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I find that one helpful rule regarding quarterbacks is, "Don't get your hopes up." If your team has a quality returning starter, or a long history of producing quality starters and strong candidates to continue the line (a la Aaron Corp and Taylor Potts at Southern Cal and Texas Tech, respectively), that's one thing; you have nothing to worry about except injuries. But that situation is always in the minority -- the vast majority of offenses are either breaking in new starters or welcoming back a so-so option they're just hoping will emerge as a respectable within-the-offense type, in which case, don't get your hopes up. The cliché about the backup quarterback as the most popular player on the team is cliché for a reason: A secure, competent, confident, healthy quarterback is a relatively rare and precious commodity.

So when the Georgia blog Get the Picture laments the sorry state of SEC passers -- "What the hell is the deal with quarterbacks in this conference?" -- it's worth putting the question into some perspective. It's true the SEC only has two proven, quality starters coming into the year, Tim Tebow and Jevan Snead, and at least twice as many total noobs who don't yet deserve the benefit of the doubt. Commenters there respond predictably to the dearth of top-end passers: "You don’t want to be facing SEC defenses every week." (Cue chanting.) If you break down the starting quarterbacks in every conference, though, that ratio of quality to uncertainty by my count seems about par for the course:

"Not viable" here is reserved for returning starters who were so bad it's inconceivable that they could ever lead a successful offense (see specific assignments for each category here; Ricky Stanzi fans, my e-mail is on the sidebar). This is a small number because these players tend to be replaced fairly quickly by others who have a chance. If the SEC is at any disadvantage, it's in the fact that three of last year's most obviously inept quarterbacks, Jonathan Crompton (Tennessee), Kodi Burns (Auburn) and Mike Hartline (Kentucky), are all scheduled to be back under center this fall. It's not that other conferences didn't have their share of terrible quarterbacks, but at least UCLA and Michigan, for example, are going out of their way to get rid of the problem.

It is fair to say that SEC quarterbacks were unusually bad last year -- eight regular quarterbacks from four different schools finished with pass efficiency ratings that wouldn't have qualified for the top-100 nationally -- but it's argue that's going to continue in a league that's sent eight different starters to the NFL since 2005. LSU and Arkansas have made apparent upgrades; Alabama shouldn't suffer much of a drop off from John Parker Wilson to Greg McElroy; and Vanderbilt is at least trying to move on from last year's disaster by moving bowl game starter Larry Smith to No. 1, ahead of beleaguered veteran Mackenzi Adams. Even in the cases of Crompton and Burns, who somehow haven't been supplanted, maybe the new regimes at Tennessee and Auburn will bring some reversal of fate; if nothing else, they can't possibly be worse.

In any case, it's no surprise that the high-flyin' Big 12 is the standard bearer of star passers, but everywhere else, there are a lot more question marks and guys just hoping to hold down the fort than genuine assets. Which should be expected -- that's the case in the NFL, and they don't even have mandatory turnover every two or three years. Most of the new quarterbacks will trickle into the "viable" category, but at least as many are liable to wind up fading into the wrong extreme as they are to wind up excelling; at such a high-pressure position, you're doing OK if you're "not bad." Mediocrity is the nature of the beast. (Except, of course, in the Big 12, and there we can just blame the defenses.)

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  1. eagles lucy
    1. Posted by eagles lucy Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:11 pm EDT

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    i love the ? next to BC :(
  2. Rick A
    2. Posted by Rick A Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:53 pm EDT

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    god am i tired of hearing about big 12 qb play! they remind me of the pac 10 in the 90's...SOFT!...and im a pac 10 homer!
  3. AgnosticTheocrat
    3. Posted by AgnosticTheocrat Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:03 pm EDT

