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Stanford 45, Notre Dame 38. If Charlie Weis is even half as fired as everyone says he is -- as even Weis himself seems to think he is -- then you wouldn't think there was anything that could have happened tonight that could have saved him, or done much for his morale on the way out of the most high profile job in the country. The hay was already in the barn, as they say: There wasn't even all that much pride at stake in beating the Cardinal.

I hope for Weis' sake that was true, because imagining any coach in his unenviable position who still really, deeply cared about salvaging a winning season -- or, worse, his job -- only to watch his team blow a double-digit lead by being outscored 25-7 over the last 24 minutes en route to its fourth straight loss is too depressing, especially when that coach has gone through as much as Weis has over the last month. It would be one thing if the Irish had "quit," or come out flat and been steamrolled like they were in this spot last November, when they closed out a November fade to 6-6 by failing to gain a single first down in a 38-3 bludgeoning at USC. And in fact the Irish defense was bludgeoned, repeatedly, by Mack truck tailback Toby Gerhart, whose All-American persona and thundering style may have vaulted the West Coast's answer to the Hulk into the Heisman lead with a 200-yard, three-touchdown rampage through the ND defense.

But the effort was all there from the offense, which delivered probably its best performance of the season behind a 340-yard, five-touchdown assault by Jimmy Clausen, three of those strikes to Golden Tate, who probably (or should have, anyway) locked up the Biletnikoff Award as the nation's best receiver. These guys -- along with the freakish Michael Floyd, who hauled in Clausen's other two touchdowns -- who Weis recruited and is directly responsible for as de facto offensive coordinator and play-caller, have lived up to every ounce of the hype this year; this is a team averaging almost 29 points and 450 yards in its losses, with myriad late comebacks staving off more early in the year.

Relevance when the sun rises for Sunday Mass in South Bend: By all indications, zero. The numbers that matter are six (the number of losses each of the last two seasons), 27 (the number of losses Weis has accumulated in five seasons), four (the length of the Irish's latest losing streak) and one (the number of wins Weis earned over teams that finished in the final AP top 25). And beginning Sunday, those will all give way to the new big number this week, the countdown of the days until Weis is officially sent packing.

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  1. Manny E
    1. Posted by Manny E Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:31 am EST

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    Gerhart for Heisman
  2. PaulT
    2. Posted by PaulT Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:37 am EST

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    Gerhart was the fourth best offensive player in this one game between two unranked teams. So, no Heisman.
    Tate should get the Biletnikoff, tho. If Shipley gets it that's a shame.
  3. PaulT
    3. Posted by PaulT Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:39 am EST

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    Also it's bizarre that this is about Weis; no one on any halfway intelligent ND board has seriously discussed him (in the context of current ND coach) for like, two or three weeks.
  4. JP Girouard
    4. Posted by JP Girouard Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:43 am EST

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    As much as I think Jimmy Clausen is a prick who will go Ryan Leaf at the next level, he has been tremendous at QB for the Irish this year. I'm not sure why he isn't in the mix for the major QB awards, other than the fact he plays for a middling team.
  5. Manny E
    5. Posted by Manny E Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:53 am EST

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    yea those 26 touchdowns (#1 in Pac 10 History bypassing OJ Simpson, Marcus Allen, Corey Dillon, and other greats) and 1,736 yds (which leads the nation) aren't important at all. i mean rushing for 120+ yds in the past 6 games doesn't matter either. He's usually one of the best offensive player during a game and in this situation was it his fault his defense could barely hold Tate and Clausen?
  6. Bird man
    6. Posted by Bird man Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:07 am EST

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    So can we please now stop the excuses about ND losing out due to rigorous academic standards? Stanford is one of the best schools in the country, yet they seem to have no problem prying themselves away from the books to hand ND another L. ND's mediocrity has more to do with poor coaching than it does the intellectual caliber.
  7. brian s
    7. Posted by brian s Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:10 am EST

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    hahaha the irish lose and once again the irish "faithful" are calling for him to be burned at the stake! I love it, love it, love it!
  8. smock514
    8. Posted by smock514 Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:22 am EST

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    @PaulT:
    4th best offensive player? I'll agree that Clausen was impressive, but Toby's line looks better to me than Tate's or Floyd's.
    Toby: 205 yards rushing, 3 rushing TDs, 18 yards passing, 1 passing TD, 33 yards receiving
    Tate: 201 yards receiving, 3 receiving TDs, 15 yards rushing
    Floyd: 85 yards receiving, 2 receiving TDs
    I'm not sure how the comparison breaks down between RBs and WRs, but Toby would have had more fantasy points (more than Clausen, too!). :D
  9. NightWing
    9. Posted by NightWing Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:39 am EST

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    I say again...Notre Lame will NOT fire Chuckie Weis! Remember, this is the Notre Lame Athletic Department and Administration that unceremoniously and shabbily treated Ty Willingham and gave Chuckie a MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT EXTENSION...and all you Golden Domers were all GAGA over your new savior...
    So, of course Chuckie's not going to be fired! In fact, Notre Lame is going to reward him with his BRILLIANT 6-6 record with ANOTHER MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT EXTENSION! And, in Breaking News, NBC is going to re-up its contract with Notre Lame for another 20 years!
    KARMA, KARMA, KARMA...Touchdown Buddha is kicking Touchdown Jesus' arse...The Karma-Revenge of Ty Willingham is all UPSIDE YOUR HEAD, NOTRE LAME.
    GO, FEEBLE IRISH!
  10. David B
    10. Posted by David B Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:21 am EST

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    No offense NightWing - but when the athletic director orders you to return to Indiana and not proceed with the annual, pre-planned California recruiting, that is the sign you are being fired. Charlie Weis is done.
  11. andybreidenbach
    11. Posted by andybreidenbach Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:27 am EST

