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Much has been made the past week or so of Florida's string of legal run-ins under Urban Meyer, which at some point recently hit the apparently magic number of 24 arrests in four years. If this were our school, and we operated on the same peninsula as Miami, we would simply shrug, grin and accept the inherited title of "Thug U," while shamelessly flashing the attendant series of national championship rings.

Florida, on the other hand, is playing defense in a most unusual fashion after the Orlando Sentinel rolled out the complete list Tuesday, first with a standard-issue statement by Urban Meyer, which -- while weird -- is just banal and non-specific enough to defend. Less feasible is what's supposed to pass as a mitigating breakdown of the team's legal skirmishes thus far. By the school's own count:

• Only three arrests from the last three recruiting classes (including 2009)
• At least 14 of the charges were dropped in the 24 cases
• 14 of the 24 player arrests have been from players he did not recruit or were in his first recruiting class
• The 24 arrests represents 19 different players
• Arrests by recruiting class (under Meyer)
 - Six did not recruit
 - Eight in first class
 - Seven in second class
 - Two in third class
 - One in fourth class
 - None in fifth class

College Football Talk delivers the relevant PR lesson here: "It's never good when you've got your media relations department breaking down your recruiting classes by arrest." If the Gators aren't careful, this needless spin cycle is going to end up drawing more negative attention to the program than the arrest reports did in the first place.

This is an inexplicable and bizarre move for a program that, for all its trouble keeping players out of orange jumpsuits, doesn't seem to be taking on water by anyone's standards. If they've got enough starters suiting up to keep blowing out opponents week in and week out, are the fans really going to be that bothered? (Or have I, as a Tennessee alumna, just lost all perspective over the years on the significance of player arrests?)

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  1. _el_presidente
    1. Posted by _el_presidente Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:08 pm EDT

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    If this were Miami in its glory days, there would be concern over the recent recruiting classes and their lack of production off of the field.
  2. Year2
    2. Posted by Year2 Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:15 pm EDT

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    If Florida was going to make this argument, it went about it in the wrong way. Remember when Matt deconstructed Spurrier's "most wins in a four year period ever" line by looking at winning percentage? Let's apply the same thing here.
    2005: 2 per year average (8 in 4 years)
    2006: 2 per year (7 in 3.5 years)
    2007: 0.8 per year (2 in 2.5 years)
    2008: 0.67 per year (1 in 1.5 years)
    The rate of arrests per class per year is going down. Yeah it's ridiculous to be going over things in this way, but just giving raw numbers is a bit on the disingenuous side. I mean yeah, of course the recent classes are going to have fewer arrests; they've not been on campus as long. I guess the other tactic would be too look at per capita arrests by the size of class, but that's a bit overkill.
    And for what it's worth, the Sentinel's list at least shows that discipline has been consistent. Any time the charges stuck or were dropped in favor of court ordered stuff (community service, probation, counseling), the player was suspended at least a game. If charges were dismissed or dropped with nothing further from the courts, then no suspensions were handed out.
  3. bobby
    3. Posted by bobby Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:04 pm EDT

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    first let me comment on the state full of criminals fl is one of the largest states in the union and has one of the lower crime rates and over 75% of the crime that is commited in fl is committed by people from other states. now the comment about miami setting the bar on fielding a team of felons are you just plain stupid or do you always make up facts as you go. miami has the lowest arrest record for the past three years and is second in the nation behind only bc when it comes to thier "felons" getting college degrees and has more players playing in the nfl then any team in america. now that all being said maybe you would like to tell us where you are from so we can get you some facts on your team
  4. FL is America s Wang
    4. Posted by FL is America's Wang Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:50 pm EDT

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    Clearly robert d, you are the product of Florida's terrible public school system, staffed mostly with teacher's more concerned with scoring meth or seducing 14 year olds then educating the future-felons-of-florida. "75% of the crime is committed by people from other states"? 100% of things you say are insanely stupid. 100% of the things you say are wrong. And, as anybody with a non-florida 5th grade education (the equivalent of a masters from "Da U") could have told you, the Miami comment showed the progression of crime and college athletics in Florida, from the 80s when Thug U first came around, to the 90s when FSU joined in, to now. You are a moron. Miami having a low arrest rate recently and Miami being a terrible team recently are not coincidental.
  5. Ohio Tiger
    5. Posted by Ohio Tiger Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:57 pm EDT

