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It's been a long, long time since the NCAA handed down really serious sanctions on anyone, so long that an entire generation of fans -- and player, and most importantly, caches -- has come up more or less in their complete absence. The last BCS conference team kept home from a bowl game by Association fiat was California in 2003, one year after a bowl/championship ban prevented Alabama from claiming the SEC West title it won on the field in 2002. That's five years with no major teams feeling that kind of bite, and you have to go back another decade, to the penalties against Florida, Texas A&M, Auburn and Alabama again, just to name a few, to dredge up notable sanctions prior to that.

Either athletic departments have become remarkably cleaner over the last 10 years -- an unlikely proposition -- or the NCAA has grown so squeamish since dropping the bureaucratic equivalent of a nuclear bomb on SMU in 1987 that it lacks the will -- or the power -- to cause anything in the vicinity of that kind of turmoil again.

Most observers seem to presume the latter. Three weeks ago, when Alabama was slapped on the wrist for its third "major" offense in a little over a decade, Sports Illustrated's Andy Staples wrote that the tepid response proved the NCAA won't hold the heaviest hitters' feet to the fire. Old Auburn hat Pat Dye (who knows from NCAA violations) said essentially the same thing to The Sporting News: "There's no question it has changed. ... They didn't punish them very much. In the past, the school had to pay for their mistakes. This is not going to affect (Alabama) in terms of winning games." Dye's contemporary at Ole Miss, Billy Brewer, told TSN lesser-known schools seem "more susceptible" than bigger programs; Washington legend Don James called the Huskies' stint on probation during his tenure as the NCAA's effort to be "holier-than-thou" with a national power, but he "[doesn't] see that happening much anymore." Other than the residual effects on Bobby Bowden's legacy in the record books, the recent rap against Florida State for "widespread academic fraud" falls into the same category of cosmetic chiding -- and it's not guaranteed to hold up, like Oklahoma's order to vacate wins for fielding ineligible players in 2006 didn't hold up.

TSN's Dave Curtis seems to be thinking along the same lines today about the spitballs lobbed at 'Bama and FSU, but he comes to the exact opposite conclusion about what that recent leniency means for the next behemoth lumbering into the NCAA's sights:

Watch out, USC. Some influential folks in the NCAA are yearning to hammer a school that has strayed from its rules on recruiting and/or academics.
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... circumstances have aligned, in official and unofficial contexts, for the NCAA to snap back at the increased rule-bending around the country. And what better way to send college football a message than to handicap one of the sport's flagship programs for the next few years.
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So where does USC fit here? If this sense that rogue behavior has gone too far is legitimate, then someone has to do penance for both its sins and those of under-punished programs past. ... [P]unishing the school for a lack of institutional control -- if the allegations are accurate -- would be the biceps flex the NCAA needs. Banning the Trojans from the Rose Bowl or from TV, or docking them a dozen scholarships for a couple of years, would show no school is untouchable. Everybody best behave, no matter what a school's record book reads or pocketbook holds.

So be careful, Trojans and fans. Maybe USC's not the biggest offender out there. But for now, it's the most famous, it's at the wrong place at the wrong time, and its punishments could signal that change is coming to college football.

Curtis recognizes that "recent examples" suggest the opposite trend, and even gets a coach, UConn's Randy Edsall, tempting the fates on record: "The NCAA isn't as stringent as it used to be with its rules. Everybody sees that." So who corroborates Curtis' vision of a pending crackdown?

"If you have one of these big, sexy recruiting cases, it could get them teed up," said Gene Marsh, a Birmingham, Ala.-based attorney and former chair of the NCAA Committee on Infractions. "When the case is right, there's a real possibility that television bans will come back. Bowl bans will come back."

Big and sexy as it may be, it's still a leap at this point to assume there will be any punishment against USC over the Reggie Bush illegal benefits saga, of any variety. To assume that the hypothetical hammer would transcend the familiar realm of petty scholarship hits and retroactively vacated victories and rain down old-school television, bowl or championship bans like righteous lightning bolts is like vaulting over the Grand Canyon from the current vantage point, obviously one of leniency. And if it's recruiting violations they're after, the aren't any in relation to Reggie Bush, or anyone else Pete Carroll's lured to L.A. (None with any traction, anyway.)

