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Predicting the offseason consensus.

There's no database for these things yet -- to the relief of the people who construct them, no doubt -- but a quick search reveals the following "Way-Too-Early Top 25" polls for 2009, in no particular order:

Mark Schlabach (ESPN)
Bruce Feldman (ESPN)
• Tony Barnhart (Atlanta Journal-Constitution)
Rivals.com
• NationalChamps.net
Pat Dooley (Gainesville Sun)
Stewart Mandel (Sports Illustrated)
Matt Hayes (The Sporting News)
Dennis Dodd (CBS)
Joe Person (The State)

OK, that's enough. All of those efforts claim to recognize the absurdity of a preseason poll in January -- there's enough evidence for the absurdity of preseason polls in August, after all -- but they have one other feature in common, one that will almost certainly survive the spring and summer barring some kind of calamity: Florida and Texas are at the top of every one. Usually in that order. You can find a rare exception or two, but barring the odd case of irrational love for Oklahoma State, the stage is set: Tebow and McCoy are back, with far more returning starters than Oklahoma or USC, and the Gators and 'Horns will open up as overwhelming favorites.

Mandel goes so far to bite on a reader's suggestion that Florida and Texas are on a "collision course" for the mythical championship game, and it's hard to argue otherwise on paper -- with nine returning starters on offense and the entire two-deep coming back on defense, it's impossible to argue against Florida's potential to repeat by any logic beyond "predictions are stupid"; at least Texas loses some key members of its overwhelming defensive line, opening the door a bit for Oklahoma ... or, uh, Oklahoma State, if you prefer. Still, when you add up the massive losses on the offensive line and at receiver for OU and on Southern Cal's defense (the Trojans lose eight top-notch starters, to say nothing of Mark Sanchez on the other side), there's no coherent way to deny Florida and Texas the top two spots unless you're specifically trying.

There's only one other plausible meme, really, and it's a longshot to catch on: USC as force of nature. Based on overwhelming recruiting and consistency the Trojans still fit the category better than anyone except Florida; SC is the only team in the nation to finish in the final top four each of the last seven years, during which time no one else has even made it into the top-12 on an annual basis. Another round of blowouts in their biggest games made the Trojans look again like unparalleled, hulking monoliths when it comes to sheer physical talent.

If Mark Sanchez had returned, maybe the USC-Florida "collision course" had a chance to take hold. With a new, unproven quarterback, though, joining a mostly young, unproven defense and the maddening tendency to drop some random October road game -- after four inexplicable upsets in three years, all but one on the road, a stumble at Cal or Oregon might be almost expected -- the Trojans can drop their usual claim to unquestioned preseason glory. They'll have to settle for, like, No. 3 instead, which ain't bad, really, as long as Texas or Florida has at least one pratfall in there somewhere.

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  1. just4funsies
    1. Posted by just4funsies Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:44 pm EDT

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    I won't go so far as to say that predictions are stupid, but they ARE irrelevant. No matter WHAT happens, there's always some wise-ass who SAID it would. Let's just play the games...
  2. Zachary K
    2. Posted by Zachary K Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:00 pm EDT

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    Nah, USC'll be up for Cal and Oregon, because those teams will be ranked and those games will be hyped and so on. A herculean Jake Locker effort might do the trick, because that'll be about the time pundits start fawning over USC's 24-point win @OSU.
  3. Year2
    3. Posted by Year2 Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:28 pm EDT

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    In the Texas parts of the Internet, there's a pretty strong movement trying to draw as many parallels as possible between Texas in 2008 and Texas in 2004. The BON folks have been chatting about it for a while, and it's been slowly filtering up the news vine. The theory, it seems, is that it sets 2009 Texas up to be like 2005 Texas. A small subset of these people have been trying to link 2008/9 Florida with 2004/5 USC.
    I suppose there's a lot to the part about the 'Horns (maybe you could do a comparison sometime), but Florida in 2009 will be very different from USC in 2005. For one thing, Florida's Reggie Bush analogue is off to the NFL. But beyond that, all 22 members of the Gators' two-deep on defense is returning, and with S Dorian Munroe (who was going to start before tearing an ACL) getting healthy, it's like having 12 returning starters.
    That 2005 USC defense lost quite a bit from the year before and was not a vintage Pete Carroll defense. With Charlie Strong inexplicably getting passed over for every head coaching job again, there's reason to think the 2009 Florida D might approach the level that the 2008 USC defense attained.
  4. Alaska Hokie
    4. Posted by Alaska Hokie Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:36 pm EDT

