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I touched on their quotes this morning in a different context -- Michigan's unprecedented badness and impending implosion heading into the Ohio State game -- but I wanted to come back to Chris Spielman's comments Tuesday on Kirk Herbstreit's radio show in Columbus, especially in light of the two Michigan games he's worked this year, against Michigan State and Penn State.

It's one thing to say "Michigan is bad." This is an objective statement: Michigan is 3-8. You can call them the worst team in Michigan history; Desmond Howard almost disowned his alma mater on the same show, calling the current Wolverines "Michigan Tech" and suggesting patience with Rich Rodriguez might be growing thin. Howard happens to be in a position to know this is probably true, and within objective editorial bounds. Kirk Herbstreit, who will still get excited at Ohio State games and occasionally put his bawling children on national television in Buckeye gear, is the reigning master of walking the line between a legitimate editorial statement like "Michigan is bad" and the unacceptable "I hate Michigan." Take this statement from Tuesday's show, for example:

"I think they're just looking forward to getting the season over and hitting the recruiting," Herbstreit said.

Yeah, they probably are. Michigan fans can probably agree with that. Let's get on to recruiting.

Another former Buckeye, Chris Spielman, has been calling games for ESPN for a while now, including quite a few Michigan games, especially when he partnered with Pam Ward in the early afternoon Big Ten slot before joining Sean McDonough's roving team last year. But he hasn't quite bridged that gap between passion, which comes in second to testosterone in "Things Chris Spielman Exudes," and analysis. His comments on Herbstreit's show started off alright:

"[The Wolverines] stink, they're not very good. They don't play offense ... they can't run it consistently, they can't throw it consistently, they can't stop the run, they're not very good defending the pass, they're not very good covering kicks, they're not very good returning kicks," Spielman said.

Harsh, but all legitimate editorial criticism, until we get to ...

"I love seeing them beaten down, man. It's great," Spielman said.

And thus ends (or should end) Chris Spielman's license to call any Michigan game. I like Spielman, I like his transparent love for football, I like that he still seems more like a player than an announcer and that he obviously would rather be on the field colliding with people than in a suit and tie in a booth. I think he's one of the best color guys on the network. But unless ESPN's new strategy is to openly antagonize its viewers, it can't have a born, bred and admitted hater calling the team he hates. Born and bred, like Herbstreit (a second generation Buckeye captain), fine, as long as he keeps his biases in check on the air. But an admitted hater, on a very public radio program: No.

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  1. Bumble
    1. Posted by Bumble Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:13 pm EDT

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    What about all of us that totally agree 100% with everything Spielman says. Michigan does suck, and I do love watching them lose! I wonder how long they will keep Rich around with performance like this. I can't wait to watch O-H-I-O serve them up another whoopin'.
  2. John V
    2. Posted by John V Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm EDT

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    I know what you're saying and all but it still amuses me greatly when announcers let rip with something like that. Like when Dr. Lou and Mark May go after Pitt/ND. Or when ESPN's NFL studio guys (TJ) mock their historical foes (raiders). I know that's more tolerable since it's studio guys and not the ones calling the game, but I find it all amusing :P
  3. pantsmcpants1
    3. Posted by pantsmcpants1 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:59 pm EDT

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    Dude....it's Ohio State- Michigan week. All bets are off, like when, you know, Southern Miss plays....uhhh..East Carolina? Memphis? Never mind...
    If any current broadcaster formerly from UM says this week "I hope OSU blows this game because the tears of their fans will feed my soul" I don't think I'd even notice...
    Heck they had Desmond Howard sing Hail to the Victors on top of Ohio Stadium! Now that is crossing the line.
  4. scott
    4. Posted by scott Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

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    Spielman and Herbstreit are analysts, not journalists. Getting upset with them would be like hating Bill O'Reilly for not being objective (It is by all means, acceptable to hate O'Reilly for any other reason). They are a known commodity that made their comments in the OSU market, not on ESPN. I put this on the same level as ESPN putting Desmond Howard on top of the 'Shoe with Nick Lachey to sing "Hail to the Victors" in 2005. It's all in the spirit of the rivalry and there is no harm done.
  5. Dawg
    5. Posted by Dawg Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    I was listening to the show yesterday--I believe that Spielman prefaced the "I love seeing Michigan getting beat down" (or whatever it was) with something along the lines of "as a fan..." (At some point one of the speakers said the old line about "as a fan I want to see a good Michigan, it's good for the conference" etc.)
  6. mark w
    6. Posted by mark w Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:08 pm EDT