If the Trojans are meant to be just an example, well, the Association had a chance to knock Alabama back into the Dubose era as a repeat repeat offender, and didn't take it. What incentive does it have to make those kinds of waves? As Curtis says himself, "the cheating is less overt than it was a generation ago," in the open market on chicanery in the old Southwest Conference, for example, the rampant offenders that forced the historically toothless NCAA to come down with unprecedented severity in the first place. The "death penalty" at SMU was the nadir of a long escalation of authority.

If the NCAA can live with a slap on the wrist for a fraud case it described in its own words as "widespread," "unethical" and "egregious" across Florida State's entire athletic department -- including members of the department who responded in "serious and intentional" and "reprehensible" ways -- I don't see that the pendulum is going to swing back on the "lack of institutional control" at USC in one fell swoop. Again, if it even brushes the Trojans at all.

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  1. James P
    1. Posted by James P Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:29 pm EDT

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    I know no one agrees with me, but maybe what college football needs is to divorce itself from the NFL. Let the NFL start club teams and recruit kids out of high school to play in the junior leagues, and leave college football to truly student athletes. No more athletic scholarships, no more recruiting, just pure football. I know, I know, everyone likes the status quo. But why? Why shouldn't a 20 year old go and make money playing football instead of pretending to get a degree in movement science only to drop out once they are eligible for the draft? I mean, really?
  2. Deaf Kate
    2. Posted by Deaf Kate Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:57 pm EDT

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    James P - I agree with you.
    It is not a matter of letting the NFL start the club teams. The NFL is not interested in the cost of starting up another league and is perfectly content letting NCAA football develop talent. The NCAA is also happy doing it for them because they make money. Sure they have to deal with violations of their rules from time to time but for the most part they keep it pretty quiet.
    I am hoping that the new football leagues that are starting up, like the United Football League, lets players out of high school play so that the NCAA has to compete with someone for players. College recruiting would still be necessary, but players could chose between getting paid in violation of NCAA rules or getting paid legitimately, without being made out to be a liar or a cheat or a thief for breaking rules that are routinely violated and hardly enforced. Of course this would require a reform of NCAA rules to allow a high school player to actually explore professional football opportunities with an agent without sacrificing his eligibility.
    I think scholarships should still be available because they serve a purpose by giving educational opportunities to kids that would otherwise not have it. But kids that have football ability without the academic ability will not have to pretend to be a student for two years (cheating on exams, taking fake classes...) when they are really just preparing for the NFL draft.
  3. Shea
    3. Posted by Shea Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:58 pm EDT

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    Actually that's the first time I heard the idea of a junior league. I like it a lot though. So many schools just prop up student athletes on the student end of it your idea really makes sense. I think it would be great for the NFL too like the minor leagues in baseball, good football towns that are to small for a NFL team could have a junior league team. The NFL junior teams could even legally market players, which is good for the league and the player.
  4. nc7baseball
    4. Posted by nc7baseball Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:21 am EDT

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    Fred P is totally right. If baseball has the minors, then so should football. Basketball should do the same also.
  5. FC
    5. Posted by FC Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:10 am EDT

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    d-league is NBA's junior league...or the closest thing to it.
  6. Leprkon
    6. Posted by Leprkon Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:03 am EDT

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    The bottom line is the NCAA doesn't have any power in football. Since they do not hold a playoff, and even their own website states that the champion is selected by voters, what can they do ? Ask the AP to not vote a team ? That worked real well on the 1985 Barry Switzer national championship while on probation team. If the NCAA wanted to be serious, they would take two steps.. first a playoff from which teams could be excluded (no revelation there). second, limit scholarships to 53, just like an NFL team. The 86 or so currently allowed concentrates alot of the best players at the top schools. Spread the wealth and suddenly five or six scholarships is a major penalty.
  7. bobby
    7. Posted by bobby Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:28 am EDT

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    to put a limit of any kind on the number of kids a school can give scholarships to so they can go to school is wrong on every level i can think of. if a school can afford to let 10.000 go to class for free it should be allowed to. i mean is that not what the school there for to begin with. and i question how the ncaa can promote education and then limit the number of kids that can recieve it for free and besides wow can the ncaa have a rule or plenlty that does not apply to all schools. i would love to see them tell west point that they had to lose two scholarships lol
  8. kass0809@...
    8. Posted by kass0809@... Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:48 am EDT

