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Boise State's big seasons recently have tended to follow a certain pattern: Beat a respectable, "Big Six" conference team early, run the table in the WAC to finish an undefeated regular and either a) Break into one of the big-money games in January as a huge underdog, or b) If the BCS has filled the resident Cinderella slot with another perfect upstart, accept a bid to a lesser bowl against another highly-ranked, BCS-worthy contender from one of the other outside-looking-in conferences.

This was the script in 2004, when the Broncos beat Oregon State, finished 12-0, and lost a nailbiter to No. 7 Louisville in the Liberty Bowl; and again in 2006, when they beat Oregon State, finished 12-0, and memorably upset Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl; and last year, when they beat Oregon, finished 12-0 and lost a nailbiter to No. 11 TCU in the Poinsettia Bowl. When you talk about "undefeated Boise State" -- and once BSU gets past that one big, early test, as it already has this year against Oregon, you have no choice, given the Broncos total dominance of the WAC this decade -- these are the possibilities.

Nowhere in that script is there even a concept of playing for a national championship, mythical or otherwise. After Boise essentially set its course for another perfect season by pounding the Ducks earlier this month, it seemed like a lock for another BCS bid down the line, but all precedent says that's the tip of the mountaintop. This team can't accomplish more than its undefeated predecessors -- the opportunities just don't exist on the schedule -- and none of those teams finished the regular season ranked higher than ninth in any of the mainstream human polls or eighth in the final BCS poll. National championships just don't apply to WAC schedules with one respectable game against a team from Oregon.

Except the carnage in the top 10 over the first month of the season, combined with Boise State being Boise State in games it's supposed to win, currently has the Broncos sitting fifth in both mainstream polls, matching their final position after upsetting Oklahoma in the '07 Fiesta Bowl as the highest ranking in school history. Of the four teams currently in front of BSU, at least two -- between Florida, Alabama and LSU -- are guaranteed to lose at some point, if only to one another. Assuming the Broncos are bound for 13-0 again (they get an extra game by virtue of the odd-year trip to Hawaii), traditional poll inertia suggests they're one Texas misstep away from No. 2 and a for-real shot at the crystal ball in Pasadena. Is that possible?

The Atlanta-Journal Constitution's Tony Barnhart says it's absolutely impossible, for the exact reason it hasn't happened until now: No matter how many games they win, or by how much, the Broncos just don't play the schedule. The games aren't there. The bottom half of the WAC -- Idaho, New Mexico State, Utah State, San Jose State, sometimes Louisiana Tech -- is annually the puffiest lineup of easy wins anywhere in the country, and Boise has never done enough outside of the conference to offset that. Outside of Oregon this year, the Broncos face a typical murderer's row of Miami (Ohio), Bowling Green, UC Davis and Tulsa. The last six games in November and December are against teams that are a combined 4-13 right now against I-A competition (three of those wins are by Idaho) and only figure to get worse. If it runs the table, this team will have exactly the same credentials as the teams that were snubbed before without a second thought.

The question is, when do factors like precedent and strength of schedule overcome the week-to-week inertia that tends to move teams up only when a vacant space opens up above them? If comes down to undefeated teams from the automatic BCS conferences, I don't think it's a question -- if, say, Iowa in the Big Ten or Kansas in the Big 12 or even Cincinnati or South Florida in the Big East finished undefeated, I think they'd hop the Broncos out of the greater respect for those teams' conferences and no one would look back. If it came down to Boise State against another undefeated mid-major outfit, though -- Houston and TCU are the only remaining candidates, both of which already have more wins over "Big Six" opponents (two apiece) than Boise will play this year -- or against a one-loss powerhouse like USC, Ohio State or Virginia Tech, each of which currently resides behind the Broncos in all the mainstream rankings, who's blessed with the benefit of the doubt then?

Nothing in the history of the BCS suggests it will be Boise in that scenario, nor in any other scenario the system has encountered over the last 10 years. Utah finished last season with a much stronger resumé at 12-0 than these Broncos will have at 13-0, and the Utes didn't get a whiff of a title shot despite the logjam of one-loss teams at the top. But there's also no precedent for a supposed Cinderella working from such an entrenched position -- No. 5! -- so early in the season. Polling has always been a rigid process; voters don't think about their ballots fluidly, as a constantly evolving order based on new evidence; the rule has always been, you win you stay put or move up, if you lose you move down. From its current standing, if BSU keeps winning -- especially if it keeps winning big -- I suspect it's going to have plenty of defenders crying foul when the Broncos are finally leaped by the name brands with blemishes.

