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When the great mystery behind the players-only meeting with administration and subsequent investigation into "concerns" about Kansas coach Mark Mangino turned out to be a complaint by a senior linebacker that Mangino had poked him in the chest and been an all-around meanie during a practice earlier this season, you could almost hear the old-schoolers scoffing in unison. "Poked in the chest? Bryant had the starting tackles hold us down while he kicked dirt down our throat! Lombardi made us eat our own thumbs! They made me the man I am today!" Coaches have always been known as one part sadistic drill sergeant, one part nurturing father, and for his part, Mangino maintains he did nothing inappropriate.

The issues in Mangino's case seems to be a) This isn't 1964, and b) He seems to have missed the "nurturing father" element of the equation, according to a growing chorus of former players and parents who connect a pattern of verbal abuse over his nearly decade-long tenure. For example (emphasis added):

One story involved former Kansas wide receiver Raymond Brown during preseason practices. Brown's brother had recently been shot and was recovering in St. Louis. When players were asked during a meeting to describe their commitment to the team, Brown stood up and told his teammates and coaches about the incident. Brown said he was trying to get the message across that life was too short to waste. Shortly after in practice, Mangino and Brown got into a confrontation on the practice field.

"Don't yes sir me, or I will send you back to St. Louis so you can get shot with your homies," Brown remembers Mangino saying.

Brown said he looked around at other players and coaches, all shocked at what Mangino had just said. "We tell him all that as personal stuff, but he uses that to break down his players," Brown said. "It's not a motivational tool, it makes you not even want to play for him."

The Brown incident wasn't an isolated one. Other players recall Mangino mocking their religion, pointing out a player's alcoholic father or terminally ill relative as a way to push the team's buttons.

The allegations extend to Mangino putting his hands on an assistant coach after a game and failing to report injuries, besides failing to develop any kind of relationship with players before they graduate. Obviously, this is not what you'd usually associate with a "family atmosphere" in the locker room, nor a professional one. A former captain, linebacker Joe Mortensen, told the Lawrence Journal-World that he attributes a torn ACL his last year to being forced back into drills too early following knee surgery, and if Kansas officials asked his advice, "'I’d be like 'Let him go.'"

It's also coming out at a curious time, with the Jayhawks riding a five-game losing streak and staring at a losing season with likely losses to Texas and Missouri still in front of them. You can't blame Mangino for thinking, as he said earlier this week, that this wouldn't be happening if Kansas was 5-1 in the Big 12 and in the hunt for the division title, as it's been the last two years, instead of 1-5 and heading for the scrap heap. Mangino is responsible for the best two-season run in school history in 2007-08 and is two wins from setting a new school record.

And apparently that bought him a lot of goodwill over those years, at least enough to keep people thinking, "He must be doing something right." It's one thing to be a jerk who gets results. When the worm turns and losses to the likes of Colorado and Kansas State start piling up, though, all bets are off if you're just a jerk. If that doesn't get Mangino fired, it guarantees a round of professional anger management or "sensitivity training" or something along those lines, at minimum, unless a substantial contingent of his players and their parents are all discovered to be lying.

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  1. Doghouse Reilly
    1. Posted by Doghouse Reilly Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:21 pm EST

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    Wow, Mark Mangino sounds like a Yahoo commenter.
  2. ap
    2. Posted by ap Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:22 pm EST

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    Plus he is very fat
  3. Carl V
    3. Posted by Carl V Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:45 pm EST

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    Bravo, Doghouse Reilly.
    I actually laughed at that. Well done.
  4. Robert C
    4. Posted by Robert C Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:02 pm EST

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    He needs to get his stomach or his mouth stapled shut.
    I really don't think those that want him out need to worry much, he will surely have a heart attack soon. And this is not being mean or insensitive, it is just stating the truth.
    I am sure some of those kids wanted to punch him in the face, but their arms weren't long enough to make it passed all that fat or they were terrified he might fall on top of them. OK, this was mean and insensitive, but so is he.
  5. AN
    5. Posted by AN Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:13 pm EST

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    WTF!!!... do all these athletes think playing D-I football is supposed to be all peaches.
    Grow a pair.
    These are the same guys everyone bent over for in HS, when they were the big fish in a little pond. Wonder how many of the whiners are/will be playing on Sundays?
  6. just4funsies
    6. Posted by just4funsies Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:14 pm EST

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    Mangino is a fat bag of shytt. But we don't have to worry about him for long, methinks.
  7. Mat
    7. Posted by Mat Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:22 pm EST

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    There is a typo in the post. The last sentence in the penultimate paragraph should read:
    "A soft schedule is responsible for the best two-season run in school history in 2007-08 and..."
    And "two wins from setting a new school record" sounds a lot more impressive than 4 games over .500 for his career, or even 9 losses from setting a new school record.
  8. mikez34
    8. Posted by mikez34 Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:46 pm EST

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    mat m - exactly! In that "magical" 2007 season they had the good fortune of not having to face Texas, Oklahoma, or Texas Tech.
  9. kass0809@...
    9. Posted by kass0809@... Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:54 pm EST

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    Robert C,
    No, it is mean and insensitive. And you are a douche for saying such, but I am sure you already know that. But, Mangino does seem like quite the jackass.
  10. ap
    10. Posted by ap Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:42 pm EST

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    Get in my belly
  11. Doghouse Reilly
    11. Posted by Doghouse Reilly Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:51 pm EST

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    #5 AN,
    I know! Nothing builds more character than ridiculing a person's family or their religion. They really should grow a pair (or in the case of former captain Joe Mortensen, he should grow a new ACL).
    (SIGH) I hope you aren't one of these insane losers who coach Pee Wee Football.
  12. t22odd
    12. Posted by t22odd Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:46 pm EST

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    haha, ku thinks they are a fb school.....
  13. okesene
    13. Posted by okesene Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:07 pm EST

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    Its time for him to go along with his assistants who stood around doing nothing...........Attacking a players personal issues at home is classless. Maybe the players should bring a big mac a day to ease the tension in the air at practice............looks like he ate one of the O-linemen......
  14. bobby
    14. Posted by bobby Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:33 am EST

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    maybe he shoud call notre dame for a job they are used to a fat man on the sideline with little sucess
  15. nelsoncolburn
    15. Posted by nelsoncolburn Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:00 am EST

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    The Mangino situation is the perfect microcosm of the dynamics embedded in 21st century football: Parents who want their babies treated with kid gloves. An old school coach who has not adapted to new school sensibilities. Things are great while the team wins. Things are not so great once a losing streak sets in. Unrealistic expectations are created, and then not met. I could go on and on. Should Mangino stay or go? My bet is that most of the fans at the other Big 12 schools hope he stays. That should give the KU Administration needed direction. The only other thing the KU A.D. needs is a pot of buyout money. I would not bet on that in this economy.
  16. Ryan
    16. Posted by Ryan Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:44 am EST

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    Calling out a player by referring to his recently murdered brother is not old school. It's disgusting and the act of a total scumbag. Hopefully Mangino does some personal reconstruction on his head before heading back into the coaching world. His comments are so awful its not even necessary to get into his weight, and thats saying a lot.

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