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    #4 is correct. Herbie and Spielman are entitled to their opionions. Spielman is telling it like it is. Ask Mark May or Desmond Howard to say anything nice about Penn State. Won't Happen. Reality is Reality. Michigan is not Good. After watching their games, it is hard to believe they actually have won three games. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Whether they're correct (Spielman/Herbstreit) or wrong (May/Howard).
  7. ruio99
    7. Posted by ruio99 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:55 pm EDT

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    I agree with Doc. After all, the Four-Letter has gone out of its way to make the point on GameDay that Herbstreit will not pick a winner in the Saturday night game he is broadcasting, in order to avoid any perception of impartiality on his part.
    It seems that, if you are running a network that places great value in maintaining the image of professional and impartial broadcasters, you can't have one of your broadcasters expressing a personal opinion like Spielman's statement on a public program and then calling a game involving the team at which he directed his statement.
    You can't have it both ways- at least, you shouldn't. Even if you are the Worldwide Leader...
  8. Matt H
    8. Posted by Matt H Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:48 pm EDT

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    Spielman is not 'a studio guy.' He calls Michigan games from the booth several times a year. I certainly did not suggest he's a journalist (quite the opposite), but my point is "I love seeing them beat down" is not analysis. It's just him hating Michigan, which doesn't have a place for someone who might broadcast a Michigan game.
    Unless the set-up is a Michigan guy vs. an Ohio State (or whoever Michigan is playing) guy in the booth. That would be interesting, but it's not happening. He shouldn't be fired or anything, he just shouldn't do Michigan games. It's antagonistic and unfair to Michigan fans, in the same way having a known cheerleader in the booth would be unfair; it doesn't "add to the rivalry" if it's one-sided. I always think about this when Herbstreit does Ohio State games, even though he's always professional on the air (children aside). You can't have a guy in the booth who says he loves seeing one of the teams on the field lose.
  9. Albino Tornado
    9. Posted by Albino Tornado Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:47 pm EDT

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    But it's hunky dory, to, say, have had the dad of Michigan's starting QB providing the color? Was there outrage when Bob Greise was crying during his son's final game?
    They get big sloppy kisses from the booth. Getting games called by an unabashed rival is just the flip side of that coin.
  10. scott
    10. Posted by scott Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

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    If it doesn't affect how he calls the game, why should it matter what he thinks of Michigan? I think you would be hard pressed to find an example of Spielman showing his biases in the booth, even during Michigan's games.
    Are you just worried that Michigan fans may have suddenly found out that the most intense linebacker in OSU history might have bought into this whole rivalry thing and doesn't like their team too much?
  11. adder30
    11. Posted by adder30 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:13 pm EDT

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    I see what you're saying Doc, but everyone hates announcers anyway. If enough Michigan fans turn off the TV to effect ratings than its an issue. If not, I put in it in the same category as Mike Patrick's no-syllable-left-behind emphasis policy, Lou Holtz's senility, Mark May's inflection or any of the crazy stuff that Pam Ward says.
    (that category being 'annoying, but not nearly bad enough to make me change the channel')
  12. mikez34
    12. Posted by mikez34 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:20 pm EDT

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    I hate it when national announcers are biased in calling. If they are calling for that teams network, then fine. Herbie is a pro and keeps his opinions in check on-air. I could care less what his personal opinion is off air as long as he sepearates the two.
    It annoys me to no end to turn on something like First Take and hear these people go on and on about Michigan and Ohio State and whoever elses alma mater.
    This year is karma for Rich Rodriguez.
  13. Alaska Hokie
    13. Posted by Alaska Hokie Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:36 pm EDT

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    Albino Tornado, Greise had a personal relationship to just one player, rather than a team. In my mind, that made it more interesting for the emotional value. I remember when DrS bashed Greise for flying a Purdue flag from the window of the press box. That's about the equivalent of this, not broadcasting his son's final game.
  14. thronedoggie
    14. Posted by thronedoggie Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:08 pm EDT

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    #4 Scott - Analysis is definitely a part of journalism. When I hear somebody give an analysis of an on-field situation, I'm probably going to feel antagonistic towards that analysis if the person speaking has expressed a dislike towards the subject of the analysis.
    This is, in my mind, entirely different from a situation in which the person doing the analysis has an admitted favorite (Herbie for his team, or Griese for his son). Having a favorite doesn't cause one to change one's analysis; but hatred most definitely can have that effect - or it can seem that way, which to the observer has the same effect (that of discrediting the analysis).
  15. Muck Fichigan
    15. Posted by Muck Fichigan Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:40 pm EDT