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    Not an Iowa fan, but certainly a QB that was 41st in passing efficiency as an off-again-on-again starter deserves at least a "viable" tag. It seems disingenuous to place Ricky Stanzi in the same category as Burns, Crompton, and Hartline when those three were historically awful. None were in the top 100 and Crompton and Burns had sub-100 passer ratings. Stanzi had a 134; hardly breathtakingly bad.
    Plus, there are 5 new QBs: Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, and Wisconsin. Kellen Lewis is a wide receiver now. Assuming he's your non-viable and not Ricky Stanzi, that should change your chart as well.
  4. AgnosticTheocrat
    4. Posted by AgnosticTheocrat Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:05 pm EDT

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    Nevermind, I see you categorized Ben Chappell as non-viable. I suppose it's fair to consider him a returning starter, though I'm not sure 3 games are enough to characterize his viability.
  5. jpeep16altus
    5. Posted by jpeep16altus Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:59 pm EDT

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    Rick A , You gotta be kinding me. The 90's Pac 10 and Big 12 QBs is not even a close comparison. Might as well be the Pac 1 (USC). Get some competition on the West Coast please!!! Then you can talk about the elite leagues(Big 12 & SEC).
  6. Randy P
    6. Posted by Randy P Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:14 pm EDT

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    I am so sick and damn tired of hearing about the bull [profane] big 10. All I can say is that they were 0 and 2 vs. the SEC when the bowls were done. Anyone with any damn brains knows that there are only three conferences in football. AFC,NFC, and SEC! And might I add, not necesarily in that order!
  7. JonnieRebel
    7. Posted by JonnieRebel Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:20 pm EDT

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    Snead.
  8. Preston
    8. Posted by Preston Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:45 pm EDT

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    The days of the Big 10 are over. The Pac 10 will be growing every year because of the nice weather and amazing recruiting there. The ACC will always be average to a little better then average. The SEC will always dominate as long as they keep the ALL-STAR coaching crew they have from top to bottom of the conference. BIG 12 will always have OU and UT and the rest of the conference will have fun Offensive teams with absolutely no Defense Clue. All other conferences blow. I agree with Randy P -only 3 conferences. NFC SEC AFC in that order!
  9. robert33tn
    9. Posted by robert33tn Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:50 pm EDT

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    I know that crompton wasnt any good last year but u have to lay some of the blame on the line that was suppose to be blocking...heck he didnt get the ball and take a step before the defense was right there. i just hope they both will improve or it will be another long season.
  10. J. Tressel
    10. Posted by J. Tressel Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:20 am EDT

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    Preston P & Randy P - Well we can all tell that your parents must have been brother and sister, cause both your comments are rediculous. Both of you should be proud for coming up with that NFC AFC SEC joke because i haven't heard that one a million times now. By the way, if the AFC beats the s**t out of the NFC every year aside from that Giants win over the Pats. And the Big 10 is on the rebound with teams like OSU and PSU always playing great ball and teams like WU, NWU, MU, and MSU all looking to have big seasons this year. I think you should be more concerned with your SEC who looks to be on the downside of a good four or five years. After Tebow leaves next year whose N*tS are you guys going to have to swing on and what teams are going to be any good. Its cute though to see that your parents let you both stay up this late to write these good jokes on the net.
  11. Big Country
    11. Posted by Big Country Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:55 am EDT

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    Being a skilled QB is hard to find, regardless of conference. If you look at some ridiculous stats from college, it don't mean anything in the NFL. Examples are Colt Brennan, Dave Ragone, David Klinger. Half of the NFL QB's are not good. Good: Brady, Cutler, Mannings, Warner, Rivers, Brees and Palmer. Everyone else is subpar, in my opinion. Roethlisberger is inconsistent and McNabb is past his prime. Romo isn't clutch, and the jury is still out on Flacco and Ryan. Just my opinions.
  12. diet_vanilla_coke88
    12. Posted by diet_vanilla_coke88 Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:22 am EDT

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    Uhh, Stanzi is in the Viable category. That seems about right to me. It would take an SEC fan to draw conclusions based on a sample size of two. College Football is not about conferences - it's about programs. In this decade, I'd rank the programs 1. USC, 2. Florida, 3. Ohio State, 4. Miami. USC has put out the most talent with Ohio State second, but Florida has won two championships. Miami has fallen quite a bit lately, but I won't take away their dominance early in the decade - an argument can be made for LSU, Texas, or Oklahoma to be #4. I think there's a pretty big gap between the top three and #4 though.
  13. Felicia
    13. Posted by Felicia Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:25 am EDT

