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There's no denying the status quo: If they win out, undefeated Texas will play the winner of the Alabama/Florida SEC Championship for the BCS Championship. If there's attrition among the the "Big Three," though, the palace is open to a horde of barbarian contenders whose path to Pasadena isn't nearly as clear-cut. This series examines their prospects. Today: Cincinnati.

Assumptions: The Bearcats have no chance at the title game -- absolutely none whatsoever -- unless they finish 12-0, and they still face the two toughest games of their season, at home against West Virginia on Nov. 13 and at Pittsburgh for a possible winner-take-all game on the first Saturday in December. Cincy also has to deal with UConn, which dealt the Bearcats their only conference loss en route to the Big East title last year, and Illinois, which set itself up as a pending turnaround story with its first decent effort of the season in last Saturday's win over Michigan.

Virtues: Cincy is as statistically dominant across the board as any team in the country: The offense is in the top 10 nationally and leads the Big East in passing yards, total yards and scoring, and leads the nation in pass efficiency; the defense leads the nation in tackles for loss and is second in sacks. The Bearcats have yet to finish with a negative turnover margin, have returned both a punt and a kickoff for touchdowns and haven't missed a beat with Zach Collaros in place of starting quarterback Tony Pike for the last two-and-a-half games. They're good at almost everything, and not bad at anything, as their margin of victory proves -- at 28.2 points per game, the Bearcats have wailed harder on their schedule to date than any other team except Texas (it's a tie).

Obviously, it's not the toughest road to nirvana. But if they run the table, the 'Cats will have about as good an overall set of road wins -- at Rutgers, at Oregon State and at South Florida already in the bag, none of them very close in the end, and at Pittsburgh still to come -- as any team this side of USC (at Ohio State, at Cal, at Notre Dame), and the Trojans are no longer in the discussion.

Disqualifier(s): Still, the lack of a really big fish above the mantel is a killer in the human polls, which are already inclined to turn up their noses at the Big East, and the overall schedule doesn't rank among the top 50 in any of the four computer polls that list strength of schedule numbers. It's not an awful schedule -- the only genuinely rotten games are against I-AA Southeast Missouri State and rebuilding MAC pushover Miami (Ohio), a traditional rival -- but of course there will be the requisite bloc of voters who scoff, "Cincinnati, humbug!" no matter what the numbers say on any stat sheet or computer printout, and it will be hard for Bearcat backers to persuade them by arguing, "But they beat Oregon State and Pittsburgh!"

Best-case scenario: The remaining schedule is tough enough to prevent the Bearcats from dropping significantly in any of the polls, and neither TCU nor Boise State has the juice on their remaining slates to overtake the Bearcats if they keep winning at their current pace; Cincinnati is not likely to fall without a loss or miraculous escape, and even a miraculous escape might be acceptable if it comes against West Virginia or Pitt. That leaves only two obstacles to the top: A loss by Iowa (the Hawkeyes still have to play at Ohio State) and two losses among the Florida-Alabama-Texas troika, which would leave the Bearcats ranked No. 2 among undefeated teams.

The question is whether that would be good enough to rise to No. 2 overall above a one-loss Florida or Alabama, or, from the back of the pack, one-loss Oregon, the one team currently sitting behind the Bearcats with the profile and potential to make a serious run down the stretch if the Ducks keep up the scorched-earth act of the last month. The other possible interloper: LSU. If the Tigers upset Alabama Saturday and run the table through an SEC Championship upset over Florida, they'll almost certainly jump the Bearcats. Otherwise, though, if Texas and Iowa lose somewhere along the way, it's much harder to see the loser of the SEC title game remaining in one of the top two spots if Cincy dispatches a quality Pitt outfit on the same day.

Level of fantasy: Finalist on American Idol. No one thought they had a chance at the start of this thing, when the Bearcats were just one face among many, but now that they're here, there's a fighting chance: As the BCS lines up in the moment, Cincinnati is third in line for the No. 2 spot behind Texas and Iowa, and the only team with a realistic chance of skipping UC in the line is LSU. If they keep winning, not many dominoes have to fall to move the 'Cats into at least a 50/50 argument for the second championship slot.

