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One of the Doc's ironclad rules when reading Venerable Sports Columnists is "Always Disagree with John Feinstein." It doesn't matter what he's saying, really, but when it comes to college football, he just tends to be a step or two behind. Last year, for example, he called Navy's very predictable win over 1-7 Notre Dame "a miracle." I used to get angry whenever I came across a Feinstein column or one of his regular interviews on NPR. Now, I just go the other way.

Case in point: Feinstein's appeal in today's Washington Post for AP voters to cast their No. 1 votes for Utah on Friday morning, purely for the sake of sticking it to the BCS. I'm not normally much of a fisker, and actually, I'm cool with the blatant antagonism; with Utah's case for a split championship, too. But just how closely did he review those schedules before submitting this thing?

First of all, the strength-of-schedule argument is bogus. How tough did Texas Tech and Oklahoma State prove to be in the postseason? Beyond that, consider this: Do you think anyone from a BCS conference is going to start a home-and-home with Utah -- or Boise State or TCU or Brigham Young -- anytime soon? No. The BCS schools would rather schedule Coastal Carolina and Wofford and Pacific (to name a few teams that played BCS powers this year) than schedule Utah, especially on the road. Michigan did deign to play the Utes at home and we all know how that turned out. In retrospect, it might have been one of Michigan's better performances all fall.

First of all, teams from BCS conferences regularly schedule home-and-home series with Utah, Boise State, TCU and Brigham Young. Since 2002 (in no particular order), Georgia Tech, Stanford, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Boston College, Arizona, Texas A&M, North Carolina, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Texas Tech and UCLA have all played a home-and-home series with one of those four teams; the Bruins actually had a home-and-home with Utah in 2005-06, then another one with BYU in 2007-08. Both the Cougars and Utes have hosted at least one BCS conference team every year this decade except 2001.

Secondly -- and I understand the point he's making here -- but which "BCS power" lined up against Pacific, again? That's a true cupcake right there, considering Pete Carroll's alma mater folded its football program in 1995. Feinstein could have thrown a dart at a list of I-AA teams and hit an example of some sadsack that fell against an elite team this year -- Chattanooga, The Citadel, Western Kentucky -- and instead he picked the one that hasn't existed for over a decade. Truly, AP voters, this is the man from which you should be taking your cues.

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  1. adder30
    1. Posted by adder30 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:13 pm EDT

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    Note to self: stay on the Doc's good side for fear of precision verbal retribution.
  2. big_bull_66
    2. Posted by big_bull_66 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    western kentucky will join the sunbelt next year, they are technically 1-A, not saying the sunbelt really is 1-A, but technically speaking...
  3. LD
    3. Posted by LD Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:01 pm EDT

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    Feinstein writes like an NFL fan who browses the CFB aisle while talking to his buddies about the NFL.
  4. PPKing
    4. Posted by PPKing Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:55 pm EDT

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    Get Boise State out of the WAC and put them in the MWC and then the conference is worthy of an automatic bid. BTW Pac-10 didn't look too bad this year after all, going undefeated in bowls, should that make Utah's case even better for a split title.
    www.camp-sports.com
  5. El Boricua
    5. Posted by El Boricua Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:29 pm EDT

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    No, that make a better case for USC, which if wasnt for the one fluke against Orst, they would had been undefeated!!! Trojans National Champions!!!
  6. JS
    6. Posted by JS Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:28 pm EDT

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    I agree with Doc and hope Feistein's advocacy doesn't hurt Utah's case. The only reason the AP voters should vote for Utah--is because they clearly deserve it based on what they did all season long on the field. The reason we didn't see such an outcry for Boise St. to be #1 when they beat Oklahoma--is that Oklahoma was not considered as good as this year's Alabama team--and Boise didn't completely crush them like Utah beat Alabama. After Utah's incredible performance, there is no logical argument supporting another team for #1. Unfortunately, that still likely won't be enough for Utah.
  7. Steve C
    7. Posted by Steve C Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:19 pm EDT

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    Texas was originally scheduled to play Utah this past year, as part of a 2-for-1 deal, Texas getting two home games. Utah backed out. Which Feinstein of course ignores or, if he's acting like so many typical mainstream journalists these days, couldn't be bothered to check. I mean, that would hurt the story!
    It would have been a home game for the Utes, by the way.
    http://blogs.sltrib.com/utes/2008/12/matchup-that-could-have-been.htm
    I'm doubt the decision was as one-sided as the linked blogger makes it - I'm sure it was a mutual decision agreed to by both programs. But if it was Utah getting the two home games and Texas the one, I can't imagine seeing Utah meekly going along with the cancellation no matter how much money Texas threw at them. Instead of two road games against the Horns, they (presumably) got to schedule two nominally weaker teams at Rice-Eccles in place of Texas.
    And I couldn't really blame the Utes for it. This year would have included a road game at Michigan and a home game against Texas. From Meyer's perspective at the time, I'm sure that looked unnecessarily murderous. Point being, making Utah out to be some program that every "big-time" school is looking to duck is overstating the case.
    In this environment, all schools - even Utah - have to measure the risk/reward involved in any scheduling decisions.
  8. Clam
    8. Posted by Clam Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:57 pm EDT