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    Rick A- you are a tool! the Big-12 has all the best QB's and that's a fact. They also boast by far the most defensive award winners this decade. Nice try!
  14. markd
    14. Posted by markd Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:15 am EDT

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    There is a big gap at quarterbacks between confrences.Sure the Big 12 has a lot of passing quarterbacks who put up huge numbers.If you want to see the true gap at quarterback just look in the pro football hall of fame.The last time i checked the Big 12 had only one standard for quarterback.NFL BUST. The SEC QB's might not put up those big numbers, but you still have to beat them for the national championship come January.The Big Ten stands for how much they can take bent over.The SEC does not have to worry about swinging on any nuts.When the Big Ten is just a "TEABAGGED LEAGUE".The only thing the Big Ten is good at is choking in the big one,or on the big one!
  15. Collegefootballtopten.com
    15. Posted by Collegefootballtopten.com Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:48 am EDT

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    Curious as to what Malzahn will do with Burns or whomever else starts for Auburn. Having a good system in place helps the production of a qb in college (ie. Texas Tech, USC).
  16. Trigg
    16. Posted by Trigg Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:51 am EDT

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    it is amazing the amount of idiots that claim to know so much about college football.
    the big 12 has some good quaterbacks who play alot of teams that have NO defense & it was proven when they faced a good defense they were average quaterbacks. To make the statement that the Big 10 is "over" is stupid - obviously coming from a pac-10 homer of which the only good team in that conference is USC - remind that joker that PSU shelled Org st. And the SEC isnt as dominant as everyone thinks either - i.e. when bama ran into that big tuff utah team...also i think a very average MSU gave UG fits too...
  17. Greg R
    17. Posted by Greg R Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:06 am EDT

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    Isn't this chart more about the lack of quality in coaches' abilities to consistently recruit and develop QBs? You mentioned USC and Texas Tech as places where replacing a QB is not an issue. I think Texas has done a good job under Brown in replacing QBs. So has Stoops. Maybe we need an article on ranking the college coaches' ability to groom and replace QBs. A flat to upward trend line of passer efficiency, yards, TDs and winning pct should show some who is good at it.
  18. Chitownhawkeye
    18. Posted by Chitownhawkeye Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:39 am EDT

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    Hey Randy P. 0-2? Obviously you've forgotten about Iowa destroying South Carolina.
    But don't let those pesky facts get in the way of your homerism.
  19. cmhawks99
    19. Posted by cmhawks99 Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:53 am EDT

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    Most of you SEC guys are all the same and as a result no one can take you seriously. I agree wholeheartedly that the Big 10 has been down, but you guys are completely incapable of seeing outside the SEC box. You and the Big 12 guys are so jealous of the TV sets in Big 10 country and the subsequent exposure that they get that you don’t even make lucid points.
    It’s a fact the SEC plays good football (I’m a fan so I can be taken seriously) but to suggest a team, LSU, who 2 years ago won the NC after having lost to two 7-5 teams as anything other than the best of a lot of pretty average football teams is laughable. The Big 10 has historically played the SEC very well and has an all-time winning record and a just under a .500 All time bowl record against you. Yeah, so you guys abuse the Buckeyes, so what, UM has annihilated you. Michigan is 20-5-1 all time vs the SEC and the Big 10 is 96-90-7. Over recent years the SEC has had an advantage but it is hardly a “blistering”…look at the scores?!?! Furthermore last year (I run down NFLers per conference every year) the SEC was about 35 kids in front of the Big 10 with 1 more team. The Big 10 was 80 plus in front of the Big 12 with one LESS team. (It is probably a little more this year as the SEC had a good draft and the Big 10 not so much.)
    All in all get over your selves. Its football and it is being played at a good level, not great” in a lot of conferences right now. Heck it’s debatable whether your number #2 team Bama would have even finished number 2 in the MWC……ouch that hurts.
  20. Kim T
    20. Posted by Kim T Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:07 am EDT

