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I'm hesitant to acknowledge it all, but since it's out there, I'd just like to take the opportunity to point out that this is not real:

In college football recruiting today, it's never too early. The entire process has been accelerated. It's so fast that one young star in Fairburn, Georgia, has decided where to play his college football even though he hasn't played a down of high school football yet.

His name is Evan Berry and he's the younger brother of Tennessee safety Eric Berry. Evan Berry said Monday that he has decided to follow in his brother and father's footsteps and play for the Volunteers.

"Yes, I committed to Tennessee," Evan said. "It's the only college I know right now and it seems the best for me. My dad went there and my brother is there now. I know I can do the same things there. I have a real friendly relationship with the coaches there. I know I don't know them too well but I know I will have plenty of time to get to know them.

"I want to play in the secondary and I want to play for coach (Monte) Kiffin."

Monte Kiffin (above, with Eric Berry) is 69 years old. He makes a million dollars as a coordinator. Even if Lane Kiffin is still in Knoxville when Evan is eligible to sign in five years -- a risky bet, maybe even if he wins -- Monte's interests are going to increasingly include "Wheel of Fortune" and "the couch."

But even that is to concede that this "commitment" actually exists, which it does not, and cannot, because the concept of a 13-year-old who has yet to step on a high school field "committing" to an "offer" is beyond the reach of the term "accelerated"; it's beyond the reach of language, really. Where it relates to a 13-year-old who has yet to step on a high school field, even a particularly well-connected 13-year-old with good genes and an obviously bright future, the terms "offer" and "commitment" have no meaning. "Recruiting," in the sense that coaches are aware of him at all and might be interested in scouting him, eventually, when there's something to scout, remains a very nebulous concept. Eighth graders do not yet exist in that realm.

It's not just that the rules in this case cloud the already murky recruiting rhetoric beyond recognition -- schools can't submit "official" offers until Sept. 1 of a player's junior year in high school (still more than three years away for Evan Berry), and neither school nor recruit is bound to an "offer" or a "commitment" until there's an actual signature on signing day (still four-and-a-half years away for Evan Berry) -- or that any teenage kid is likely to change his mind on a near-weekly basis between the ages of 13 and 18 (again, if the coaches don't change their minds, or their addresses), or that Berry has no grades; not good grades or bad grades, but, where a university is concerned, no grades. The absurdity is less practical than any of that, in that the usual language here is not even applicable: By any definition of the word as it's used in recruiting, there can be no such thing as a "commitment" by a 13-year-old. It's a contradiction in terms, like a four-sided triangle or something. He wants to go to Tennessee. He plans to go to Tennessee, eventually. But he cannot be "committed" to go to Tennessee. It's debatable whether a middle-schooler can even be "committed" to playing football at all.

So Evan Berry is not committed to Tennessee. That is all. You may now return to your regularly scheduled message board stalking.

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  1. Joey
    1. Posted by Joey Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:40 pm EDT

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    "Yes, I committed to Tennessee," Evan said.
    Calling the kid a liar, huh? Nice.
  2. Gookie
    2. Posted by Gookie Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:01 pm EDT

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    Really---The kid can committ o anything he wants. Until he breaks that commitment, or if he breaks it, then it is what it is: a commitment
  3. R C
    3. Posted by R C Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:13 pm EDT

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    Calling something a commitment doesn't make it a commitment, morons.
  4. Cousinjeb
    4. Posted by Cousinjeb Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:31 pm EDT

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    Bravo!
  5. Brandon
    5. Posted by Brandon Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:02 pm EDT

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    Monte needs to 'commit' to keeping those legs hidden underneath slacks.
  6. PaulT
    6. Posted by PaulT Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:03 pm EDT

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    You know, I was inclined to think the people saying you were an SEC apologist were blowing smoke, but this is kind of obvious. The kid SAYS he commited to Tennessee. There are a million ways to say you "would eventually like to go" to a college. One of them is not "I commited [to the college]". Presumably, being the younger brother of a major NCAA football star, the young man is familiar with the process, knows what a commitment means in this context - and said it anyway.
    Meanwhile you are going on technicalities. "Well he can't technically be commited..." Well no duh. That's not the question. The question is, have the two sides spoken at all, in such a way as to make this kid think he could say this and have it mean anything to anybody? That is the question here. Obviously he's not technically commited to Tennessee (although, let's be honest here - plenty of kids commit before the class previous to them has had its signing day - these are 16 year olds - do you say their commitments aren't real? they're listed on sites like Rivals and Scout as having commited), but he may well be a verbal commit.
    Your thinking it's ludicrous has no bearing on whether or not it's true. It just means Kiffen is as big a scumbag as he seems to be. Report that, not this weak apologist tea.
  7. JSR
    7. Posted by JSR Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:09 pm EDT

