Dr. Saturday - NCAAF

First, a quick ode to A.J. Green, the best amateur receiver in America and the rare player for whom the box score can do no justice whatsoever:

Now, to the business at hand: Everyone has spent the last two days ripping uptight SEC officials for the celebration penalty that followed that touchdown and helped set up LSU in great position for the winning points, even if the Tigers had ultimately kicked a field goal instead of busting free for a dramatic touchdown of their own to overshadow Green's acrobatics. I mean quite literally everyone, from those irresponsible bloggers to indignant mainstream barkers to sober insiders to yours truly ... and, as of this afternoon, the head of SEC officials:

The excessive celebration penalty against Georgia's A.J. Green late in Saturday's game with LSU should not have been called, the SEC supervisor of officials has told CBSSports.com.

Rogers Redding, the SEC supervisor of officials, said Monday that after reviewing video of the play, "I've concluded that it was one that we probably should have let go."
"We tell our guys not to go looking for this stuff but if it's right in your face, you have to call it," Redding said. "He (the SEC official) is beating himself up pretty bad over this one."

So there you go: The man is sorry, Georgia. Hugs?

Not that Redding didn't recall the subsequent celebration on Charles Scott following his game-winning touchdown, which had "make-up call" written all over it, or the earlier unsportsmanlike call on Georgia's Orson Charles on key a reception inside the Tiger 10-yard line in the third quarter -- in fact, Redding explicitly stood behind them both. From where I sit, the only way to justify the call against Scott's "celebration" is as a make-up call, because you can't rightly throw a flag on Green for nothing on one end and not throw it for roughly equivalent nothing on the other, and the fact that LSU's subsequent kickoff also came from its own 15-yard line, just like Georgia's following the penalty on Green, should have offset the first bogus call and quieted the Bulldogs' complaints. It didn't, of course, but it should have.

This is one of the rare cases where two wrongs actually did make a right, even if the league can't officially absolve itself with that argument. Just as long as "an eye for an eye" doesn't become the standard operating procedure -- we don't need hands chopped off after drops in front 80,000 or anything -- I'm willing to file this snafu under "resolved."

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  1. MOSScomeBACK2vikes
    1. Posted by MOSScomeBACK2vikes Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:14 pm EDT

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    First off AJ is the BEST WR in college. Hated the call when I saw it...cant blame the loss just on that bad call though. I would have liked to see georgia kick it out of bounds on purpose. LSU would get it at the 40. Instead they returned it past midfield and add a 5 yd penalty on top of it.
  2. D.N. Nation
    2. Posted by D.N. Nation Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:17 pm EDT

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    "I'm willing to file this snafu under 'resolved.'"
    Nope.
  3. tbasse1
    3. Posted by tbasse1 Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:38 pm EDT

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    LSU fan here, I agree that this cannot be filed as 'resolved' based on the clear make-up call following the AJ penalty. The timing of the two calls combined with the return LSU had made the result of the calls eventually fall in favor of LSU, which had the advantage of a returner that could do exactly what he did. If the reverse situation had happened I would certainly not be satisfied after the opponent had the advantage of swinging the momentum in their own favor.
    The referee should beat himself up about this, but perhaps this will call attention to a rule that is clearly over-enforced, especially in the SEC. There will be other opportunities for that referee to work on making better decisions, and it is a shame that he had to learn this lesson at the possible expense of a team that played a great game against a good team... but mistakes do happen, even to the best players and referees. It is their own job and the job of the league to learn from them.
  4. 4.0 Point Stance
    4. Posted by 4.0 Point Stance Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:03 pm EDT

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    MOSS the rule is not that the receiving team gets the ball at the 40. It's that the receiving team gets the ball 30 yards from the spot of the kick. So LSU would've gotten the ball at the UGA 45.
  5. m
    5. Posted by m Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:02 pm EDT

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    AJ Green's no Michael Floyd.
    Keep dreaming homers.
  6. timothy
    6. Posted by timothy Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:03 pm EDT

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    For fear of getting beat up this week,i am just gonna say the officiating was bad for both teams. they called the same penalty against lsu. i did not see anything to be called a penalty. furthermore i think that when you accomplish the amazing feat of getting in the endzone, some celebration should be allowed as long as it is done in good taste. good luck next week and geaux tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  7. CARL
    7. Posted by CARL Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:32 pm EDT