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    "Either athletic departments have become remarkably cleaner over the last 10 years -- an unlikely proposition -- or the NCAA has grown so squeamish since dropping the bureaucratic equivalent of a nuclear bomb on SMU in 1987 that it lacks the will -- or the power -- to cause anything in the vicinity of that kind of turmoil again."
    Well, to an extent, the former is true. I think anyone could safely say no program has been as bad as SMU when it was stonewalling the NCAA's investigation. Secondly, I don't see how any of these suggestions actually solve anything, outside of killing college football, adding little to no benefit to the athlete, and making college life for millions far less enjoyable. First, how much do you think the NFL will pay a totally unproven 17 yr old? What $60k, maybe $70K? Then compare that with the compensation these kids get in college in tuition, books, clothes, coaching from high paid coaches, etc., that total easily matches if not surpasses what they would get in the NFL. And colleges already market players in a relevant system that has a very large following. Do anyone really think one would have as much exposure in a NFL minor league system than they get in college? Do current minor league system get tons of media exposure? Why would the NFL be different?
    My opinion, the best thing for these kids, regardless if these are mature enough to realize it or not, is the college system. Is it imperfect? Well sure, but to say that these kids are victims with the current system is just ridiculous.
  9. Smokey Stover
    9. Posted by Smokey Stover Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:16 am EDT

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    Let's see, USC is in California. Celebrities or professional athletes have nothing to worry about. You can get away with anyhting if you live in California.
  10. ronc
    10. Posted by ronc Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:22 am EDT

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    They took away a track championship from Arkansas for a person helping the sprinter Gay, with his entrance exams. One person. They take away some games from FSU for widespread cheating. It just goes to show you, if you're a smaller school, watch out. If you're one of the big time schools, don't worry about anything. I hate the NCAA's guts. Level the playing field for all schools. Write down the rules and write down the punishments for every offense. No do overs, no appeals. One set of rules and punishments period.
  11. Irish32
    11. Posted by Irish32 Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:52 am EDT

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    Reggie has turned the NCAA Enforcement Division into one big JOKE
  12. frodisman
    12. Posted by frodisman Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:20 pm EDT

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    If they take away FSU's wins then they MUST go after USC and take both National Championships away. What Reggie did was just as bad if not worse. Typical favortism though that USC receives.
  13. Zachary B
    13. Posted by Zachary B Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:30 pm EDT

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    It's funny how action is taken immediately with programs that police itself, ex. OU. But when the mighty USC refuses to cooperate the investigation lingers for years, until it will just disappear. There is a real bias here and I don't understand why. OU, Alabama etc... are just as important to college football as USC who claims every national championship that some obscure magazines have given them.
  14. Robert T
    14. Posted by Robert T Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:37 pm EDT

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    FSU was a school wide issue AT school .
    Reggie Bush's happened in San Diego between an agent and a stepfather .
  15. HAR_RocK
    15. Posted by HAR_RocK Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:52 pm EDT

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    Bush is a cheat.USC can go to hell
  16. SCTrojanX
    16. Posted by SCTrojanX Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:24 pm EDT

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    Irish32---sounds like someone doesn't remember how the NCAA overlooked your school when every single other place Lou Holtz has coached has ended up on probation.
    Zachary B---LSU fan? Yup, Shaq went there for free because no other basketball team wanted him and Dale Brown was proven clean.
    Yeah, I'm an SC fan/alum and when I was in school, I saw and PARTICIPATED in many things that would fall outside NCAA rules but can't we just get past the fact that no single school is the problem. Like with steroids in the pros, there are many guilty parties.
    The NCAA and the schools make their money off the backs of these kids in many sports and yes, the kids get a free education. However, we all know what these major schools make off athletics far outweighs the dollars they give out in scholarships. If there weren't a profit, they wouldn't be able to afford it (see any smaller school for proof!)
    The NCAA and the school presidents need to stop being hypocrits and all you fanboys can stop acting like SC (or OU or FSU,etc) is the problem while your university is the one clean beacon of light in all of this. Either the NCAA should start acting like the non-profit it's supposed to be and enforce the rules across the board or athletic programs should be separated from the academic side of the university and run as the profit centers they are. (essentially the junior league suggested above.)
    In the meantime, enjoy watching more football!
  17. John F
    17. Posted by John F Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:29 pm EDT

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    USC was an isolated incident regarding benefits...whereas FSU involves large scale academic fraud by a historically dirty program (Dillard's scandal).
    Zachary, Alabama is the king of obscure titles.
  18. Greg G
    18. Posted by Greg G Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    The idea of a "farm system" for college football teams isn't a new one, but it certainly carries some merit. Everyone seems to agree that money is the root of all evil, and paying athletes for their services isn't some kind of irrational thought. After all, the coaches have multi-million contracts that are further fattened by lucrative endorsement deals, and all the player gets out if it is an education. Which is mostly propaganda, because the majority of athletes are jocks first and students second. Let's get rid of the hyprocisy and just pay them to play.
  19. Greg G
    19. Posted by Greg G Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:09 pm EDT

