Dr. Saturday - NCAAF

First, I should say that, unless you're Chattanooga or The Citadel, I think "running up the score" is a lame excuse for failing to play 60 minutes. It's weak. No one in a game between reasonably competitive teams should ever be expected to throttle down to spare the other sideline's feelings. I can't stand allegations of "whining," but I'll make one: "Running up the score" is whining. It's for fragile losers.

I bring it up now because it gets thrown around too often, and it's come up a couple places in response to Oklahoma's overwhelming beatdown of Missouri Saturday night: The Oklahoman's Berry Tramel wonders if it might have cost the Sooners some votes, Kirk Bohls calls Bob Stoops out for "poor sportsmanship," Burnt Orange Nation is predictably upset and John Feinstein (with whom I always disagree) called Stoops "a coach who likes to run up the score" this morning for the NPR crowd.

All of which is bogus. I appreciate the killer instinct, for one thing. And not only do I not care if one team runs up the score in a championship game -- it's the championship game; the opponent is supposed to be competent enough to defend itself -- I don't even think the charge against Oklahoma and Florida this year is all that fair. They're certainly scoring a lot, and winning by wide, wide margins, but those margins aren't coming by inflating the score in the fourth quarter. The vast majority of beatings are already long over by then -- take a look at the games OU and UF have put away by the third quarter this year (games with at least a three-score lead entering the fourth), and how consistently they throttled down:

I charge each team with "running up the score" once: Oklahoma against Missouri, and Florida against Georgia. The Sooners and Gators continued to throw late in both cases, but then again, these were two of the biggest games of the season for any team, against worthy, ranked opponents who began the year in everybody's top 10 and which should never be so pitiful as to cry about the big, bad meanies who continue to score on them.

Otherwise, Oklahoma consistently let its foot off the gas in the fourth, time and again, even against teams like TCU, Nebraska, Texas A&M and Texas Tech, which ought to be able to at least make the Sooners break a sweat; for the season, OU has outscored opponents in the fourth quarter by all of eight points, and that's after outpacing Missouri by fourteen. I don't charge Florida with running up the score against Arkansas, LSU or South Carolina, because of the specific circumstances: Against Arkansas, UF scored on the first play of the fourth quarter to go up 34-7, then effectively went into hibernation mode by running the rest of the game; this still produced two long touchdown runs, but there was clearly no effort to score by throwing the ball. Ditto South Carolina, where the Gators scored a touchdown seconds into the fourth and later ran several times in a row for another with the backup quarterback in the game. I don't even count Brandon Spikes' interception return for a touchdown early in the fourth quarter against LSU, but the 10 points that followed came as a result of running the ball. In none of those cases was there an effort to throw and play scoreboard pinball. The other team -- in two of the cases, ranked teams with highly-paid coaches of their own -- just couldn't stop even the watered-down version of the offense. That's their problem.

I'm fine with taking a knee, but the point of the game is to score points. We only have a handful of games by which to compare teams by that standard. I expect those comparisons to be based on complete, 60-minute performances. If you're so good that people get angry at you for not going out of your way to quit trying halfway through, your day has been a staggering success.

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  1. KFD07
    1. Posted by KFD07 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:46 pm EDT

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    OU shows no class when it is running up the score on teams! It is one thing to run the ball and score, or to do it on defense, but to be throwing in the 4th quarter up by four or five touchdowns is BS!!!! Show some class and respect to the other teams!
  2. Ron F
    2. Posted by Ron F Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:49 pm EDT

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    Where were you when tOSU was accused of running it up on Northwestern last month? Or does this rany only apply to annointed SEC and B12 teams?
  3. Double B
    3. Posted by Double B Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm EDT

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    Excellent commentary as usual.
  4. Robert M
    4. Posted by Robert M Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm EDT

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    You fail to point out that Oklahoma was not only passing but also operating out of a no huddle offense in the 4th quarter. When the losing team takes its starters out before the winning team, that's a tip. I know it was because Stoops wanted that 60 points in 5 straight games, I guess a conference championship and a BCS title game berth weren't enough.
  5. man29
    5. Posted by man29 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:05 pm EDT

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    Bob stoops knows he did the wrong thing but that's how he does things..That's why when good teams play Ou in dallas and in bowl games..They run the score up on Ou !!! lol...0-4 in last four bcs games..that says alot...lil no class bobby will get what is for sure to come to him in the big game..I hope florida and Timmy T. stay in until up by maybe 21 or 24 points..Bob knows that will be the only time this season he'll score even 30 points..the other good defenses held Ou to 35 points..Tcu and Texas..And it appears to me that Florida defense is little better than Texas in the secondary..Go gators and Texas fight...
  6. man29
    6. Posted by man29 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:05 pm EDT

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    Ou and lilttle bobby have no class and they suck..
  7. Jimmy J
    7. Posted by Jimmy J Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:35 pm EDT

