Memphis won’t release NCAA vacated win response

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The University of Memphis refused on Wednesday to release the NCAA’s response to its appeal of a ruling that vacated the 2007-08 men’s basketball season.

Memphis’s legal counsel Sheryl Lipman said they can’t produce the document because they didn’t receive a copy, and instead read a version of it through the NCAA’s Web site. The university says NCAA rules prohibit the university from printing the document for the media off the association’s Web site.

The Associated Press had requested the document under Tennessee’s Open Records Act.

The NCAA did not immediately return a telephone message left late Wednesday afternoon at the association’s office in Indianapolis.

In a similar public records case, a Florida court ruled last month the NCAA must release documents on Florida State University’s appeal of an academic cheating penalty. The NCAA tried to keep them secret on a read-only, secure Web site.

Memphis filed a brief supporting its appeal Oct. 8, and the NCAA’s Infractions Appeals Committee had 30 days to respond. Now both Memphis and the NCAA’s enforcement staff have a chance to comment. Memphis will get the last chance to respond before the appeal hearing before the committee.

Memphis is arguing that the NCAA Committee on Infractions imposed unprecedented penalties and used improper reasoning to wipe out the Tigers’ 38 wins in a season that ended with an overtime loss to Kansas in the national championship.

The school’s 45-page brief targets the so-called “strict liability” standard imposed after the NCAA ruled a player believed to be Derrick Rose was retroactively ineligible because of an SAT score that was invalidated by the Educational Testing Service in May 2008.

“The Committee’s statement concerning the finding that this is a ‘strict liability situation’ is not supported by evidence, precedent or logic,” Memphis argued in the brief.

By upholding the penalties given to Memphis under the “strict-liability” standard, the school argues it sets a precedent that “will apply to (future) situations that do not warrant such treatment and could result in outcomes unacceptable to the Division 1 membership.”

A copy of that appeal was obtained under Tennessee’s open records law. The university has complied with all previous records request involving this case.

Updated Nov 19, 12:53 am EST
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  1. Bobby B
    286. Posted by Bobby B Fri Nov 20 1:41pm EST

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    Matt, why do you have a girl as your avatar,or should I say Michelle.
  2. Matt A
    285. Posted by Matt A Fri Nov 20 11:30am EST

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    Lame
  3. Bobby B
    284. Posted by Bobby B Thu Nov 19 9:19pm EST

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    Who asked you nutsack?
  4. none
    283. Posted by none Thu Nov 19 5:34pm EST

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    Why is Booby B even talking basketball. He is from Vagina I mean Virginia. Do they have any good sports teams in that state? I can't think of any.
  5. Bobby B
    282. Posted by Bobby B Thu Nov 19 3:45pm EST

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    #258.Get over yourself.Nobody fears Ky.For what? The only thing I fear is the horsepiles and rattlesnakes.God , nobody is scared of Ky. man.
  6. Shawn S
    281. Posted by Shawn S Thu Nov 19 2:29pm EST

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    I laugh at the majority of people on here trying to say that this mess that Memphis is in is somehow Calipari's fault. For that matter, why is the UMass thing his issue as well? Who here honestly thinks he wanted Camby to secretly take gifts and such from someone trying to lure him to the NBA? What sense does that even make? The real culprit in this mess at Memphis is the NCAA and their damned Clearing House. Also, the one year rule is another fugitive, as it's stupid. College programs should not be subjected as the filters for these kids who are only going to be one and dones. If they want to make the jump to the NBA, and teams there will gamble on them, then why should the NBA be any different than any other working force in the US? If you're believed to have the skills neccessary for the job, there should be no barrier there to prevent one from just that. The rule needs to be abandoned, and the NCAA needs to take the hit on this Rose issue, not Memphis, and especially not Coach Cal.
  7. Memphis2008
    280. Posted by Memphis2008 Thu Nov 19 2:13pm EST

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    Of course they are not going to comment. They don't want people to know the truth. Like Calipari, Tiger High has a very long history of cheating. Don't believe me? You wouldn't believe all the problems they have had there. Check out onlyinmemphis.wordpress.com That guy has a the scoop on that program.
  8. Bobby B
    279. Posted by Bobby B Thu Nov 19 1:23pm EST

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    I think Kelvin Sampson has a different take on Calipari.He just made some early phone calls and hes banned from coaching.Calipari is protected by insane rules by the NCAA while the players and fans suffer.I have no respect for the guy and really hope he fails the rest of his career.Same for Rose,if he didnt take and pass his SAT.
  9. Joseph
    278. Posted by Joseph Thu Nov 19 11:03am EST

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    The NCAA Infractions committee has way overstepped its bounds by having an inept Clearinghouse call the shots
  10. Matt A
    277. Posted by Matt A Thu Nov 19 11:01am EST

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    GUILTY. What a JOKE for that University. LOL LOL
  11. George
    276. Posted by George Thu Nov 19 10:56am EST

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    A few of questions:

    1. Why is the AP headlining this story "Memphis conceals NCAA response to appeal (AP) ", when the article really says it is the NCAA that is not releasing the response for publication?

    2. Why was Calipari absolved of any responsibility for what D. Rose may have done, BEFORE the NCAA had a hearing about this?