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    Had Oregon State beaten Oregon in November, it would have significantly changed the dynamics of this discussion. Oregon State would have played in the Rose Bowl against Penn State in a rematch with no ramifications and little audience. That would have left USC vs. likely Texas in the Fiesta Bowl and Utah vs. Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. I think the winner of a USC/Texas matchup would run away with the AP polling. If only If...
  9. weary of it all
    9. Posted by weary of it all Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:43 pm EDT

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    no playoff, no legitimacy, period, end of story
  10. John
    10. Posted by John Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:39 pm EDT

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    5-0 baby that's what the Pac-10 has done... As usual we get srewed by the BCS polls. We need a play-off system!
    An Old Blue
  11. D unit
    11. Posted by D unit Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:37 pm EDT

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    I respect USC, but have to laugh about USC fans thinking they are or should be #1 and laugh about Pete Carroll's comments after the game....did he forget they already lost???? He and the USC nation must have! Given the fact that Utah beat 4 top 25 teams this year and two that will likely be ranked in the top 10 in the final standings, and the fact that they beat Oregon State, and didn't lose to them like USC, how could you even put USC in line or above Utah? I don't care how talented USC is, the simple fact is they didn't get the job done. Utah did. If anyone has a gripe about the national title it should be Utah and no one else. Texas, you barely beat a 10-3 Ohio State team that got hammered by USC. Boo hoo.
  12. duff
    12. Posted by duff Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:49 pm EDT

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    The system is flawed no matter how you look at it. If the NFL had used the same system as the BCS the Giants would not have been in the Super Bowl. All conference champs should get in to the playoffs with a couple of at large bids. Problem solved. Then if a two loss team wins the playoffs then they deserve to be NATIONAL CHAMPS, not because you have good marketing skills (LSU)!
  13. texas_dead1
    13. Posted by texas_dead1 Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:57 pm EDT

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    Oklahoma plays TCU next year..first game..new Cowboy Stadium..we played them this year..we played them last year what is this idiot Fienstien talking about or does he not think that OU is a BCS team???
  14. DavidRich
    14. Posted by DavidRich Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:38 pm EDT

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    oh come on now you guys, we all know that texas is the best team in college football. they finished the season with only one loss, like everyone except utah, and they were the only team to beat oklahoma. by the way, oklahoma is goin to demolish florida.
  15. 1 of 4
    15. Posted by 1 of 4 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:43 pm EDT

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    All the USC fans talk about their great defense. But even Pete Caroll admitted in an ESPN article that the SC defense was matched up against some of the worst QBs the PAC 10 had to offer. 4 of the teams USC played had offense that were ranked 105 or lower including the two POS Washington schools. The worst offensive team Utah played against was Wyoming (ranked 103) and they went and beat Tenessee at Tenessee.
    USC would not know what to do with Utah's defense. UCLA sacked Sanchez twice and hit him hard so many times that he did not suit up until the week before the Rose Bowl. Imagine the licks Utah's defense would put on Sanchez. Sanchez's grill would look like my Mexican gardener's mower.
    USC was very lucky in that most of their tough PAC 10 games were home games this year such as Cal and Oregon. USC squeaked by in road games such as at Arizona, and of course there was the loss at Oregon State in Corvalis.
    USC is so believing their own press it's just sick. USC would never schedule Utah home and home because they know they'd lose in Salt Lake. Other PAC 10 such as UCLA have scheduled Utah home and home. USC won't because there is only downside for them and they are downright scared to play Utah.
  16. Pete C
    16. Posted by Pete C Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:17 pm EDT

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    I've got an outside the box idea to help college football that involves:
    1. Reconfingured conferences
    2. Required intraconference play between BCS conferences
    3. Soccer style relegation between BCS and non-BCS schools
    Check it out, www.petecunningham.net/?p=106#more-106
  17. daniel a
    17. Posted by daniel a Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:14 pm EDT

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    Matt - You are an idiot... But thanks for pointing out that the SEC, the little ten, and the big 12 are too afraid to play non-patsies... I hope I dont accidentally read any of your garbage again.
  18. just4funsies
    18. Posted by just4funsies Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:44 pm EDT