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    Please, Virginia Tech, don't pull a Clemson.
    Glad to see so many writers taking the Hokies into account. It'll be interesting to see where they put Tech after spring practices and then again prior to next season. With the increasing parity we've seen in the NCAA, anything on the sunny side of No. 15 in the preseason polls puts a team in contention for the national championship if they go undefeated. Barring, of course, an absolutely crazy season like the one two years ago.
  5. bigtexbd
    5. Posted by bigtexbd Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    Possible hard pill to swallow for Texas: should they go undefeated they might not be top 2 in the final BCS standings. We know that USC is prone to random upset, but if they can avoid that and go undefeated they'd likely move ahead of Texas at some point. Texas will be killed by its patsy non-con games and the big 12 won't be as good as it (supposedly) was last year. An undefeated USC team would have a win at the Shoe on its resume, which is likely more impressive than anything Texas would muster (unless Okie State somehow lives up to it's early hype and ends the season with only 1 or 2 losses, in which case Texas would have one neutral top ten victory (OU) and one road top ten victory (OSU)). Of course, all this assumes the Fightin Tebows do indeed tear their opponents new ones.
    Next season should be fun. It's gonna be a long 7 1/2 months til then.
  6. Aaron
    6. Posted by Aaron Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:47 pm EDT

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    Neither team will be there. The Buckeyes will win the National title.
  7. schaef77
    7. Posted by schaef77 Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:08 pm EDT

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    I dont know if i totally agree with Airon but i dont know what game these people watched between the Buckeyes and the Longhorns but had OSU not been flaged for a helmet to helmet call that was clearly seen in the replay that it was a hit in the shoulder pads and Texas scored on that drive forget about the lousy spot for a first down late in the game where the refs got a fist down marker confused as the goal line the Buckeye defense held Mcoy in check and they go on to win that game relatively easy people mite be saying look out for the buckeyes next year.
  8. 4.0 Point Stance
    8. Posted by 4.0 Point Stance Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    FYI, Louisiana State will be competing for SEVERAL national titles in the next few years.
  9. bigtexbd
    9. Posted by bigtexbd Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    schaef77: the refs called a "hand-to-helmet" not a "helmet-to-helmet." That guy was flagged for it earlier in the game, too. If you watch the replay you'll see his left hand hit mccoy in the face.
    You also might want to think about using punctuation every now and then.
  10. marcillac
    10. Posted by marcillac Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:06 pm EDT

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    @Year 2. Excellent point respecting superiority of Florida 09 over USC 05. Further, Colt McCoy, however great (and I think he clearly deserved the unmentionable despite great efforts from Bradford and Tebow) is not Vince Young and the latter had to be himself to the umpteenth degree to pull out that victory. Collison course, perhpas, but barring numerous injuriies repeat for Tebow.
  11. JB
    11. Posted by JB Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:18 pm EDT

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    I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. Year after year the horns find a way to fold up just when no one is suspecting. A&M, KU, TTech. One next yr in Stillwater seems logical, i guess to everybody. Fla sure looks like the real deal, i;m really impressed with their secondary. Tebow will be Tebow, and no one can shut that offense down, just have to make them execute and hopefully hold, drop a pass, etc.
    Fla going to ole Miss, plus reg schedule, tough. Trojans going to the horseshoe with Buckeyes and Pryor thinking they're better then they are, and I like oregon and Arz cats.
    Would have liked to have seen USC and Fla finish the season this yr in the plus one.
    Maybe Horns and Utes in the pretender bowl.
  12. drewshands
    12. Posted by drewshands Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:32 pm EDT

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    In response to the post by MJ, Florida does not play Ole Miss this either. With 8 SEC games, Ole Miss will play the 5 other Western Division Teams (Auburn, Arkansas, Alabama, Miss. State, LSU) plus one team from the Eastern Division (they play Vanderbilt every year) and a rotation of 2 teams left from Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Tennessee as a 2-year home/road series. This year happens to be first year of the Tennessee and the second year of the South Carolina home/road series.
    If you can remember, Florida played at Ole Miss in 2007. Florida barely escaped with a win, being 23 point favorites (or something crazy like that).
  13. drewshands
    13. Posted by drewshands Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:32 pm EDT