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  1. KEN
    1. Posted by KEN Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:16 pm EDT

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    Matt, I guess you're discounting the effects of the political uproar that resulted from the Utah situation last year? That coupled with the already-lofty perch of Boise right now would seem to be the wildcard that potentially could stop the humans from shoving aside an unbeaten Boise for a USC or Va. Tech.
  2. Tim
    2. Posted by Tim Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:17 pm EDT

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    Are you sure polling has always been rigid? I thought a lot of teams have won and moved down. All one of those blemished teams needs is a big win near the end of the season to provide an excuse.
    Also, what about the computers involved in the BCS polling?
    If Boise State gets into the title game, they'd better have a [profane] trick play or two and a touching marriage proposal at the end or the rioting over a boring blowout will deafen the usual folks crying foul and reset the glass ceiling firmly in place for the next 10 years.
  3. David E
    3. Posted by David E Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:38 pm EDT

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    I think their chance is real this year. I believe that they will stay ahead of Big Name programs with two losses (Florida, Alabama, LSU, VT, OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, ND) and all other programs with 1 loss. Of the 9 Big Name programs, 4 already have a loss to their name and there are at least 5 or 6 head to heads left. Additionally, pollsters would likely be more afraid of pairing two teams from the same conference in the title game than Boise (see Ohio State and Michigan from 2006). If they run the table, I would say their chances are 40-60, which isn't bad at all.
  4. Amanda
    4. Posted by Amanda Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:41 pm EDT

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    I don't think the BSU, TCU, Houston trio is as clear cut as you do.
    According to Sagarin over the past few seasons, the MWC is the 7th best conf, the WAC is the 8th best conf, and CUSA is the 9th best (the differences here are not that big according to the computers). So by conference schedule:
    TCU BSU Houston
    But if you look at nonconf schedule (again, this may be close, and it may be that Oregon starts losing again or OkSt beats Texas or something):
    Houston BSU TCU
    So I don't see this as a slam dunk for putting either Houston or TCU ahead of Boise. They should be close.
  5. Reepicheep
    5. Posted by Reepicheep Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:50 pm EDT

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    Frankly, the fact that Boise is ranked above VT right now is a bit of a travesty. Boise has played a good Oregon team and 3 cupcakes, with nothing but cupcakes on the horizon. Guess what, half the BCS teams in the country would be 4-0 with that schedule. VT beat Nebraska, Miami, and Marshall, all of which are undefeated against teams not named VT. Our loss came to one of the best teams in the country.
    All that said, I don't know why I'm complaining. Week 4 polls are meaningless and VT tends to muck things up once they go top 5 anyways, so it's just as well. Plus, we have a date with Boise next year at FedEx Field! Should be fun. :-)
  6. Amanda
    6. Posted by Amanda Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:56 pm EDT

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    Maybe one reason is that VT has looked so ugly in winning. This is a beauty contest, after all. I don't think anyone really thinks Boise couldn't also beat Nebraska, Marhsall, and Miami, and maybe they could be Bama. They are not all that dissimilar to the Utah team that destroyed Bama last year.
  7. scottyc5
    7. Posted by scottyc5 Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:06 pm EDT

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    The Poinsettia bowl last year told me everything I need to know about BSU. They are well coached (very well coached), but even with the opposing coaching staff trying to hand them the game, TCU dominated BSU in the trenches. Had the TCU coaches just stuck to the ground, they would have run completely over BSU.
    Honestly, BSU needs to get smoked in the BCS (or better yet, a minor bowl by a middling BCS conference team) so we can stop talking about them. One poorly coached OU team and an annoying marriage proposal has given them street cred. But other than that single game, they've proven to not be as good as the other mid-majors they are compared to (Louisville in '04, pre-Big East and TCU in '08). I think that you'll see when the computers come out in 3 weeks that they are well behind UH and TCU (assuming those teams stay undefeated with their much tougher schedules). And I think some voters are going to adjust their ballots as good one loss teams start beating other good teams. Or maybe BSU will do us all a favor and get upset by a WAC team.
    Didn't BSU go to Georgia in '05 and '06 and get hammered?
  8. Amanda
    8. Posted by Amanda Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:16 pm EDT