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    Feinstein is a TOOL. Anybody who believes more than 3% of what that idiot says just hasn't been paying attention.
  19. jhyatt
    19. Posted by jhyatt Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:06 pm EDT

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    i'm going to lose it if i hear about the pac 10's 5-0 bowl record again. it's great and we're all impressed, but the conference couldn't even fill its allotted 7 spots - b/c the conference was NOT GOOD this year. the wac went 5-1 (i believe) against them and the washington schools had one win between them. ONE WIN! even the sec's kentucky and vandy and god-awful tennessee and auburn had more than one win.
    it's enough already!
  20. Douglas
    20. Posted by Douglas Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:40 pm EDT

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    Just have an 8 team playoff - what are the big conferences afraid of? What a bunch of whimps?
    Put up or shut up!
  21. Brandon M
    21. Posted by Brandon M Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:30 pm EDT

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    Quote from DavidRich: oh come on now you guys, we all know that texas is the best team in college football. they finished the season with only one loss, like everyone except utah, and they were the only team to beat oklahoma. by the way, oklahoma is goin to demolish florida.
    Wow....you should really read what you write before you post it...Only one loss thats your arguement...Like everyone except Utah....Great justification bud =)
    Its all opinions and most bone head fans think their teams are better and that certain conferences are better.
    Whatever does it really matter that the SEC puts out the most best teams, no. What matters is the best team and whos to say that cant come from the MWC or WAC or whatever. Just because you have a big name and your in a big conference shouldnt decide if your champs...Im sick of this BS from people saying the BCS makes the regular season matter!! does it? 35 bowls...70 teams...theres what 119 teams in D1? thats more than half the teams in D1 getting a chance to call their season a success because they won the Captial One interdepent national victory Bowl. YAY!!! With an 8 team playoff the season still matters so much...1 loss is all you can afford in that case...and whats the plus side of it all....A TRUE CHAMPION that for once no one can say oh but this and this and this. Also a team like tcu, boise st, or utah gets a chance to show how good they really are. When it comes down to it this season all you need to know is this. Utah beat everyone on their schedule. 3 of which were in the top 16. Not to mention a total of 7 bowl teams if you care about that stuff. No one else went undefeated this year. They did what was asked of them. No one else did.
  22. Peter K
    22. Posted by Peter K Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:07 pm EDT

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    BCS basher's like myself were rooting for this one to happen in hopes Utah will become the ultimate catalyst for an inept, corrupt system that benefits only a few special interest groups. Lets hope with the Utah win, pressure from the President-Elect, and pressure from congress, we can rid ourselves once and for all of a dated and boring bowl system. Every sports fan I talked to this holiday season had nothing but negative things to say about the current college football post-season. All agreed it is time for a 16 team playoff that begins the first weekend in December and culminates on New Years Day with a National title game. And, to put to rest one of the arguments BCS proponents constantly mutter, everyone I spoke with would be in favor of having the top seeds host games in the first two rounds, eliminating the "the fans will have to travel too much for off-site games each weekend." argument. The other argument that makes me laugh is "a playoff will render our regular season meaningless." In case those folks missed it, the NFL (which has a playoff) had one of the most exciting regular season weekends I can remember with 11 teams fighting for playoff spots in a single weekend. That was riveting TV and proof that a playoff only intensifies the regular season games as teams fight for postseason spots. The time is now Olin, the media and our elected officials need to keep the heat on the NCAA to take control of its College Football postseason and crush the BCS coalition once and for all.
  23. Forest Ranger
    23. Posted by Forest Ranger Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:54 pm EDT

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    Feinstein isn't really a journalist as much as he's a storyteller- which explains why his books are pretty decent, and his columns are usually off-base, poorly researched, and quickly picked up by non-sports media such as NPR, etc. He's got a creative storyteller's imagination- and unfortunately he writes from his imagination instead of from facts. It does make me wonder how much "fuzzing" has gone on in his books.
  24. Jim M
    24. Posted by Jim M Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:28 pm EDT

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    If I had a vote it would probably go to Utah in spite of your fallacious babble and the inaccurate babbling of Feinstein.
    Utah completed a 13 - 0 undefeated season after soundly beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl (virtually a home game for the tide). They sealed a perfect season with some victories against ranked opponents. In my view, the National champion is crowned based on the season, not just on a final championship game with teams chosen in a subjective and highly biased fashion. Winning 13 games in a row is very, very difficult regardless of strength of schedule. It is indeed an impressive thing and I believe makes the Utes deserving of champion status.

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