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The newly launched AnnArbor.com, more energetic Web successor to the Ann Arbor News, caught up this weekend both with Lloyd Carr, newly minted playoff advocate, and Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, who quickly crushed Carr's modest vision of a four-team bracket beneath his spotless wingtips at a charity golf outing. Delany was also unusually frank about the Big Ten's image problem in big games:
"In any particular time frame, could be three years, could be five years, could be two years, you could get your ass kicked, OK?" Delany continued. "It can happen. We’re not playing Little Sisters of the Poor. We’re playing the best football teams in their region."So were we 1-6 (in bowl games) last year? Yeah. Were we 0-6 in the BCS in the last (three years)? We were. Those are the facts. But take me from 2000 or 1997 to 2005; I remember when Michigan played Ohio State [in 2006]. We were the toast of the town, one versus two, game of the century."
That's probably true on both counts: These things are cyclical, especially due to small sample size over a two-to-three-year window, and the Big Ten has held up just fine over time. Michigan-OSU in 2006 was pretty epic on all fronts. There is very, very scant evidence for any big-picture issues prior to Florida pantsing Ohio State in the '07 mythical championship game.
But the looming issue I keep returning to going into this season is how few opportunities the Big Ten has had for its name-brand programs to play "the best football teams" in any region, an issue here only because of the ongoing struggles in bowl games. Ohio State caught a lot of heat in 2007, apparently justified after the championship loss against LSU, for playing a non-conference schedule highlighted by a win at Washington (final record: 4-8). Penn State's blowout over Oregon State last September looked good in retrospect, but at the time, with OSU coming off an opening night loss at Stanford and still two weeks from conquering USC (and more than a month from finally entering the polls), it looked more like a confirmation of the Beavers' descent.
And that, along with Michigan's upset over Florida in the '08 Capital One Bowl, are by far the Big Ten's best non-conference wins of the last two years. Including Lions over Beavers, the conference was 1-6 against non-conference teams that finished in the AP's final top-25 last year after going 1-4 against the final poll in 2007. Last year's regular season highlights included Utah upsetting Michigan; Oregon holding off Purdue; Missouri hanging 52 on Illinois; and of course, USC nearly wiping Ohio State off the face of the earth.
The issue this year is the same: Assuming Minnesota and Purdue do not shock Oregon and California, the most winnable games against any team with top-25 credentials going into the year are Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue's annual dates with Notre Dame -- and if the Irish struggle in those games, the resulting meme won't be "Wow, the Big Ten is succeeding against Notre Dame." It will be "Notre Dame still sucks." It just doesn't mean much anymore to beat ND, a killer turn when almost a third of the conference traditionally bases its non-conference schedule around the Irish as the quality "national" opponent.
That's not to single out the Big Ten for deficient scheduling -- on the whole, its non-conference schedules aren't substantially different from those in the SEC or Big 12, and not much removed from the Pac-10. But those conferences are winning bowls and other big games and aren't facing the same persistent questions about their inherent strength. It seems clear enough that the Big Ten has one big chance to break the current cycle -- even Penn State knows its national ambitions hinge in part on Ohio State beating USC on Sept. 12 -- or face another yet round of condescension heading into the bowl season.
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No one remembers Wisconsin trashing Arkansas or Michigan beating Florida when the highlight of the bowl season is OSU getting beaten.
The Big Ten, as much as anything, has been a victim of OSU's success. If no one can beat OSU, and then OSU has 2-3 bad games out of conference, suddenly the rest of the conference looks like crap. It could have been just that OSU showed up fat from awards show food (2007) and then ended up in over its head (2008) the year after, instead of falling off the face of the planet like Florida did that year.
But those are excuses. If the Big Ten wins some bowl games this year, it won't matter any more.
As an interesting aside - if USC gets a shot at the championship the last couple years (and for the last two years at least they've had a pretty strong argument) I have a gut feeling that the Big Ten's Bowl game record would look quite a bit different.
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A 4 loss Michigan team going to Florida to beat the Gators even though they were -4 in TOs was pretty spectacular
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Consider the source. From your little icon, looks like you are an Arizona fan. Yeah, a real hot bed for college football. And the Pac-10? Outside of USC, it royally sucks. The most god-awful football to watch as well. Idiot.
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At least Ohio State went two years in a row!
Go Big Ten!!!
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People, get over it. Big Ten rocks!
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I am not going to sit here and deny that there have been some very good teams in last two years from the SEC, USC has been great, and even from the Big Twelve but, in 2007, middle of the Big Ten pack Wisconsin lost to SEC runner up Tennessee in a back and forth game by 3 points. In 08, unranked, lower Big Ten quartile Badgers were matched with Florida State who was competing for ACC championship. Michigan State kept it competitive with preseason number one Georgia, Ohio State - beaten and bruised - led national championship hopeful Texas until they missed one tackle... I can go on and on and on...
But the point is, that our middle of the pack teams compete with top of the bracket teams from other conferences and still keep it close. I wonder what would happen if our weaker teams were matched with weaker teams from other conferences...
Wow, more I think about this, more I realize how awesome the Big 10 is.
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Florida '07 finished 5th in the SEC (3rd in the SEC East). So, um, whoop-de-doo.
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Sorcerrousa, should Michigan get bonus points for losing to a really good 1-AA?
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Wins and championships
Most wins with (872) in NCAA Division I-A football
The most winning seasons (110)
The most undefeated seasons in Division 1-A football (25)
One of only three schools with a winning record against every Division 1-A conference.
The 1901 Michigan Wolverines football team is the only undefeated, untied, and unscored-upon football team to also win the Rose Bowl without being scored upon.
Attendance and television
The largest crowd to ever attend an NCAA football game: 112,118 on November 22, 2003, at Michigan Stadium vs. Ohio State[3] Michigan was ranked #5 while Ohio State was ranked #4.
The longest streak in home game attendance of over 100,000 (214 games - Nov. 8, 1975 v. Purdue)
The most televised school in college football history (382 televised games)
Current streaks
The longest current streak of games in Division 1-A since last being shut out (287 games; last time on October 20, 1984, at Iowa).
Honored pageantry
The number one sports rivalry: Michigan-Ohio State, according to ESPN's "10 Greatest Sports Rivalries"
The Victors is one of the few fight songs in the Hall of Fame
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The NCAA is just a laundrey for alums, players, and croocked admininistrators. They have more money than the US Mint can issue per year. Something has to be done. A friend who played at Northwestern wrote a book called the One Hundred Yard Lie and he was spot on then and it is worse than it was twenty years ago. And you wonder why we have so many players who get in trouble to this day and the teams get them back on the field.
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