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  1. Marc
    1. Posted by Marc Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:36 pm EST

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    Cincinnati currently has the #75 ranked SOS. (per Sagarin, 85 per the Colley matrix). Certainly it will improve after playing Pitt and WVU. Still it would be a travesty for this team to play for the mnc with that schedule. If Notre Dame beats Pitt, then Cincinnati will go through the entire season not beating a single ranked team. A 1 loss Oregon with a top-5 SOS should absolutely trump all of these undefeated teams with very poor SOS. (yes, even Boise St.)
  2. The World Famous Butt Pirate
    2. Posted by The World Famous Butt Pirate Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:41 pm EST

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    They won't make it now that the Big Ten refs threw the game for Iowa.
  3. LongTrans
    3. Posted by LongTrans Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:55 pm EST

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    No, they cannot play.
  4. Joseph C
    4. Posted by Joseph C Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:30 pm EST

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    Hintons a moron. If a Cincinnati wins out and Iowa and Texas lose its a no brainer. They play the winner of Bama Florida. Never has an undefeated BCS team been left out for a one loss BCS team. Give Cincinnati some respect and get off the SEC bandwagon!!!!!!!!!!!
  5. alex P
    5. Posted by alex P Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:36 pm EST

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    Marc: "A 1 loss Oregon with a top-5 SOS should absolutely trump all of these undefeated teams with very poor SOS. (yes, even Boise St.) "
    Are you serious?
    this would make no sense whatsoever if a one loss Oregon (a head to head loss to Boise St.) CANNOT pass Boise St. if Boise St. Doesn't lose. If they do it just reinforces everything that's wrong with the system and shows how bad we NEED a playoff.
  6. alex P
    6. Posted by alex P Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:39 pm EST

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    Correction from Above
    They* CANNOT
  7. Lucas
    7. Posted by Lucas Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:50 pm EST

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    And would Oregon's top 5 SOS really be that much better than Iowa's most likely top 15 schedule? Of course not.
    I wholeheartedly disagree with Matt's assessment that Cincy would have better road wins than Iowa if they win out. Beating three non-top 25 teams on the road is somehow better than beating three top-25 teams on the road (Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin, plus Michigan State and Iowa State for good measure)?
    Really, I don't care much about Iowa making it to the title game or not...I can understand some people voting on Iowa's close games, and frankly, I'd rather go to the Rose Bowl and watch the parade anyway, but the really bad arguments made to justify other teams going ahead of them are pretty annoying
  8. Mat
    8. Posted by Mat Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:00 pm EST

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    alex P
    -While it's rarely a good idea, sometimes you have to throw out on field results. It's because things called "upsets" happen in sports. Outside of East Lansing and Columbus, no one thought App State was actually a better team than Michigan two years ago. Clearly USC was a better team than Stanford that same year. It's like the 1980 USA hockey team... Russia probably would have won 7-9 of 10. In this case, with one exception, Oregon has been the more impressive team. In all likelihood, Oregon would win 6-8 of 10 against Boise. And it would be absolutely asinine to reward Boise's joke of a schedule with Oregon being their only quality win with a trip to the championship game. While it will likely be a moot point, given the number of teams with a better claim to a championship berth than 1-loss Oregon (0 or 1-loss Bama, Florida, Texas, Iowa, PSU and maybe LSU), they are still more deserving of a berth than Boise State.
  9. Jacob
    9. Posted by Jacob Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:41 pm EST

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    Cincinnati plays in the Big East, and I believe that conference is the worst BCS conference, period. First, you've got a better shot at winning that conference by virtue of its size. Eight teams. That's a one in eight shot, even with up to 5 non conference losses! PATHETIC.
    Second, everyone else in the Big East stinks. If not for ESPN pimping the Big East purely for commercial reasons (lots of viewers in NY, Florida, Ohio, Pittsburgh, etc), they would not even be a BCS conference. Boise State, BYU, Utah, or TCU would all rule this conference, perennially. In fact, it should be mandated that these teams join the Big East conference just to improve college football.
  10. bsmooth3
    10. Posted by bsmooth3 Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:14 pm EST

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    Great point Butt Pirate. Iowa outscoring Indiana 28-0 in the 4th quarter had nothing to do with the win. Indiana still had all the momentum even after the TD reversal, which was a terrible call. Iowa won by 18 - unless TD are now worth 19, it wasn't enough.
  11. j s e
    11. Posted by j s e Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:20 pm EST

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    Everyone who is crying for a playoff system should be rooting for a Cincy or TCU or Boise to get into the CG game and win. Cincy's OOC schedule before the season began looked pretty good (Oreg St., Illinois, Fresno St). This looks much better than perennial powers like Fla, OSU, TX. Cincy went to Oreg ST and took care of business. That same team went to USC and lost by one TD, but UC winning that game amounts to nothing. Are you kidding me. When PITT beats Notre Dame, the so called experts will say that Notre Dame was bad all along, instead of giving props to the Big East.
    The problem is, people are afraid of the new era of college football. Teams like Cincy, Boise St are the future. Its about time that people start recognizing it.
  12. MichMusicMan
    12. Posted by MichMusicMan Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:22 pm EST

