Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:36 pm EST
Most of the time, when a team winds up starting a true freshman quarterback, the process is just that: Winding, either through injuries or some other minor disaster. Even in the case of an obviously special athlete like Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State didn't want to throw him into the fire -- it was just obvious with Todd Boeckman's collapse at Southern Cal that the Buckeyes had no choice. Ditto pending No. 1 draft choice Matt Stafford, who only ascended to the top of Georgia's depth chart midway through the 2006 season by virtue of senior Joe Tereshinski's all-too-obvious limitations.
Michigan's situation is unique, then, in that the Wolverines are the rare outfit that is virtually certain to start a newbie, and has all offseason to brace for the impact: With four-star recruit Tate Forcier already on campus and only beleaguered walk-on Nick Sheridan on the returning depth chart, Steven Threet's decision to transfer all but guarantees Forcier -- or classmate Denard Robinson, a wannabe Pat White who show up in the summer -- will be the top signal-caller from the first whistle in August.
Usually, this means disaster. Rivals looked at the top freshman quarterbacks of the last five years earlier this week, and even if you disagree with their list (uh, Bo Levi Mitchell over role player Tim Tebow, huh?), it's hard to argue with this much: The pickings are slim. Only two true freshman quarterbacks on that list -- three at most, if you count Erik Ainge -- were unquestioned successes out of the gate, and Chad Henne and Robert Griffin are certainly the exceptions:

It's a mixed bag, except for this: All of the quarterbacks with good records -- say, at least eight wins, even in cases (like Leak and Stafford) when that was considered a disappointment -- were role players with a lot of talent around them, and even quality efforts by surprises like Griffin and Tuitama didn't do much to lift their teams out of mediocrity. The question, then, is whether Michigan is still stocked enough to surround Forcier with the kind of supporting cast that benefitted Ainge, Leak, Henne, Mustain and Stafford (Pryor is not exactly a realistic comparison). If you think so, based on available evidence at the Wolverines' skill positions, who, exactly, might you be referring to? Maybe Brandon Minor in the running game, but that's assuming a vastly improved offensive line.
Of course, success is all relative. In the wake of last year's Chernobyl-like meltdown, .500 and a middling bowl game with a true freshman starter who eventually solidifies himself as a long-term answer might suit Michigan just fine. If you compare the Wolverines to the handiest available precedent, Notre Dame's rebound campaign last year, that's as far as the Irish bounced off their 3-9 disaster, and that was with a sophomore with a full season under his belt and the world at his feet as a recruit. Forcier is very, very reminiscent of a less-hyped, more athletic Jimmy Clausen, another relatively polished California kid preceded by in the big-time college ranks by his older brother. Unlike Charlie Weis, though, who was coming off a pair of BCS bowl bids in his first two seasons in South Bend, Rich Rodriguez can't really afford another mulligan.
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A combination of an iffy offensive line, a freshman QB, inexperienced receivers and a shaky defense with a new coordinator could lead to another 3 win season for the Wolverines.
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with a relatively easy schedule (the big 10 stunk last year, and the top three teams all have significant personnel losses), the extremely high likelihood of last years incredible display of fumbling not recurring, and a second year in the offensive system, it would be hard not to have significant improvement. they're not going to win 10 games, but i'd expect them to be closer to 8 and 9 wins than last year's total of 3, even with a true freshman qb.
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As for a "shaky" offensive line - yes they were in the beginning of the season, but then improved a lot down the stretch. All of the linemen are returning along with a bunch of red shirt freshman who have been learning the system since last year. Take those guys plus a couple true freshmen coming in for depth and I think the line is actually pretty average - not "shaky".
Most of those freshman QB comparison stats are apples to oranges. They are all about PASSING efficiency. Michigans QBs (now that there are no pro-style QBs on the roster) are going to be asked to run A LOT a la Pat White. Since Forcier and Robinson are great runners, I have to assume Rod is going to lean heavily on the run game - Im thinking a 70:30 run to pass ratio. That is good for Michigan considering their strength on offense is the RB position, which returns Brandon Minor (sr.), Carlos Brown (sr.), Michael Shaw (Soph), and Kelvin Grady (sr.).