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    Another thing. What's all this nonsense of forcing a school that is found to be guilty of NCAA violations to "vacate" victories won on the field, especially retroactively. That smells of cow manure.
  20. Joshgator
    20. Posted by Joshgator Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    Kass,
    I agree with you on all but one point. When you said that "anyone could safely say no program has been as bad as SMU when it was stonewalling the NCAA's investigation". You left out a school: USC. They have been stonewalling the NCAA on the Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo scandals for the last few years.
  21. The Shadow
    21. Posted by The Shadow Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:14 pm EDT

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    Get real folks. No matter how big a cheater a school is; schools like USC will never get punished, regardless of what Reggie Bush or Tim Floyd did. The NCAA is all about TV revenue...the rules be damned. Oh, and count on the NCAA to heavily punish Podunk State for giving free piano lessons to a player. The NCAA has about as much power and clout as the UN!
  22. Eric S
    22. Posted by Eric S Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:53 pm EDT

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    First off, in 1985 the Sooners were not on probation. OU beat Penn State, and Miami lost to Washington, or something like that. OU actually earned that title. You are reffering to the 1974 title, where OU was banned from bowl play but still won the title through AP.
    But a farm league wouldn't work. I think they should just pay the players. The NCAA makes major money off these kids, the schools make money off them by selling their jersey's. Granted a college education is worth a lot of money. But you're talking about kids here that can't even have full-time jobs during the summer. So if a kid comes from a family that doesn't have any money, where is he supposed to go.
    I want USC to get the book thrown at them. Schools like Penn State should get "lack of institutional control" thrown at them for all the arrests they've had over the years. But schools like USC and Penn State will never be punished by the NCAA. They would rather punish the FSU's, Alabama's and Oklahoma's in the world, for some reason or another.
  23. ROBERT G
    23. Posted by ROBERT G Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:48 pm EDT

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    1.the futures of the ncca and those who work there is defintely on the line with the usc con operation.
    2. the evidence of corruption and intentional violations of rules by usc at the institutional level is overwhelming.
    3. if the current staff at the ncaa does not take the only proper actions, then we the people who pay the salaries of all of these ncaa employees, conference employees, along with the muli millions to put on these sports spectacles every season will just have to flush the current staffs out of the ncaa and the conferences and replace them all with people of honesty and integrity who do what the rules require under a fully transparent system.
    4. after all, college athletics is not a private club. it is a huge business which sells products and services to the public based on representations that college athletic contests are played by real student athletes, not by full time athletes getting paid under the table like reggie bush or phony students like leinart taking one unit of ballroom dancing.
    5. if the ncaa and the conferences have not gotten the message yet, they certainly will.
    6.their time for doing the only correct thing is very short and the economic consequences for each of them for not doing the only correct thing are disasterous.
    7. in brief, the ncaa and the conferences do not have any real choice in this matter, except to determine their own economic futures.
    8. trying to put penn state and usc in the same category is as ridiculous as putting gandhi and hitler in the same category.
    9. joe paterno has never, and will never, tolerate what mikey and petey and the current usc athletic department have been actively doing and covering up ever since mikey hired petey.
  24. STRANGLE HOLD
    24. Posted by STRANGLE HOLD Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:40 pm EDT

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    for once josh gator i have to agree with you good call.
  25. killerbee
    25. Posted by killerbee Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:09 pm EDT

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    A Junior League will never happen because the NFL already gets a free farm system via the NCAA. It's a parasitic relationship. Why would they want to "pay" for a development league. They don't even pay for their stadia - the local taxpayers do. The only way to go is to: (1) eliminate "athletic scholarships" - a classical example of an oxymoron that describes a scam, (2) bring back the One-platoon system. This will even the playing field between the Floridas, LSUs, Oklahomas, and the Dukes,Vanderbilts,Syracuses. One-platoon football will reduce costs drastically, an important factor these days, and may even encourage schools that have dropped football to reestablish programs (e.g., Santa Clara, UOP, Marquette). Anyway, get lost USC haters. Did you ever hear LSU's Jamarcus Russell talk? He's a babbling idiot. Ohler of Ole Miss was practically illiterate when he got his "university scholarship". Florida has had 24 players in trouble with the law during Meyer's regime. Who are you trying to kid? At least Bush can talk without mumbling.

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