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    I'm not sure why what BSU did in '05 has any bearing on this discussion.
    The losses that supposedly exposed Boise as a fraud were both last minute losses against top 10 teams.
    Just what big win on TCU's schedule is going to impress the computers at this point? Uva? TCU could go through the season with as few top 25 wins as Boise (1 vs BYU).
    Finally, are we gonna stop talking about OU, Penn St, OSU, Alabama, etc just because they got smoked in BCS games?
  9. Amanda
    9. Posted by Amanda Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:18 pm EDT

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    I'm not sure why what BSU did in '05 has any bearing on this discussion.
    The losses that supposedly exposed Boise as a fraud were both last minute losses against top 10 teams.
    Just what big win on TCU's schedule is going to impress the computers at this point? Uva? TCU could go through the season with as few top 25 wins as Boise (1 vs BYU).
    Finally, are we gonna stop talking about OU, Penn St, OSU, Alabama, etc just because they got smoked in BCS games?
  10. dethwing
    10. Posted by dethwing Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:22 pm EDT

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    "I think that you'll see when the computers come out in 3 weeks that they are well behind UH and TCU"
    Billingsly: Boise 4, TCU 6, Houston 8
    Colley: Boise 8, Houston 12, TCU 25
    Massey: Boise 6, Houston 9, TCU 9
    Sagarin: Boise 2, TCU 8, Houston 21
    The other 2 aren't out yet, and of course still plenty of games to go, but I don't think it's as clear cut as you think.
  11. Eashvar
    11. Posted by Eashvar Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:23 pm EDT

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    i think they will always be in tha top 25 this yeer cuz theyr playin easy teaams...but they hav tha potential
  12. bignasty9600
    12. Posted by bignasty9600 Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:34 pm EDT

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    Florida State used to get to the title game every year playing a creampuff ACC schedule (forget ACC people, the conference was HOT garbage during the Seminoles' run) and no one held it against them because of who they were. I think Boise, if they are the absolute only undefeated team, will get similar respect.
    The scenario is simple: Boise is the only undefeated team and they play 1-loss Florida/Alabama in the title game. And they need the other name schools (USC, Texas, Oklahoma) to have two losses. I think at this point, undefeated Boise would have more respect than a 1-loss Penn State or Ohio State. And what if Oregon wins the Pac-10???
  13. YANKEES!
    13. Posted by YANKEES! Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:53 pm EDT

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    Why is everyone ignoring Iowa??? At worst, Iowa ends up with 1 loss, to Ohio State, who truly belongs to be undefeated and would be if they hadn't gave away the game to USC. Iowa just completely destroyed Penn State. If Iowa doesn't get some respect, they're just going to play better anyway. Wait and see how badly they embarass Wisconsin, Michigan and Mich. State. Then it's 2 top 10 schools playing for the Title!!!!!
  14. Duke
    14. Posted by Duke Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:22 pm EDT

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    Solid article as usual, Matt, with one exception: it's useless to include Barnhart in any serious discussion of college football. He's quite simply a gigantic SEC homer; nothing he says is of any value to anyone north of the Mason-Dixon Line.
  15. admvinyl
    15. Posted by admvinyl Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    The irrational exuberance by Iowa fans is interesting. Congratulations, you have an excellent half of a team. Your QB is still an erratic wacko who will lose you at least one game you think you should win, especially since your running backs aren't anything special either.
    VT really should have lost to Nebraska, they were really really lucky to escape with the late win in that one. And Boise needs to run the table and have Oregon run the table to have any chance -- SOS or otherwise, how's a pollster going to justify placing BSU below Oregon if BSU is Oregon's only loss? Oh, right, the same way they're putting Houston behind Oklahoma State, Iowa behind Penn State, etc -- complete lack of a functioning brain.
  16. Kev Oh
    16. Posted by Kev Oh Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:41 pm EDT