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    Again..Stoops isnt the only coach in the big 12 with this mentality. It is the job of the opposing coach AND team to stop us..if they do...fine..if they dont...dont whine about it. The other coach in the big 12? Mike Leach of course. Look..even WHEN Leach pulls his starters he runs the same exact offense..which means the 2nd and 3rd stringers are throwing the ball unitl the laces fly off. How else would your backups learn the offense? Practice? Please dont kid yourself that teaches mechanics..but there is no substitute for a 280 pound defensive end trying to do you bodily harm..the coaches arent protecting you..and they dont care if you are the QB or WR...they are going to hit you as hard as legally possible. A few years ago Tech hung 70 on Nebraska..and there was much grumbling about running up the score then..and it appears there still is today. I havent heard one Tech fan in Lubbock complain or whine about getting beat 65 to 21 in Norman..because everyone knows....OU comes to Lubbock every other year..and revenge is best served cold..could happen next year..3 years from now...5 years from now..but someday it will happen. Think not? Who wouldve thought Texas Tech could ever beat Nebraska 70 to 10?
  8. Run It Up When You Get The Chance
    8. Posted by Run It Up When You Get The Chance Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:11 pm EDT

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    Sounds like a bunch of Texas fans on here. Both teams play with 11 players, if you can't stop them, that is your problem, not theirs. I never did understand people getting upset with teams that play the whole 60 minutes. What are they to do, lay down because the other team already has tossed in the white towel? I am not an Oklahoma fan, but what they are doing does not bother me. Read the above blog. He has it dead on. Whine, whine, whine. And people wonder why the country is in the shape it has become. Because we are turning into a nation of wimps and whiners.
  9. ltownokie
    9. Posted by ltownokie Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:29 pm EDT

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    post # 6 hey buddy your just mad because your precious shorthorns aren't playing for it all and the Sooners are. Make sure your spell everything right in posts. And what are you still doing on here reppin the steers from Austin? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
  10. ltownokie
    10. Posted by ltownokie Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:29 pm EDT

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    Run it up you are exactly correct.
  11. HUh!!
    11. Posted by HUh!! Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:06 pm EDT

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    how do you think they passed up other teams, padding stats for voters cause we all know the games arent watched all they look is the end results, cause if they did texas would be ahead but good for us stoops in control cause now it will be a easy nc game, but as normal no class bob lets run up the score..... this is what gives college sports bad reps... a no class program
  12. Kirk G
    12. Posted by Kirk G Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:51 pm EDT

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    I notice that Oklahoma State is conveniently missing from your equation. How was attempting to score a final touchdown (instead of taking a knee) anything other than a risky, unneccessary move? Without the current state of the BCS, it wouldn't have happened, which lends some validity to the opposing point.
  13. Martin O
    13. Posted by Martin O Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:37 pm EDT

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    i fail to see how any of this is a problem.
    these players, coaches, teams; their entire existence right now is to play football. i don't see the problem with continuing to play. especially when the only 2 real "runups" present here are against conference rivals, and in florida's case, a team who mocked them last season.
    if you can't prevent the score from being run up, then you deserve to have it run up on you.
  14. ltownokie
    14. Posted by ltownokie Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:29 pm EDT

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    Everyone who thinks OU runs up the scores must not be an OU fan and there team must not be playing in the National Championship. Whine for me people whine whine whine tell me your favorite team so I can tell you the score OU would beat your favorite team by.
  15. ltownokie
    15. Posted by ltownokie Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:29 pm EDT

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    Hey looney guess it worked didn't it. Thats the system so BOB used it. Its only logic.
  16. Jams
    16. Posted by Jams Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:14 pm EDT

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    I agree with Doc on this one. Score whatever you want. Especially if the other team is supposed to be good, it's your team's duty to let us the spectators know the relative strengths of the teams.
    Plus, if you can't stop 'em, you have no business complaining that they're scoring.
    Think Toyota is going to ease up on their exports to the U.S. now that GM and Ford are struggling? Me neither.
  17. Scott
    17. Posted by Scott Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:03 pm EDT

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    Running up the score is fine by me. I don't see how it's classless to play as much of the game as you are expected to play. However, there is some merit to pulling your first team when you've got the game in hand. Take Ohio State's bludgeoning of Youngstown State earlier this season. Beanie Wells was hurt piling on points (no doubt in pursuit of a Heisman) in the third quarter with a 26-0 lead.
    Was this necessary? Absolutely not. Jim Tressel could have sat on his lead and rested his first string rather than dominate a FCS school (where he incidentally cut his teeth). Barring the peculiarities of running up the score on the school that gave you your start, this is a situation that didn't show excess classlessness, however had it not happened, the outcome of tOSU's season could have been a lot different if Beanie wasn't shelved for the USC game.
  18. Michael
    18. Posted by Michael Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:11 pm EDT