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    The whole concept of these articles are screaming "WE NEED A PLAYOFF IN NCAA FBS FOOTBALL!!!" It is ridiculous to accept that any 12-0 team would not be considered for the championship. I really hope the controversy hits a REAL HIGH this year. Imagine this scenario, which has a real possibility of occuring:
    Iowa wins its last 3 games, goes 12-0. Florida loses to LSU, which beats Alabama, making them both 12-1 and Alabama 11-1. In the meantime, Texas loses the Big 12 title game, ending up 12-1, and Cincinnati, TCU and Boise State all run the table. Who do YOU think deserves to be in the title game?? With a playoff, it wouldn't matter now would it? They would actually get to decide the championship ON THE FIELD, where it is supposed to be decided. Not in the minds of poll voters and BCS calculations.
  13. LongTrans
    13. Posted by LongTrans Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:58 pm EST

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    @ j s e: Sorry, but can't recognize those programs as the future of college football. Far from it. But hey, the Broncs can go back to the Poinsetta Bowl and lose again, fine by me. And Cinci, please. The last team they played of NC caliber was Oklahoma last year and they got drubbed. Then they proceed to lose in their bowl game. Until these teams win consistently for YEARS, they will always be wannabes. What really sucks is that we have to listen to you whine and cry about how good your team is and how you deserve a shot at the National Title. You're just not ready, by a long shot.
  14. bobby
    14. Posted by bobby Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:01 am EST

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    i am so tired of listening to people cry for a playoff. a playoff does not solve anything you will still have teams being passed over only worse try to pick a top 8 and listen to #9, #10, and #11 cry. A playoff would reward a strong team for joining or staying in a weak conferance ie boise state. Out of conf. games are scheduled by the schools if a team wants to play in a nc type game then they need to schedule that way this year boise state out of conf games were oregon, cal-davis, miami-ohio. and bowling green. this schedule is to make a won loss line look good. if a team plays in a strong conf. and face 4 or 5 ranked teams inside thier conf they can get away with scheduling weak out of conf but when you are the only ranked team in your conf. then you need to schedule strong out of conf. utah did the same thing last year they dropped texas from thier schedule then cried foul when they got passed over by fl and ok
  15. bobby
    15. Posted by bobby Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:35 am EST

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    ineedalover before you start to tell people how the world needs a playoff you should at least read records and results. so you know fl has already beat lsu. and how would a playoff be any better at deciding a champion you still have to pick the top 8 or whatever to be in that playoff and if you think you have people with valid arguments saying they should be #2 instead of #3 wait til the argument is does a 11-1 alabama stay home while a 9-3 temple or a 10-2 troy gets in your playoff this argument is all around stupid you fools that keep calling for a playoff do not want to discuss any facts or the problems a playoff causes. learn a lesson from your grandparents you do not throw the baby out with the bath water. yes the bcs needs work but sitting and blindly calling for a playoff will not fix anything
  16. LeonNonPeon
    16. Posted by LeonNonPeon Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:42 am EST

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    Bobby, you're stupid. Who cares if a playoff rewards a team in a weak conference. The point is that the question will be settled on the field. So if a weak conference team plays an SEC team, it will probably lose, right? (Yeah right - Utah vs Alabama last year.)
    You don't really know what would happen. So don't give me that crap about weak conferences, etc....
  17. LeonNonPeon
    17. Posted by LeonNonPeon Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:45 am EST

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    Bobby: Second of all, Oregon lost to who???? BOISE STATE. Give me a break.
  18. Marc
    18. Posted by Marc Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:43 am EST

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    To #5 Alex. Yes I understand that at face value it seems ludicrous to have a 1 loss Oregon team over an undefeated team who in fact beat them. 99% of the time I would be in agreement here. I am not an Oregon fan or anything, but right now I feel they are playing the best overall ball of anyone in the nation. For me SOS matters a lot. It is much easier to get up for 1 single game than to face the week in week out grind of a PAC-10 schedule. I know the SEC likes to say this as well, though I think it is flase with them, Florida can get to the SECCG by playing only 1 single ranked team, and that ranked team that they beat will have beaten no ranked teams themselves, so UF's schedule is a little sketchy. Do we really want to make the goal to schedule as soft and easy as possible to try and backdoor your way to the mnc game? Or shoudl we reward teams who can get through a very, very tough schedule with just a single loss? IMO an 11-1 team with a very strong top-5 or top-10 SOS trumps an undefeated team with a #30 or so SOS, much less a #60 or so one, which is where Boise will eind up and Cincinnati will not be much better. I do want to add that I think Boise St, Cincinnati, Iowa and others are very good teams, but not teams that are as of now worthy to be playing for a mnc. Also a 1 loss Oregon greatly trumps a 1 loss SEC team, without question. So if UF or Bama stumbles along the way they could be out of it as well.
  19. james
    19. Posted by james Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:24 am EST