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    Florida does not play Ole Miss this year**
  14. just4funsies
    14. Posted by just4funsies Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:44 pm EDT

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    @drewshands: "Florida does not play Ole Miss this year."
    They just might. In Atlanta.
  15. Rob
    15. Posted by Rob Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:44 pm EDT

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    Don't sleep on Oregon. The Ducks return a couple of talented RBs, and the WR position is one where someone always steps up. The Ducks were very deep this season on defense, and players are usually ready to step in when the seniors leave. Led by a trio of exceptional junior linebackers, look for the Ducks to make a huge run at the national title this season. The schedule sets up well, with a road vengeance game at Boise State, and Utah and Purdue at home in non-conference. Then the Ducks get Cal, USC, and Oregon State all at home.
  16. man29
    16. Posted by man29 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:05 pm EDT

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    Texas vrs Florida....everyone else just needs to go sit down and watch the game...lol....Texas is the only team that needs to play florida in a national champ game...texas and florida have been the most consistant teams the past couple of years...3-0 in bcs...and 5 straight bowl wins...what 9... 10 win seasons..2 12 win seasons...We have to heisman winners..in ricky williams and earl campbell...and Texas should have had 2 more heisman winners..Young and Mycoy..lol....The college football world robbed both players...Reggie bush with all that first round talent on offense was not better than vince young who led his team against the most overrated team in history(usc)..and this year we all know what happened to colt....lol...I'm thinkn the college football world won't let Texas get too big headed but we deserved all three...both heisman's..and the national champ game..But not to worry we're coming gators...lol......Quit cheatn Texas out of things they already earned...And whoever said anything about Ohio st ur crazy..lol..Texas beat ohio state with no running back...lol..and Texas didn't even want to play in that sorry game but we still won..We didn't end up like alabama...Texas could have killed Ohio state..Ohio state was holding brian orakpo all game and only got what one holding call..lol..refs were trying to keep this game close ohio state fans..texas threw a pick going in to score that would have put even more pressure on pryor..what did ohio state do wrong? nothing and they still lost..Texas played just too win and that's exactly what they did..No reasson tryn to blow out Ohio st..were not oklahoma soo you should think Texas ohio st fans because the refs and our coaches wanted to keep this one close for ohio state sake..lol..Pryor going out for passes? pryor fumbling and some how it bounced right back to him? And all the lucky catches ohio state made on some 3rd downs? and the pass inter on 3rd and what 18..both players were pushing..refs keeping it close..tips balls caught accidently..lol...diving long grabs on 3 down..that to me is not a team who should have won the game..no...Have the best young qb in college football..and a 1st round running back in wells..who was knocked out due to hard hits..Ohio state fans you lost the game...Ohio st had what 28 seniors !!! lol....Texas had 8 seniors on the team this year..I think that says alot right there...Ohio state is lacking in talent when your senior qb doesn't start..Don't blame the refs ohio st fans blame your coaches and talent...which both are lacking..
  17. man29
    17. Posted by man29 Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:05 pm EDT

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    Ya'll see where Texas is in recruiting...lol..We gearing up for another big season..And it seems now that out of state kids are running down to the Univ of Texas to sign up...... if Texas gets a running back..lol..I feel sorry for all the teams out there...Had Texas had Jamal charles and jermichal Finley both who left early last year for the Nfl it's a no brainer texas would have crushed all the college football records..Colt did all this on his own...Jamal charles was one of the fastest players in college football..And finley one of the fastest and best recieving tightends....So I rest my case...Ou players aren't confident enough to leave early beacuse they lose big games and there stock drops after the bowl games...And somebody also said something about ok st beatn Texas in 2009? lol..That's crazy...your running your mouth too much...When has ok st ever beatn Texas? When vince young was at Texas...Ok st was winning by 28 points at halftime...And still lost that game..first series Texas got the ball Vince Young 98 yrds to the crib..get real ok st isn't ready for big time football !!!

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