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After capping an 11-1 regular season with an Orange Bowl win in 2007, mounting another eight-win campaign last year and a ripping off a 5-0 start this season, things aren't going so hot for Kansas lately: The Jayhawks are on the verge of missing a bowl game after a five-game skid that includes losses at Colorado and Kansas State, three of the four lowest-scoring efforts in 36 games with Todd Reesing as the starting quarterback and a temporary benching of Reesing at Texas Tech, all of which followed a series of much-publicized dust-ups between members of the football and basketball teams in September. That's almost the textbook definition of "bad month."

Might as well take the bad news all the way, then, with a players-only meeting with the administration to discuss "concerns" about one of the most successful Jayhawk coaches in recent memory:

Kansas University athletic director Lew Perkins met Monday night with the school's football players to discuss concerns about football coach Mark Mangino brought to his attention by one of the current players and others with ties to the football program, the [Lawrence] Journal-World has learned.

Mangino was not present at the meeting.

"I can confirm an internal review is under way," Perkins said in a quote released by the school. "It involves a personnel matter, and as a result, is confidential. It would be inappropriate for me to provide further information right now."

Mangino is not known for being the nicest guy, or having the best sense of humor, or kowtowing to political realities. But he has been a winner where KU is concerned: The Jayhawks have seven winning seasons in the last 40 years, and three of them belong to Mangino since 2005, including the best season in KU history in '07. That's not the kind of record that gets the athletic director sniffing behind your back unless you've really rubbed someone the wrong way, which even Mangino admits he probably has:

"Not one bit," Mangino said Tuesday [in response to a question about whether he's lost his team] at his weekly media gathering. “I may have lost some people around here, but it’s not players.” Asked what he meant, Mangino said, "Take it for what it's worth. You decipher it and see."
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Players interviewed Tuesday said that Mangino has not changed the way he deals with them this season. Mangino said he felt the reason that there are issues now is the Jayhawks’ five-game losing streak.

"This is what comes when things aren’t going well," Mangino said. “You’re going to find disgruntled people. It’s a fact of any organization, whether it's sport related, whether it's corporate, any profession you're in. … That's life. It’s how it works."

Mangino was asked if he thinks there would be an investigation into his behavior if the Jayhawks were 5-1 [in Big 12 play] instead of 1-5. "No," he said.

"An organized group of former players' parents" would beg to differ, according to the Star, which says the parents are "ready to air concerns" about Mangino, as well, about as strong an indictment of a coaches' behind-the-scenes work as there can be short of a criminal investigation.

That's all that's left to this story, actually: Back-to-back losses to Texas and Missouri to complete the seven-game slide to KU's first losing season since 2004, Mangino's sudden ouster, and then the FBI storms in. As rapidly as this seemingly charmed marriage has deteriorated since mid-October, we're well past the "surprise" phase, I think.

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  1. Jeff K
    1. Posted by Jeff K Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:56 pm EST

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    He wouldn't be unemployed long.
    He's a heckuva coach.
    KU seems like a bunch of ingrates.
    --Nebraska fan
  2. Mat
    2. Posted by Mat Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:35 pm EST

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    I heard there was a missing persons report filed for someone within the program. These are preliminary hearings before the investigators can get the D.A.'s office to order a subpoena for the contents of Mangino's stomach.
  3. kass0809@...
    3. Posted by kass0809@... Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:11 pm EST

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    Kansas is crazy if they get rid of him.
  4. Wayne M
    4. Posted by Wayne M Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:48 pm EST

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    I think some people in KU's athletic department are completely delusional. They had a sniff of 100% fraudulent success in 2007 and somehow think they have a chance at competing with the big guns in the Big XII.
    I think someone (ie the AD) wants to get rid of this guy and is using the abuse allegations as an excuse to show Mangino the door. What I mean is that he is really getting the axe for the five game conference skid and the allegations of abuse are just what they need for spin.
    They think they can do better? The fact is they cannot and knee-jerk stuff like this only sets the program back farther.
  5. J Rizz
    5. Posted by J Rizz Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:42 pm EST

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    Talk radio in Lawrence was almost as depressing as I've ever heard it today. I don't know where this sense of entitlement came from.. we had one good season in 40 years and we're going to start firing people 'cause of angry former players' parents? That's too bad...
  6. Jacob
    6. Posted by Jacob Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:01 pm EST

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    The former players' parents are whining... Just tell them all this ain't intermurals, Mr. Mangino. This is Big 12 football! That worked for Colorado's coach!
    As for KU's AD, NU's AD did something similar in 2003, after a period of non-success under Frank Solich from 2002 to 2003. They knee-jerked the whole thing, brought in Bill "We're Stupid" Callahan from 2004-2007 the 'skers stunk. One divisional title in the worst year of the North division is all they reaped for those actions.
    Get a guy. Beleive in your guy. Stick with your guy. Mangino has demonstrated he can coach. Were it not for an untimely Kerry Meier fumble, coupled with a dropped pass by Jake Sharp (if memory serves me right), KU had a great shot against NU.
    I'm not saying almost winning is OK. You need to win games. But being competitive is the key part. Being "in" the game is what the coach gets you. Winning or losing happens between the sidelines.
    As for who else he pissed off, probably the vending machine mechanics! Get it? Cause he east a lot!?! Get it? Cause he' fat!
  7. Robert H
    7. Posted by Robert H Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:15 pm EST

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    The rumors i'm hearing involve Mangino choking a player in practice.
    If it's true, then he is gone, and he will not hold a D1 job for a long time, if ever again.
    You cannot keep your job for long if you're choking people. That applies to virtually every job in America.
  8. bobby
    8. Posted by bobby Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:26 pm EST

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    a better question would be did KU turn its head to things just becuase he was winning and now he is not worth protecting cant wait to here more about these abuse claims
  9. cantcatchuf
    9. Posted by cantcatchuf Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:26 pm EST

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    Robert - Hitman. You forgot hitman.
    The pay is mediocre, and the benefits nonexistent, but someone has to do it.
  10. kass0809@...
    10. Posted by kass0809@... Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:51 pm EST

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    Well, the university reported that the investigation has to do with this...
    http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1575397.html
    Poking a player on the chest. Nothing about choking.
  11. RJMac
    11. Posted by RJMac Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:26 am EST

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    What a bunch of frilly-laced pansies! So Mangino isn't Mr. Warmth. So he poked a player in the chest (quite a few coaches have). So he has to be weighed at the local feed mill. So what? He's had succesful seasons (even 5-5 is a success around Lawrence, never known for being a football powerhouse. There's enough feel-good, PC garbage in this world already- we don't need to wussify football.
    If the AD pulls a weenie stunt & cans the Fat Man, KU and Lawrence should be burned to the ground, and never rebuilt. Send the whiny parents and players out to California where they belong.
  12. mikez34
    12. Posted by mikez34 Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:40 am EST

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    If you take 2007 as an aberration and having the good fortune of not having to face Texas, Oklahoma, or Texas Tech in a single year (which it looks like), then Mangino has a losing record. Even with it, his record at KU is 50-45. Not so great.
  13. ATL
    13. Posted by ATL Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:08 pm EST

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    Is he eating players too. Good God he is huge!

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