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    I do not care if OU is running their offense in the fourth quarter or not. Here's the rub: Only the starters get to play? Not is that selfish but short sighted. I guess Stoops has forgotten about his most recent loss to Tech in Lubbock.
    When Bradford gets knocked silly, Stoops will wish he had played his backups.
    And, oh, yeah, 45-35 even with Stoops' starters in the game.
  19. adam
    19. Posted by adam Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:46 pm EDT

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    Poor Texas.
  20. rtr
    20. Posted by rtr Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:17 pm EDT

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    You say:
    "Against Arkansas, UF scored on the first play of the fourth quarter to go up 34-7, then effectively went into hibernation mode by running the rest of the game; this still produced two long touchdown runs,"
    Florida beat Arkansas 38-7. It was 17-7 going into the 4th quarter.
  21. Matt H
    21. Posted by Matt H Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:48 pm EDT

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    Kirk G: As I say in the post, the games listed are only games wherein the teams had a three-score lead entering the fourth quarter. Oklahoma was up by 11 on OSU entering the fourth, and it was competitive until the final two minutes. Either way, I find it hard to classify a handoff up the middle (for OU's last touchdown) as "running it up."
  22. Sean R
    22. Posted by Sean R Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:37 pm EDT

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    The reasoning in this post is airtight. There are always good justifications for playing hard until the end. In no way does someone who protests against "running up the score" NOT look like a sad whiner. And yet. Surely it does take a bigger person, a (in some sense) stronger competitor to know when the illogic of sportsmanship should take over for the logic of competitiveness and excellence. No one can or should expect Stoops (or whoever the score-runner-up-of-the-day is) to be other than he is. Nonetheless, I'll still think of of coaches like that as *just* short of the premier level of sportsmen. Excellence is only one part of sport, even if the most prominent or important part.
  23. wsopelika2003
    23. Posted by wsopelika2003 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:51 pm EDT

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    Its one thing to run up the score with your starters ,,,its another to do it with back-ups.Personally i dont care except that to me beating a team by 14 is as good as beating them by 40. What purpose does it serve to beat a team by 40 with your starters in,,,,,none really .Everyone knows that you put a beat down on the other team,so the only real reason to do it is to boost your fragile ego.As in were so good we beat someone by 40.Oklahoma is a good team but their fans need to realize that they have been spanked in their last couple bowl games and the gators will do it again.Not a texas fan but they beat oklahoma heads up and could probably do it again.Not to say what USC would do to them .....the system has them playing for a tiltle ,,that doesnt mean some other teams are not as worthy as they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  24. pine tar
    24. Posted by pine tar Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:55 pm EDT

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    hi adam,
    people, players and coaches w low-u self esteem
    will always feel the need to "kick em when their down."
    many bloggers, sports writers and coaches suffer from this too!
    it is a shame that many of you are too ignorant to understand.
  25. John
    25. Posted by John Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:39 pm EDT

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    “Dr”, you make the case that running up the score was not a pattern for OU or Florida over the course of the season. You excuse the instances where it did occur – OU vs. Mizzou and UF vs. UGA – by saying the opponents were quality teams and the games were big ones.
    I don’t hold it against anyone if they put their 2s and 3s into the game with the intention of running out the clock, and those guys continue to score. But keeping starters in a game that is out of hand and almost over – and still throwing long passes into the end zone - is an intentional act done specifically to humiliate one’s opponent.
    Hey, it’s a strategy. You look macho. Other teams are intimidated. Voters and fans are impressed. Recruits dig you. You can taunt the losers and dance in the center of the field, etc. Like in the old days in 6th grade when you would pummel the daylights out of the 3rd graders because they couldn’t hang with you, and all your buddies cheered and kicked them when they were down. It's cool.
    When you have a superior squad of 17-22 year olds, and the other team has proven incapable of competing, you must subject them to the most degrading defeat possible. Shove their face in it on national television in front of their families and friends. Hey, it’s killer instinct, man! Those losers don’t matter. Get over it Grandpa!
    And all of the fans of the winning school get to walk a little taller. They can taunt others. They become better and more powerful people because their team is so powerful. They wear their OU sweatshirt (even if they didn’t attend OU) and adopt nicknames like SoonerBob and make posts to blogs and feel better about their powerless lives. Because they know winning a college football game is the most important thing in life.
    And degrading your opponent on purpose shows how much you want to win. The lofty goals of institutions of higher education have nothing whatsoever – not even a little bit – to do with it. Heck maybe rules of competition, and even laws and the well-being of the players and other people involved don’t matter. Morality and ethics and sportsmanship certainly don't enter into it. That's for those 3rd graders. For Pop Warner leagues. For anyone who can’t defend themselves. Those who marched on Selma probably believed in fair play. Victims of the Soviet gulags probably cried about ethics and morals. Abstractions!
    The losers don’t matter. They’re not worth talking about or considering. You and I know what’s important, don’t we “Dr”?

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