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    Unbelievable. osu can't beat them in a bowl game and barely stays ahead of them in the criminal department.
  6. just4funsies
    6. Posted by just4funsies Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:15 am EDT

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    Yo "Wang"... You sure do use a lot of statistics in your verbal diarrhea... Where did you get them? I don't think I'd throw stones if I were you. (and THANK GOD I'm NOT you...)
  7. PhilipH
    7. Posted by PhilipH Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:06 am EDT

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    The 24 arrests represents 19 different players - is that a good or a BAD thing?!? LOL.
  8. PB
    8. Posted by PB Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:31 am EDT

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    Consistent, maybe. But three words: Ronnie Wilson AK-47
  9. saturdaynitelights.com
    9. Posted by saturdaynitelights.com Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:46 am EDT

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    Candor requires that all of us, irrespective of our rooting allegiances, admit that the most prominent programs in the Country have faced cyclical law-breaking when it comes to their football program. USC, Tennessee, Penn State, Ohio State, South Carolina, and "Free Shoes U" all come to mind as having similar runs of arrests in relatively recent history.
    So throwing stones at any one program is banal at best, and irrelevant in the scheme of things i.e. wins, TV ratings, and bowl money will continue to drive the sport, which bye the bye, is built on the backs on 18 to 21 year-old men, many of whom hail from less than ideal upbringings.
    While we're being honest with ourselves, let's also admit that all of us were on some level irresponsible, immature, and self-absorbed when we were 18, and college football players are no different. In fact, given the pressure, notoriety and accolades heaped upon them, football players at all of the major "factories" are more or less par for the course.
    A deep breath is what is necessary. The idiots piling on the Gators hated the them before this recent report, and will hate them long after its faded from our collective conscience. Those who root for the Gators, will continue to do so and revel in the "scoreboard", without a second thought about "Arrest Gate."
    And, Urban will handle this the way he handles all challenges-taking steps to improve himself, his coaches and his players, and kicking ass along the way.
  10. Acid Gambit
    10. Posted by Acid Gambit Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:56 am EDT

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    Matt, can you introduce me to Ashley Russell?
  11. chris z
    11. Posted by chris z Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:40 am EDT

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    Ronnie wilson is not part of the team
  12. Ray
    12. Posted by Ray Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:59 am EDT

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    what people need to remember these are kids and they are going to make mistakes.it happens at every college in the country and ill bet just as much, some time they just dont get caught in the act.And now if you start with kids not playing sports,how many are arrested every weekend, ill tell you those numbers are insane. And one more thing we dont always no the whole story,In jenkins case if some one tried to still his necklace i dont blame him,some one tris to steal from me i get more crazy and break their neck.so these KIDS should not have there names smeared just from a mistake that not one person and the world can say they have never done.WE all make mistakes.
  13. PB
    13. Posted by PB Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:34 pm EDT

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    Ronnie Wilson isn't part of the team, correct. And I applaud Corch Meyers for kicking him off. Except for the fact that he LET HIM BACK ON in the first place. Discharging an AK47 in public? Sure, just the whims of a young 18-22 year old. So for full disclosure - I and a group of whimsical friends did raid a dormatory with water guns once. And in another incident, yes, said friends and I were briefly detained by campus police for water ballooning coeds in white tshirts who were running on sidewalks. No charges were filed so I was fortunate to resume my college football career.
  14. allsport
    14. Posted by allsport Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:01 pm EDT

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    Hey ,, fl is americas wang. its a good thing that you dont like florida. we already have enough of you bozos moving here as it is. your woeds are pointed and offensive. spoken like a true ok fan, or is it ou. hey, did we suddenly give osbornes nebraska asylum? its everywhere , not just florida. clean up your own school. you can handle that with your fifth grade education , (cant you?). i am a native floridian. i dont commit crimes. we are the wang of the nation and we're proud of it. (it looks like the u.s. is taking a leak on cuba) go wangs. last but not least. our criminals will beat the pants off of your fifth grade educated choir boys. get a life. i certainly hope youre not married. no woman deserves a pinhead hubby like that
  15. Spazzy McGee
    15. Posted by Spazzy McGee Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:59 pm EDT

