel
    25. Stanford. Tough road loss @ Wake Forest, though the officiating was as much at fault. Dominating home win over UW

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