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    Let's see, so far this season LSU has gone on the road and beaten a PAC-10 team that later beat USC, and has also beaten two conference teams on the road. Sure, none were in convincing fashion, but they are still UNDEFEATED 5 games into the season. They still have Florida, Auburn, Alabama, and Ole Miss, who are a combined 19-1. {that's a guess, I haven't checked the standings}. SEC teams have a meat-grinder of a conference schedule, and yet still have 4 of the last 6 National Champs. It boggles the mind. If the Bayou Bengals win the game saturday night, the game against Alabama will be bigger than the Beatles.
  8. robert
    8. Posted by robert Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:43 pm EDT

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    i agree it was a bad call wich resulted in a "make things even" call. but these two penaltys have nothing to do with the outcome of the game. all in all it was a fun game to watch. Both teams should be very proud of the way they played
  9. STEVENR
    9. Posted by STEVENR Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:49 pm EDT

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    All I can say is I watched the game and there was bad calls from the refs throughout!
  10. oprahsfatbutt
    10. Posted by oprahsfatbutt Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:54 am EDT

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    He should beat himself up. In fact he should step down from officiating. His bad call caused Ga to loose the game. How much money will this cost UGA in the way of bowl games. Sorry not interested in any pathetic excuses. Who says this official didn't have money on the game? Yea I bet he's real tore up about it. No problem, bottom line is this guy is just like everyone else, a liar and a cheat. "The penalty has nothing to do with the outcome of the game." That's very observant. Except the facts are it handed the game to LSU. Like I said i hope the Ref made plenty of money on the game to help out with "his" suffering.
  11. fantasygunner
    11. Posted by fantasygunner Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:40 am EDT

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    Matt,
    "... the fact that LSU's subsequent kickoff also came from its own 15-yard line, just like Georgia's following the penalty on Green, should have offset the first bogus call and quieted the Bulldogs' complaints. It didn't, of course, but it should have.This is one of the rare cases where two wrongs actually did make a right..."
    To equate the two situations is really, really simplistic. Your contention that they are the same lacks context. LSU needed a field goal to win, UGA needed a touchdown, and with less time on the clock. Please, stop being dumb.
  12. David
    12. Posted by David Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:50 am EDT

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    First of all LSU is a bit over-rated, but not to take away from their record, they are still 5-0. The penalty was a bad call and everyone knows football is a game of momentum so timing is everything when calls like this are made. No excuses though for Georgia because they still had a chance to stop LSU and did not. I am not an SEC fan, but the conference is strong right now, but I'm not sure they have the best team. I think LSU can and will beat Florida this weekend with or without Te-blow but everyone knows excuses will be made and again that comes down to momentum. Bama wins the conference and will meet Texas for the national championship, but will lose.
  13. i'mright
    13. Posted by i'mright Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:02 am EDT

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    Georgia got screwed and LSU is the luckiest f-n program in the ncaa. plain and simple(PERIOD).
  14. JEFF P
    14. Posted by JEFF P Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:05 am EDT

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    Big Dawgs fan here. It is hard for me to put the loss on that one call. I mean we did play 58 other minutes. However, to say that the call on LSU made up for the Georgia call is neglecting to take into account the game situation. LSU only need a field goal and had over a minute. Georgia had to protect against short yardage (which they did not, DAMN) . That is a whole lot different than Georgia needing a touchdown and only have about 40 seconds. All LSU had to defend was the end zone. Plus, the rule says you can not involve the crowd in your celebration or bring attention to yourself. Scott pointed up at the crowd to bring attention to him. His penalty was correct. Green was celebrating with teammates and never involved the crowd or brought attention to him. The penalty on Georgia was bogus, period. And, while I can not say it cost the game. I can say it completely changed the complexion of the situation and ruined a great game.
  15. i'mright
    15. Posted by i'mright Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:06 am EDT

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    FOR WHO EVER ERASED MY COMMENT: Georgia got SCREWED and LSU is the luckiest freakin program in the NCAA. PLAIN AND SIMPLE
  16. JEFF P
    16. Posted by JEFF P Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:07 am EDT