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    bignasty9600-
    Florida St. was beating a Florida team that was in it's prime and winning SEC championships, at the end of every year during what was considered the biggest game of the year for a good portions of the 90's. Is Boise St. doing anything like that? The also played another team in Florida every once in while that was pretty good those years...
    Oh, and FSU won Nat'l Championships when they played.. So ACC cream puffs or not, they were owning the best of the SEC and the best of the Nat'l scene.
    If BSU gets in the MNC game this year and loses, it'll set non big 6 conferences back a decade.
  17. gtne91
    17. Posted by gtne91 Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:29 pm EDT

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    Kev,
    If Oregon goes 11-1 and wins the P10, then Yes, Boise St is doing exactly what FSU was doing (well, not quite, FSU still played tougher schedules).
  18. Suseel I
    18. Posted by Suseel I Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:10 pm EDT

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    The BCS Advocates are slowly joining the chorus against the non-BCS teams. No one could answer Utah's claim after going unbeaten last year. They always come up with a lame argument "Boise State or Utah" would "probably" loose to BCS teams if they play them each year. How do you know? I know it is not true because each team showed it in 2007 and 2008. I am sure people will say that Texas or Florida will cream Boise State even if they play them this year, but.......haven't they presented the same argument last two years with Oklahoma and Alabama? This article is starting a cynical discussion to keep pollsters and voters to exclude Boise State from the discussion altogether.
  19. Phil M
    19. Posted by Phil M Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:35 pm EDT

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    As a UT fan I say this with graet pride...F- The BCS... Its a horrible system and has no place in sports. And the only reason its still in place is because everyone knows we're not going to stop watching college football. They bank on this. They know there is nothing they have to do because their product isn't in jeopardy.
    So once again, F the BCS and everything it stands for. How come Division II and III football teams have playoffs?
  20. Phil M
    20. Posted by Phil M Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:38 pm EDT

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    Oh, and to the guy that said something about "boring games"
    Yeah, the last 4 NC games were just riveting weren't they?
  21. Phil M
    21. Posted by Phil M Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:44 pm EDT

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    Kev Oh, during most of the 90's the SEC largely sucked...You had Tennesse and Florida...Alabama couldn't stop breaking the rules and LSU absolutely SUCKED for quite some time.
  22. Whitey
    22. Posted by Whitey Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:30 pm EDT

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    The polls are outrageous... The rankings will favor teams that would pull more money in a bowl game. The system is a joke, yahoo ran a nice article today about the poll voters not even watching the games, thanks Mr. Hinton. Oregon beat Cal 42-3 yet the California team is ranked better than Oregon... Maybe the poll voters thought it was a fluke... a 39 point fluke OR maybe that punch in the face is what the ranking is based on and not football. either way Boise state is for real... -Duck fan
  23. Whitey
    23. Posted by Whitey Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:31 pm EDT

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    The polls are outrageous... The rankings will favor teams that would pull more money in a bowl game. The system is a joke, yahoo ran a nice article today about the poll voters not even watching the games, thanks Mr. Hinton. Oregon beat Cal 42-3 yet the California team is ranked better than Oregon... Maybe the poll voters thought it was a fluke... a 39 point fluke OR maybe that punch in the face is what the ranking is based on and not football. either way Boise state is for real... -Duck fan
  24. MattG
    24. Posted by MattG Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:07 pm EDT

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    The rankings are absolutly messed up. Not just for non-BCS teams either. Cincinnati could go undeafeated and will still be behind a one loss USC or Florida, whether it is deserved or not. The only way there is a fair national championship is with a sixteen team playoff, have 11 conference winners and 5 at large bids. That way, every team can win the National Championship, all they have to do is win all of there games. If FCS can have a playoff, can't a FBS league with a billion times more money do it?
  25. Baseballjunkie101
    25. Posted by Baseballjunkie101 Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:30 pm EDT

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    This is the exact reason there needs to be a playoff to show that Boise is a higher caliber team. Boise will never get the opportunity because they are not in a BCS conference. Everyone keeps saying they are only going undefeated because they are in the WAC, but the only way we will ever know what caliber of a team they truly are is to have a playoff system, and let Boise play against the BCS conference schools. I get tired of hearing about how they cannot compare against powerhouse teams and conferences, when the only time they've ever had the chance to play against them, they've won.

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