Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:56 pm EST
If you were to go back and review the projections for last year's All-Americans when they were but mere recruits, you'll probably notice something interesting: The rankings seem virtually random. As many of the nation's top players were rated two or three-star mediocrities out of high school as were rated four-star mustangs, and more lower-rated prospects are on the All-America teams than former five-stars. Of the 79 different players (excluding kickers and punters) were voted in some capacity to one of the five NCAA-recognized All-America teams last year, only 13 came into college as five-stars, the cream of the crop. By contrast, more than three times as many of those All-Americans -- 43, to be exact, more than half of the total -- were rated three stars or lower. The top three or four recruiting teams in the country usuallydo better than thatbring in stronger hauls than that, according to the gurus.
If you didn't know any better, you'd think those recruiting stars didn't correspond to future success at all, a theme you might become familiar with over the next week or so.
Fortunately, we do know better. If you look more closely, there's a very good reason for the distribution, beginning with the distribution of stars at the beginning of the process, according to Rivals' database of signees to I-A schools over the last five years:

I would hope that two and three-star players could acquit themselves well enough to produce a large number of stars, since they account for almost 90 percent of the players nationally. Again, using the rosters of the five NCAA-recognized All-America teams -- as voted by the AFCA, the Associated Press the Football Writers of America, the Sporting News and the Walter Camp Foundation -- the situation changes dramatically when you look at the All-America numbers in light of those ratios:

Maybe a raw ratio of 1 in 14 -- or even 1 in 12, or 1 in 10, or whatever it is after accounting for the early departures, injuries and academics that these numbers make no attempt to reflect -- isn't all that impressive; after all, that means far more elite recruits are falling short of their star-studded birthright than are reaching it. Still, if you look at those odds ...

... it must be very tough to go on portraying them as a crapshoot.
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If people are going to continue saying "Also things like the Notre Dame factor come into play where as soon as a player commits to ND he rises by at least 1 star where if the same player committed somewhere else he would stay the same star wise or even drop", then please cite your resource because I can not find any information to validate that comment.
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Lance Richardson went from a zero star to a two star after committing to GT early this month. It wasnt the school name that did it, so much as they figured they needed to include him in the database since he committed to a BCS school.
One thing I also know that happens - 1 star players are guys that are in the database but that hasnt been officially graded by the site (at least that is how Scout works, I assume Rivals is similar). If that player commits to Miami, OH maybe they get around to grading him, maybe not. If he commits to Miami, FL he will get graded, which will probably take him to at least a 2-star.
If they want to be taken seriously, post commit grading needs to not happen. (Well, you know, accept for the early guys who commit before their senior year. I expect an update after their senior year).
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Anyway, while about 50% of them were stars, 30% (10, I think) were busts.
While there is a clear correlation between stars and success (5-stars will on average due much better than 3-stars), the fact that you can have a 30% bust rate for 5-star guys suggests the filtering isnt that good. Yeah, there will never be a perfect system, Rhett Bomars is hard to predict, but Willie Wiliams wasnt.
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Like I said, the additional ranting is not a direct result of, as it is being stated on here recently, "just because is recruiting him."
I think Scout and Rivals have it down pretty solid as far as how they rate players. I think commen sense should prevail when looking at these rating though. They should never be looked at as a definitive way of determining future sucess, but more of a loose barometer of overall player talent and potential compared to that players peers, within the same position. Obviously there are way more factors involved in determining the success of one player over another, i.e. coaching changes, offensive/deffensive scheme changes, injuries, player character off the field, etc.
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I'm just wondering, what criteria did you use for "bust". Did injuries come into the discussion, because I can see how something like that, or some kind of off field problems, could contribute to the "bust" ratio. Would a guy like Bomar, who was good enough to start at Oklahoma before his off field problem, count as a "bust"? Especially given that he still had a decent enough career after leaving Oklahoma and still might be NFL bound?
Remember also that with 5 stars only excluding JCs its a pretty small sample size, so it could just be randomness to a certain extent.
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I counted Bomar as a bust. If you end up below FBS, you busted. Ditto injuries and arrests and etc. A bust is a bust. The borderline bust guy for me was Xavier Lee. I had him as a bust even though he started some and contributed some more. Just not enough to make it to okay. Many of the guys (especially outside the skill positions) I had never heard of and could only go from numbers. If you were a 5-star guy and played in 3 games (0 starts) in 4 years, you were a bust. Maybe it was injury? I dont know. You still busted.
I also agree about randomness, I will probably end up doing some more years to build up a better supply of data. It was just the first I looked at, with the exception of one guy who was just granted a 6th year(and he went in the star category anyway - his 2 years as a starter [with all conference accolades] after his injuries was good enough for me), the 2004 class is done.
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