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    The amazing thing to me about Kodi Burns is that Auburn fans still support him and will make excuses for his bad play. Blame the coaches, blame the receivers, blame the offensive line, blame everybody but the terrible terrible Quarterback...
  21. threestepdrop13
    21. Posted by threestepdrop13 Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:04 pm EDT

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    I love how a fairly decent post by the Dr. on the college QB's of this nation, some how brings about some huge rediculous battle of which conference better. I mean, there isn't even any mention of any QB's in half of these comments. It is sad the ego's of everyone have to come out and slam other confrences with no attention to the point. I am a Big Ten fan, but a BIGGER College football fan.
    As per the QB's, Stanzi deserve a better listing, or category. And I also agree with #4 and that Chappell really hasn't had a whole lot to prove himself on yet, not even sure I would call him a returning starter, even with 3 games under his belt. I am also a HUGE Buckeye fan, and TP looked really good in the spring game, but I think you might have him one spot too high in your listings. I hope that he proves me wrong, but he will most likely go through the sophmore curse.
  22. Chris
    22. Posted by Chris Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    To all of you big ten haters-
    It seems to me that everyone just loves to forget that two years ago, Ohio State and Michigan were #1 and #2 going into the best rivalry game in sports. Granted, Ohio State lost to Florida in the NC game that year, but I believe that Ohio State sucks anyways. Go blue! And also lets not forget one year later in the Capitol One bowl, Michigan beat Florida and your prescious Tebow and sent out Loyd Carr a winner. Everyone who rips on the Big Ten is an idiot. They just dont know true ground pound football.
    P.S. I know that Michigan went 3 and 9 last year so please dont repeat it. Well be back 2010!
  23. morseman
    23. Posted by morseman Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    I think it's fairly obvious that as the college offense becomes more complicated, a greater importance is being put on the QB, and also the gap between good and poor quarterbacks has also become greater. That is why you are seeing even the "Big-Time" programs like Michigan, OSU and Florida bringing in a different type of offense and athlete to play the QB position - there just aren't enough old-fashion, drop back QB's to go around!
    As far as the record of the B10 in bowl games goes, there is a very obvious, practical reason why Big Ten teams aren't winning like they used to - money! B10 teams travel well, and also draw very large TV audiences. That is the only reason that the BCS and the bowls bring in a second B10 team, one that probably doesn't deserve to be there. When that happens, every other team in the conference moves up one bowl, and is playing a team that is higher ranked. Go back and take a look at the last few years of bowls - most of the B10 teams are big underdogs right from the get-go!
    But if you are Illinois, and you get invited to play USC in the Rose Bowl, are you going to say "No"? Of course not!
  24. LADAWG
    24. Posted by LADAWG Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:23 pm EDT

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    The Big 12 Sux..What happened to your heisman QB when they played Florida? The fact of the matter is that the SEC defenses, make good QB's look bad. This year, we get to start the season off with Georgia at Oklahoma State. Wait until then and see that Georgia beats OSU on their field and exposes the Big 12 QBs. SEC always has and will rule college football.
  25. LADAWG
    25. Posted by LADAWG Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    cm hawks, if you really want to talk numbers, you can see the big 10 is overrated. The big 10 loses54% of the time against the SEC. If you compare the top Tier of the SEC that number is closer to 69%. The overall record of the SEC vs. Big 10 is 74 w to 62 l and 6 ties. Georgia is the leader in the category and has an 800% win percentage against the mighty Big 10. Only 3 teams in the Big 10 have a winning record against the SEC going back to the beginning of college football. Indiana at 20w/19L , Iowa 4w/3L and Michigan 13w 4 L. We know that if Indiana was any good with in the last 20 years and played an SEC team this record would also be a losing proposition.
    From top to bottom the SEC is a better conference, from tradition to its play. That is why ESPN and CBS signed agreements to show SEC football nationwide every Sat. The Mountain West plays better football than you guys.

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