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    what the hell is up with the author's title for that rivals article you linked?
    Jamie Newberg is the "Special to" for VolQuest.com.
    maybe that writer is goes to the same middle school as Evan Berry, if so, he has a pretty solid grasp of the inverted pyramid.
  8. Cry Into the Pillow
    8. Posted by Cry Into the Pillow Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:22 pm EDT

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    Chris Leak "committed" to Wake Forest (Jim Caldwell was coach) as an 8th grader, I believe. Nothing to see here, please disperse.
  9. utchuckd
    9. Posted by utchuckd Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    Hell I committed to play for UT too when I was in school, but they never offered me a scholly, does that count too?
  10. PaulT
    10. Posted by PaulT Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    Hinton should do some reporting and find out what contact Tennessee's coaching staff has had with the kid. It's unlikely he's gotten (or would even be allowed to get) a scholarship offer, but a verbal offer? Could be.
    I will say that the headline and the blurb or whatever on the main page of Yahoo is very misleading, and flat out wrong. But that's your own website, Matt, it's the site that's paying you money. So I mean - ya know? It's your own site saying it. I've often wondered who is the chimp that plays editor for the yahoo main page.
  11. PaulT
    11. Posted by PaulT Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:23 pm EDT

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    utchuckd, was your brother also a star defensive back for Tennessee at the time? Were you also likely to have had numerous opportunities to meet and talk to the Tenn. coaching staff?
  12. PaulT
    12. Posted by PaulT Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:22 pm EDT

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    How do you know they didn't give him a verbal scholarship offer, or in some way lead him to believe he could 'commit' to them right now? No one has posted any proof that that is not the case. Hinton's whole post is just generic denials that a kid could be technically offered a scholarship. No one seems to have done the very basic journalism work that would make it clear one way or the other.
  13. R C
    13. Posted by R C Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:48 pm EDT

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    Silverking, by your logic if Yahoo was to report that USC had offered scholarships to the entire population of Sri Lanka it would be up to other people to prove that it didn't happen, that seems like a good approach.
    How about Yahoo actually provides some sort f proof that an offer did happen, you know, considering that they are trying to be in the news business and all.
  14. PaulT
    14. Posted by PaulT Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:02 pm EDT

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    No, because that would be a ridiculous, outlandish statement. Considering the major NCAA recruiting world, it is NOT that outlandish to think the 13 year old brother of a stud Tennessee player has been, formally or informally, offered a scholarship. Especially when the kid SAYS he commited! I mean it's not like Yahoo invented the quote. The kid SAID he commited. Without the quote, you'd have a point. But considering he said he commited, considering what we know about the nature of big time recruiting, and Lane Kiffen, and considering Eric Berry's status with the Vols makes it likely the little bro would have been able to talk to the coaching staff there, would know them - yea I think it's on Hinton (or whoever) to disprove the thing. Not on Yahoo to prove the thing. The quote and the rest of what we know makes it likely enough.
  15. R C
    15. Posted by R C Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:20 pm EDT

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    This just, Harbid Singh of Mumbai has accepted a scholarship offer from Ohio State. "I accept" said Singh.
    If you don't believe that this happened it's on you to disprove it. Otherwise, it's true.
    Your failure of logic explains why the media finds it so easy to make stuff up and get away with. Most of the country thinks like you, 'they don't have to prove what they report, it must be true. If you don't believe it show me why it's not true'. Total ass-backwards idiocy.
  16. PaulT
    16. Posted by PaulT Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:02 pm EDT

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    Is Harbid Singh the younger brother of a stud player on Ohio State? Is he likely to
    1) Be tremendously talented, such that evaluators can tell he's gifted even at 13
    2) Be, due to his brother being a stud at Ohio State, in easy contact with the coaching staff at Ohio State
    How are you not getting this? It's kind of a big difference. You can complain about my logic all you want, but not in such a (willfully) illogical response as that.
  17. R C
    17. Posted by R C Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:17 pm EDT

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    Your logic is so clearly flawed that the only thing that does it justice is an illogical response.
    The claim is that Tennessee OFFERED him a scholarship, yet there's not a single ounce of proof that any offer was ever made. I don't care what kind of circumstances there are, the media reporting a story shouldn't have to be proven wrong, they should provide the proof. Heck, if this is the standard we're holding the media too they might as well make up a story about every single little brother of an NCAA athlete accepting a scholarship offer, apparently that's all it takes to be accepted as truth around here.
  18. r
    18. Posted by r Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:00 am EDT

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    Kiffin makes Phil Fulmer look better everyday...
  19. Thom
    19. Posted by Thom Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:00 am EDT

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    Didn't JayPa commit to Penn State when he was like 4 or 5?

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