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    the bcs system has already destroyed the other 4 bcs games with mismatches. don't make the national championship game meaningless. there is no way the cinncinatti belongs in the championship games, statistics and won loss records are meaningless when earned against inferior competition, either we need a playoff or throw the big east and big 10 out of the bcs, they are ruining the calabier of bcs bowl games by the entitled places they hold resulting in worthless mismatches, i use do look forward to the rose , orange, sugar, and fiesta bowls, not any more
  20. bobby
    20. Posted by bobby Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:04 am EST

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    leon the peon first not only does a playoff reward weak conf. it punishes strong ones and boise state has beat how many ranked teams lets see that would be ONE and a one loss alabama would have beat 5 tell me again how a mid major belongs in a discussion for a championship and you called me stupid right for that matter a one loss oregon team would have beat 4 ranked teams and thier only loss would be to a ranked team they would deserve to play in a championship game ahead of boise take note mid majors are 18 of 85 against big six teams so far this year. and that said dont get me wrong if a mid-major would schedule strong out of conf. and play 3 or 4 ranked teams then they would deserve the same shot as a big six but so long as they schedule teams like miami-ohio and cal davis they have not earned a shot on the field
  21. Mat
    21. Posted by Mat Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:15 am EST

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    james
    -Whoa... you're trying to compare the Big 10 to the Big East? Are you freaking kidding me? The Big 10 is probably the 2nd best conference in the country right now. Iowa and PSU could both win the ACC, Big 12, Big East or Pac 10 and would have a fighting chance in the SEC. The only Big 12 and Pac 10 teams that could win the Big 10 this year are Texas and Oregon. No one from the ACC or Big East could. And I'd take OSU and Wisconsin over any other conference's 3 & 4 teams.
    Just because the Big 10 doesn't do well when playing up (our 4 v. their 2, our 5 v. their 3 etc) in bowl games that are essentially on the road, doesn't mean we're a bad conference.
  22. Valhalla360
    22. Posted by Valhalla360 Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:04 am EST

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    I think a lot of people don't understand the economics of college football. I don't claim it's right, but think about it. If the goal was to have big games every week the following would be logical:
    1) Reorganize into 8 leagues of 10 teams each (snag some of the better non-big 6 teams to fill out the 80 teams needed).
    2) Each team plays 9 conference games (ie: full round robin play).
    3) 3 non-confence games are with 3 teams from 3 different conferences (no div II powder puffs allowed). Ideally each conference would play a rougly equal number of teams from each conference. While not perfect, there would be enough inter conference games to get a real good idea of how strong each conference is.
    4) The champion of each league would go to an 8 team playoff (include a tie breaker system for the confernce champ).
    Any undefeated team would automatically get to the playoff. Since you play every team in your conference, you either win the conference or you have at least 1 loss. If you keep winning you can go all the way to the championship.
    You can even keep the other bowls for the remaining teams.
    Sounds great in theory. The problem:
    Right now all you need is a 6-6 record to qualify for a bowl. Assuming we don't start sending teams with lossing records to bowls, gone are the days of sending the 7-8 teams to a bowl. Without the 3-4 powederpuff games to pump up the number of wins, you are probably looking at an average of 5 teams per league making a bowl. In a down year you may only get a couple bowl games. Some would argue that is good as there are too many bowls, but that means most leagues lose around 2-3 bowl games per year along with the money and exposure that they bring. It also makes the revenue much more variable. Occasionally a league can't fill all it's tie ins and loses a low level bowl that doesn't pay much. If you only get 2 bowls and your champion loses in the first round, you lose the income from a couple of big to moderate level bowls.
    Given the fact that football and bowl games are cash cows for these universities and the confernces have revenue sharing on the bowls (ie: even the cellar dweller gets some money when the #8 team goes to the toilet bowl), why would they want a change the system.
  23. Dan
    23. Posted by Dan Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:41 am EST

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    Marc: ". . . so UF's schedule is a little sketchy"
    According to Jeff Sagarin, UF has the third toughest schedule amongst the top ten teams. Cincinnati and Boise St. have the easiest schedules (again, within those teams ranked in the top ten).
  24. BobL
    24. Posted by BobL Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:00 am EST

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    bobby, if LSU beats Bama and wins out, they would face Florida in Atlanta. That's the game being mentioned. It's best not to jump in and criticize someone for not keeping up, something you yourself apparently can't do.
    I'm an SEC guy, and I'm all for a playoff. I'm hoping for chaos, it's our best chance.

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