That being said, the defense will probably be average at best and Forcier will struggle at times. There are 4 guaranteed wins on the schedule and I can also see them beating Purdue on the road since they were mostly horrible last year. That gets it to 5 wins.
5-7 sounds about right for a Michigan team that starts a freshman QB but returns everyone else on offense.
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Last year's Michigan offense lead the nation in 3 and outs. Threet and Sheridan spent most Saturdays running for their lives because of the offensive line's inability to block. Those same guys return this fall. I expect to see more of the same from them.
You couldn't beat Toledo or Illinois last year. Western Michigan beat both of them. And you couldn't beat Purdue. Their QB hung 48 on you in his first start. Good luck finding 5 wins with this group.
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So offensive linemen do not improve between their first year starting and their second year after they have a full year of college play and training in the system under their belts? That's weird. I was pretty sure playing and practicing under a system helped you become better.
In addition, while Threet and Sheridan were spending their time running for their lives, they were not doing what they were built to do, which is step back into a pocket and let fly. Forcier is a scrambler, and the most accurate dual-threat QB in this freshman class. He is used to running, as well as making passes on the run. I'm not calling 9 wins, but I would not be surprised with 7-5 and a bowl trip with the schedule they have. Also, Western Michigan can look forward to playing Michigan sans their QB and eight other senior starters from last year, uncluding both CBs and both safeties, so I wouldn't pretend that they will be the same team they were last year. It's a mistake Legal B make with both WMU and Michigan.
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TP threw 15 times a game.
And Tate Forcier couldn't hold Terrelle's jock strap.
At least Weis could recruit. RR can't even do that any better than past Michigan coaches.
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Re: Pryor, he's not a fair comparison for Forcier because Pryor was the No. 1 recruit in the country and obviously is an exceptional athlete who would have started from day one at a lot of schools, including Michigan. Forcier's projections/ceiling (nor almost any other quarterback's of the last five years) is nowhere near Pryor's. Pryor also stepped into a very good situation with Beanie Wells and OSU's defense. He attempted 149 passes in the 10 games he started, so that's about 15 per game.
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Now on the other hand, they have a new defensive coordinator and the defense was definitely suspect last season. And they lose a few starters.
And don't forget, they have veteran backup Cone.
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A healthy Brandon Minor next year should help in the transition. I don't think RR will rely so heavily on the run though. I think RR will use a lot of the short passing game, and try to go downfield when the defense is sleeping. I think the balance will be around 60/40 to the run. Also, having a healthy T. Robinson and J. Hemingway will help. UM has the offensive weapons, let's just hope Tate or Denard can spread the ball around effectively.
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What an asinine statement. I mean, I know it's the internet, but come on, try to at least have a fact to back up your argument. Two top-10 recruiting classes in his first two years, including a first year where he had about a month to finish off the 2008 class? A #7 finish this year? Notre Dame is 21st for 2009 recruiting, so there that little gem goes. "Not being able to recruit any better than previous Michigan coaches" isn't that harsh of an assessment either, if you take two seconds to think about it.
Finally, why not give Tate a chance to play before knocking him? Besides, the last we saw of Pryor was him running out of bounds two yards short of a first down on another drive-killing 3rd down play vs. Texas.
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in my sons jr and sr year he received tons of letters from all the pack 10’s (except usc)and beyond all over to be honest, he finished very strong his sr yr and it’s as if he fell below the radar, it is very disappointing for all of us family, school, community etc. he was league mvp, cif, broke school records set by former usc player chauncey washington, a decent student 1st team offense, all area…and nothing we got him a website for him to gain additional exposure, and the waiting game is kinda over he has come to realize it’s probably going to be jc.they are beating down our doors!! www.johnwhitehighlights.com chk it out. (still hopefull)
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Are u dumb or just blind and deaf! Michigan win 9 games this year? have you even looked at the schedule. Good luck on that one man LMAO!!
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#23- This is a college program. His program should be set in no more than 2 years. Kids normally cycle through every 3,4 or (in redshirt cases) 5 years. Within 2-3 years, Coach Rodriguez should have experienced players, from great recruiting classes, at all positions.
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