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    I'm sure if Desmond Howard wasn't too embarrassed by his alma mater, to do a radio program in Ann Arbor, we might have heard a comment similar to this on their local sports talk shows. After all it is the greatest rivalry in college football. Go Bucks!!!
  16. Troy
    16. Posted by Troy Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

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    Michigan fan here. I actually think that Spielman is one of the best color guys on ESPN. I have no problem with what he said on the radio. He didn't say anything that should surprise any OSU or UM fan. And, he didn't say anything that wasn't true. Now if he had said that in the booth during a game, then there probably would be a problem as objectivity and professionalism would have been lost.
  17. GeraldW
    17. Posted by GeraldW Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:33 pm EDT

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    oh, well, who really cares about the commentators, they just blow hot air... the wolverines do not play very good football right now. they appear poorly coached with a system that doesn't fit the players. why didn't rich adjust his style and add players each year that fit his style. with what was supposed to be a stout defense and some decent skill players at rb, wr, and qb (mallet), they perhaps could have won 7 games. but what bothers me mostly is what appears to be just a poorly coached team...
    but what goes around comes around and eventually uofm will win several in a row, right now osu is clearly the superior program in the big ten. however, the league as a whole is pretty pathetic...
  18. J.D.
    18. Posted by J.D. Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:31 pm EDT

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    Comment: For What It's Worth Being from WV and ex-student of WVU...my two most favorite collegiate football teams are WV...(and whom ever is playing Michigan this week). If I was a betting man, I would have to go "all in" with my chips for Michigan to win this Saturday. Looking at the records, this years won/lost outcome and thinking...who has the most to loose or gain... My cards say Michigan will win this weekend. Coach Rodriguez is a great coach. We were devestated when he departed WV for "greener pastures". But...this is college football, and life goes on!
  19. Hawkeye Shane
    19. Posted by Hawkeye Shane Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:16 pm EDT

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    Herbstreit and Spielman are both outstanding at what they do and to say that Spielman should never call another Michigan game because he said something outloud that everyone knows he feels, is outrageous. Seriously, are there ANY Michigan fans out there, who read this and thought "WTH??? Since when did Spielman start hating the Wolverines???" ...
    Besides, he wouldn't be enjoying Michigan's stumble so much, if the rivalry didn't mean so much to him...which if you think about it, is a huge sign of respect since no one would be that passionate if it didn't matter to them.
  20. laned1962
    20. Posted by laned1962 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:56 pm EDT

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    You know that loud, boorish, "has an opinion on everything" family member we all have?
    The one that before you make a comment to, you look at someone and whisper; "watch this"?
    That is Chris Spielman.
  21. Glenn M
    21. Posted by Glenn M Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:10 pm EDT

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    Chris Spielman's comments are the least of U of M's problems. I have several friends who are die hard U of M fans and even they admit that their team is a complete embarrassment. Five home loses including Toledo and ND? Last season's loss to 1-AA, App. State. U of M looks like they might be sliding into full Notre Dame mode. 20+ years of extreme disappointment for their fans. By the way, has Weis won a single game against a team that finished the season in the top 25. Answer: No
    5 consecutive loses to Ohio State will be another record for Rich-Rod to be a part of.
    Prediction:
    Ohio St 38 - U of M 10. Tressel will try to be nice and not run up the score.
  22. John S
    22. Posted by John S Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:39 pm EDT

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    I do not have any problem with Michigan bashing. I listened to Griese and his partner in the booth for years
    pulling for Michigan. I remember Desmond Howard rubbing salt in open Buckeye wounds with his infamous
    Heisman pose after a touchdown. If Michigan goes winless from here to the next milenium I do not care. i am
    a Buckeye fan always, may get discouraged but proud of Ohio State and its traditions. Jim Tressel is a class
    act as a coach. Woody Hayes was good, but all I see is Woody grabbing a Clemson player and embarrassing
    a university. All I can say is GO BUCKS!!!!
  23. uofm6574
    23. Posted by uofm6574 Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    Hey Chris just added some more bulletin board material for my Wolverines. We need all the help we can get.
    Go Blue crack them nuts.
  24. THE SCOTTMAN
    24. Posted by THE SCOTTMAN Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:21 pm EDT

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    Agree, too much Woody, but this nation needs to get away from apathy. Now let us consider the other
    ESPN announcer, Mr. Tony "no hair or comb over". Why is he even affililiated with football, he shld be
    detained in Guantanamo for misrepresentation of a reporter or announder.

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