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    I disagree that Florida is America's wang. The male penis is instrumental in human reproduction and increased nerve endings make its stimulation a pleasurable experience. Being in Florida is the opposite of a pleasurable experience.
    Florida is more like a poop log actively being [profane] out by Georgia: smelly, hot, and full of microbes.
  16. FL is America s Wang
    16. Posted by FL is America's Wang Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:20 pm EDT

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    Thanks 'mike d' for providing further proof that Florida is a state full of half-retarded criminals. Why is nearly every post by a Florida-defender full of typos, misspellings, lack of punctuation, and complete ignorance of grammar? Keep writing completely nonsensical rants, because at least it proves somebody from Florida is semi-literate.
  17. Joshgator
    17. Posted by Joshgator Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:19 pm EDT

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    "Wang"... I would love to disprove your "well-researched" theory on the "semi-literacy" of Floridians. In order to do this, I propose a challenge. Let's see if you have a "Wang" or are you truly "Wang-less". The challenge is: what is your highest level of education as well as what state(s) you were educated in and what do you do for your career (and if you want, you can also add in your family members' education/career). Then we will compare those to my education/career and that of my family and we will see just how "semi-literate" Floridians are. Or are you too chicken to put your money where your mouth is?
  18. just4funsies
    18. Posted by just4funsies Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:29 am EDT

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    Hey Wang... I checked my previous post for spelling and grammar errors and found NONE. However, YOUR post #5 has an erroneous apostrophe and a misspelling in the FIRST SENTENCE. Maybe YOU should go back to school... provided any will HAVE you. JACKASS...
  19. Matt
    19. Posted by Matt Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:42 am EDT

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    Wang -- what state are you from?
    And, by the way, you don't know what you're talking about.
    "...and now Florida, the long-time red-headed step-child of FL football finally gets into the thug game full time."
    You obviously know nothing about football in the state of Florida. Again, please tell us what state you're from.
  20. WayneS
    20. Posted by WayneS Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:56 am EDT

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    What the greakdown shows is a trend. Maybe Meyer is changing the way Florida is perceived by recruits. Hard to tell. Maybe the new class will muck up also, maybe not. Time will tell. Having gone to UF I can say the local police can tend to be pretty quick to arrest someone, and this from someone who grew up in Houston(!). So my questions to Holly are: If there had been 10 arrests over Meyers time at UF (taking out the 14 that were dropped) would you still want UF to be "Thug U" and how does either 10 or 24 compare to other programs around the US and Florida? Did you look into either if the charges dropped were merited or if the 10 or 24 arrests over this timeframe compares poorly (or favorably) in comparison to other major programs? Would have been a longer blog if you had......
  21. allsport
    21. Posted by allsport Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:03 pm EDT

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    Hey wang,,,, true that! i am not the most educated person walking the face of the earth. but i was taught enough at an early enough age that i make looooooooooooooots of money and dont have to have a degree to measure manhood and worth. (was looooooots to bad of grammer for you to comprehend? it means "lots" as in bunches. hows bunches for some more bad grammer) i am really glad that you dont like florida. as for florida football. theres no better place to be. im sorry that you dont like florida. if you did, you could come and experience a passion for college football that not many are fortunate enough to have the chance to experience. (all of my fellow "uneducated" floridians know what we are talking about.) i dont normally do blogs. you should pride yourself in the fact that you actually hit a nerve with me so deep that i logged on and replied. at least you would have something to pride yourself on. we (florida fans) are sorry that the only excitement you can get out of football is when youre bashing someone elses (winning) program. hey ,,, i wish your team was better. their not!! so get over it and tune into the florida games this year. as for spazzy mcgee. spoken like a true ga fan. while i didnt start this to insult states or programs. i got a little news for ya. (hey wang,,, how bout that? ya!! more bad grammer) the st johns river flows north for a reason you dumb a$$. the "uneducated floridians know that its because ga sucks! yap all ya want fellows and gals. i have to go.
  22. Joshgator
    22. Posted by Joshgator Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:51 pm EDT

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    I see by the lack of response that "Wang" is a chicken[profane] Wang-less coward since he hasn't responded to my challenge. Ok, from now on, anytime that idiot writes anything, everybody should call him a Wang-less coward!
  23. jack mehoggoff
    23. Posted by jack mehoggoff Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:28 am EDT

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    ok

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