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    Funny how Irish fans have been making a big deal about how all the Irish losses this year have been by 7 points or less. Until the Trojans got waxed by Oregon, that was their first loss by more than 7 points since 2001 (coincedently by ND.) The bar has been set pretty low if Irish fans are impressed with that stat. BTW, hope you stay with Charlie. He's easy to kick around and keeps your program on the ground.
  12. Thomas M
    12. Posted by Thomas M Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:44 am EST

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    gerhart better atleast be a heisman finalist. the numbers he has put up this year are redic and he has basically carried this stanford team to an 8-4 record. Who would have thought that going into the last 2 weeks of the season that stanford would have a legit shot at the rose bowl? In a yr when no one has really stepped up to take charge of the heisman race gerhart has. 4th best player in the game though? Sorry, but were we even watching the same game? Gerhart was his usual punishing self and even threw the game tying touchdown and then ran in the winner. Gerhart needs to be there. If he is not a finalist it goes to show its just a popularity contest between the top players from schools adored by the media.
  13. ricjamz
    13. Posted by ricjamz Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:11 am EST

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    Nightwing, I agree with U 2000 percent, the way ND did Ty Willingham was totally wrong! THANKS
  14. powdersdad1
    14. Posted by powdersdad1 Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:26 am EST

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    HAHAHAHAHA - Guess what God is saying to the Gipper up in Heaven: "Get off my side!" HAHAHAHA
    Start with the crying and whining Notre Dame fans ..... oh yeah, be sure to count the zeroes on Weiss's goodbye check! HAHAHAHAHA
    Truly, only one thing would be even better and that'd be if the Irish came up in a cheating scam under Charlie's watch - nope, that'd be wishing too much!!
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    As a recovering Catholic, I'm actually going to mass this morning and crack Notre Dame football jokes - got a doozy about Lou Holtz, wanna hear it?
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    A really nice job of takling - everyone in the stadium and on TV understood Stanford's gameplan but somehow your Irish defense missed the memo .... I'd be signing my transfer papers right now if I was Michael Floyd; what a waste of talent - HAHAHAHAHA
    Must stop and thank God that he/she has a sense of humor and created Notre Dame football!
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
  15. Fritz
    15. Posted by Fritz Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:17 am EST

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    The super duper code name for the ND Defense is "Crispy Critters" because they get burned often.
  16. michael s
    16. Posted by michael s Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:45 am EST

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    For all you Stanford fans Ty Willingham was a lousey coach.He did a lousey job of recruiting.Charlie Wiess was a good offensive coach but ignored the defense he wasn't a complete coach but he did a good job recruting.He will leave the next coach in much better position to win then when he took over.
    How do you think your running back deserves even a look at the heisman yes he was the best runing back in a weak ass PAC 10.
    He hasnt even come close to what Ingram from alabama or Dixon from ms. state has done against the best conf. in college football the SEC and this from a Notre Dame fan not an SEC fan
  17. powdersdad1
    17. Posted by powdersdad1 Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:10 am EST

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    Thanks Michael S. - the poster child for apologists of Irish football. Only a clown would rationalize the value of 1/2 a coach (Wiess was good on offense but not defense??) - that's why you will continue to write checks and buy garbage merchandise from Notre Dame. See, I don't know it if you realize it but those folks COUNT on you to blindly follow their team and make excuses for mediocrity - I wonder if NBC is drinking the same koolaid as you Michael S .... nope, they're busy picking your pocket! HAHAHAHAHA
  18. chuck
    18. Posted by chuck Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:26 am EST

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    i good suggestion for ND, RECRUIT THE SOUTH! we can cry or not cry over Ty or any other coach that was wrongfully fired. in coaching there are two kinds of coaches, ones that have been fired and ones thaT WILL BE FIRED!
  19. David B
    19. Posted by David B Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:55 am EST

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    Michael S - I have read more than one sports columnist write that this year the Pac 10 is the best conference top to bottom. Yes, the SEC has Florida and Alabama, but the talent level drops off from there. The Pac 10 teams schedule better non-conference opponents than the SEC does and does well against them - while the SEC is playing teams like Carolina Coastal, Florida International and Arkansas State. The Pac 10's problem is they beat up on each other. Put in a play off system and see who has more teams reach the final four...or have you forgotten that last year the Pac 10 went undefeated in bowl games, while the SEC #2 team was getting their behind kicked in by a Moutain West team?
  20. Havoc
    20. Posted by Havoc Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:37 am EST

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    hey powders daddy--the amount of zeroes will NOT matter-you're talking about the richest football program in the country-his pay off will only be a drop in the bucket compared to what they have in south bend-you f*ckin idiot!ND sells out every game-whether its home or away-no other team can boast that FACT!!BBBBWWWAAAAAHAAAAA!!!!!!!-powder must ride the short bus!!!--BBBBBBBWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAA!!!!!!!!
  21. dandyjack
    21. Posted by dandyjack Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:02 am EST

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    is notre dame considered a sleeper team?
  22. dandyjack
    22. Posted by dandyjack Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:03 am EST

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    the obama curse
  23. Bob Williams
    23. Posted by Bob Williams Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:04 am EST

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    the whole sorry ass season came down to charlie calling a run play on 3rd and 2 and putting the two tight ends bunched up. come on they were passing untouched and you bunch up.. it sums up the whole picture for weis
  24. Dj
    24. Posted by Dj Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:16 am EST

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    pick it up nd hire jon gruden
  25. Tom
    25. Posted by Tom Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:17 am EST

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    The problems at N D are bigger than Weis and a new coach is not going to fix it anytime soon.

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