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    Matt - you beat me to it. Just got your post up first. I was not copying you.
  17. DAN-O
    17. Posted by DAN-O Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:31 am EDT

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    Penalties for "celebrations" are, possibly, the most misplaced, idiotic -- repeat, IDIOTIC -- "punishments" ever entered in the rulebooks.
    Why shouldn't players express jubilation after big plays? Why stop that? [Exception: The celebration must not interfere with normal time-keeping.]
    Penalize the morons who ever came up with the idea of tossing flags for post-play celebrations. Find them, wherever they are hiding, and turn them over to members of teams which have LOST games because a teammate decided to do a little dance in the end zone.
    "But, someone might take a swing at the dancer!" Well, OOOOooooo.
    Penalize the jerk who can't control his physical reaction to the dancer. Throw out the old rule, and create a new one: Any verbal or physical attack stemming from celebration by an opposing team will cause automatic forfeiture of the game. No mitigation, no excuses. Period
  18. JohnP
    18. Posted by JohnP Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:46 pm EDT

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    How can this be a "even" situation? If LSU wasn't already in FG position after the kick return, would they have even considered running the ball? I think not. LSU was looking FG and trying to get closer than the 38 yard-line to kick it. Assuming the penalty had not been called, and the return was the same. LSU would have started on their own 47 (15 yds back from the GA 38). Would they still be running it to get into field goal range? Highly doubtful. A "makeup call" doesn't always level the playing field.
  19. Gator6644
    19. Posted by Gator6644 Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:44 pm EDT

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    Florida and LSU will be the highlight of this week's college games. No doubt one of them will win the national championship this year. SEC has the most top ranked teams in their conference (higher average standing) and is unstoppable. The only ones who can stop the SEC is the SEC themselves. LSU played an average game, Georgia dominated and should have won. What a shame, like Meyer says, that the officiating feels the need to interfere with such a great game. However, the Gators are the best team in the nation with the most talent,...even their second and third string players could beat 90% of the college teams out there. Good luck LSU, you will need it this Saturday. My prediction, LSU 10, UF 56.
  20. Gator6644
    20. Posted by Gator6644 Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:47 pm EDT

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    Oh, between LSU and Florida.....they have won the national championship the last three years. How bout that for a highlight game of the week.
  21. silvestris48
    21. Posted by silvestris48 Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:36 pm EDT

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    The calls were BS. Why did the NCAA clamp down on excessive celebration. I think it was because the entire Georgia team stormed the end zone a couple of years ago following a touchdown. And that was excessive celebration.
  22. BLT
    22. Posted by BLT Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:54 pm EDT

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    I don't think these college kids should be allowed to have fun playing a game. For crying out loud, I'd throw the penalty every time the QB pumps his fist. Or a 15 yarder every time a sack is made and they bump their teammates. If you run off the field in celebration, damn it, you should be ejected.
    Having fun at a game? How dare the NCAA allow that to happen!
  23. James S
    23. Posted by James S Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:08 pm EDT

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    All I can say is "brutal". I hate when a ref makes a mistake that ultimately costs a team a must have game. On the other hand, we are all human and need to remember that.
    I can't believe the schedule that these SEC teams have to play every year. Imagine how each of the SEC schools would look if they could play 2 fewer SEC rivalry games each year?
    I know, I know, everyone wants to keep saying that the SEC is overrated but I disagree. I dont see any other conference having to play as many games against quality teams this year or in the previous few years.
    It's already 5 weeks in but there is still a lot of GREAT football left!! Saturdays are my favorite day of the week!!
  24. silvestris48
    24. Posted by silvestris48 Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:40 pm EDT

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    I would rather be an SEC Champion with two losses in the Sugar Bowl than the holder of the crystal football. Until the powers that be allow for a playoff, the National will in most years be somewhat fictional.
    I say keep the BCS. Let the top eight teams play in the traditional bowls. The next week the four winners play in two of the traditional bowl venues and the next week, the two survivors play in one of the other traditional bowl venues for the National Championship. The bowls rotate such that three of the traditional bowls have two games each year with the odd man out rotating. More money for the bowls and a real champion decided on the field.
  25. galenpac
    25. Posted by galenpac Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:43 pm EDT

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    How does making the same call again make it ok? When Georgia got the ball back there was less than a minute left.

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