    3. What does NCAA clearance to play really mean?
  12. <i>eb122155au</i>
    275. Posted by eb122155au Thu Nov 19 1:38am EST

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    This is how the NCAA treats Mid-Majors. If Memphis could ever get into a BCS conference, this would not happen.
  13. J H
    274. Posted by J H Wed Nov 18 11:06pm EST

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    To:: aaacats99 ...Being a UNC grad and fan, I never said winning a championship signified being a good coach. I am however, glad UNC hired Roy Williams who I think one day will catch and surpass Bobby Knight, but thats just my opinion based on the FACT, he won 500 games faster than anyone in history. Please correct me if Im wrong, but being a lifelong tar heels fan, I cant remember Carolina ever being penalized, made to vacate games won or pay back money because of violations. Roy Williams stands for class and I remember he backed off James Oncurry because of being involved in drugs.....also didnt take a interest in John Wall because of his ties with his aau coach, so that tells me Coach Williams 'cares' for the program at UNC and refuses to recruit people who have questionable pasts. Im sure if he broke any rules, the NCAA would step in, which hasnt happened.
    As for winning championships, I have been very happy UNC won it in 2005, again in 2009 and will probally win a few more before he retires, but win or lose, Im a huge fan of Coach Roy Williams and support him and all UNC sports 100%.
  14. <i>aaacats99</i>
    273. Posted by aaacats99 Wed Nov 18 10:35pm EST

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    i just need to make sure i have this arguement correct. coach cal is not a good coach because out of over 300 div 1 basketball teams, hence over 300 coaches, he did not win the national championship. good arguement. in the past 2 year only 4 coaches have taken their schools to the championship game (my math is astute). so thats 4/lets just round it to 375 which equals .011 or 1% of coaches to make it to that game, putting him in the top 99 percentile for the past 2 years..............................FREAKING HORRIBLE!!!! MY GOD THE GUY SUCKS!!!! unc and ku fans if winning a championship is the only thing that signifies being a good coach, then why the hell did you hire roy williams and bill self respectively? they had ZERO titles combined upon their hire, therefore they were horrible coaches. i guess they only became good coaches once they got over that hump.

    as far as the whole cheating thing, seriously, put it to frickin rest unless you're a communist not living in an "innocent until proven guilty" society. at UMASS who told on camby and gave up HIS final 4? the answer to that riddle is calipari. he did the right thing and brought it up to the NCAA. then just like pitino, got lured by the nba to feed his ego, and coach in the pro's. i'll be honest, he has an ego, but just like pitino and donovan, he uses that as an asset. memphis happened to be the best job opening when he realized coaching pros and college were completely different realms. i remember memphis fans being excited about the hire. now just because he found a prettier cheerleader who wears a lot of jewelry to go dancing with, you want to disgrace him? he dumped you, and even though you tried to buy him off and top uk's offer, he just couldn't go back to you. instead of bashing your old coach, how about supporting your new coach who A) you would not have if it wasn't for calipari and B) honestly has the work ethic to surpass bobby knight for victories one day. remember, one day long ago knight and coach k were young coaches no one had heard of being offered an opportunity.
  15. KD
    272. Posted by KD Wed Nov 18 10:24pm EST

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    I think the main reason of this appeal is not about the infraction, but rather fairness. The NCAA arbitrarily applies punishment that seems to favor some programs over others. Why does Duke get no punishment when Corey Maggette gets money from an agent and UMass & Michigan get hit hard? Why does UNC get away with NBA players illegally recruiting players? The NCAA needs to EQUALLY follow their own rules. Memphis is just calling them out for their bias.
  16. james
    271. Posted by james Wed Nov 18 7:55pm EST

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    Well said J H. Cal has never been a good all around coach. At Memphis he had a lot of talent to work with and couldn't win a championship when he play Kansas for the National Championship. He panic and allow kansas to tie it up. Last year when his team play Mizzou, he again was out coached. He will not have the run at Kentucky like the fans think. His team should make it to the Final Four, but he will be out coached once again.
    You are right, the coaches should be reprimand when they are the coach of a school that violates the regulations that governs that sport and maybe they will stop the cheating. They need to be held accountable. Go get em Tar Heels!
  17. james
    270. Posted by james Wed Nov 18 7:52pm EST

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    Well said J H. Cal has never been a good all around coach. At Memphis he had a lot of talent to work with and couldn't win a championship when he play Kansas for the National Championship. He panic and allow kansas to tie it up. Last year when his team play Mizzou, he again was out coached. He will not have the run at Kentucky like the fans think. His team should make it to the Final Four, but he will be out coached once again.
    You are right, the coaches should be reprimand when they are the coach of a school that violates the regulations that governs that sport and maybe they will stop the cheating. They need to be held accountable. Go get em Tar Heels!
  18. J H
    269. Posted by J H Wed Nov 18 7:29pm EST

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    UK is a top rated organization but I feel coach Cal will pull them down and cost them thousands of dollars and jet to another college when the heat is turned up. Just ask Umass and Memphis what a mess he caused. I watched Memphis play Kansas Tuesday night and I think they now have a great coach, who turned down mega dollar endorsements because the program is about the kids, not him.
    UK, with their high profile coach and cautious recruits, who was suppose to win the NCAA C'ship this year barely beat Miami(oh) so sorry folks, Im not sold on them yet. I will reserve judgement til they beat REAL teams..........for example my Tar Heels whom they face in a few weeks. If they do, I will be the first to say congrats.
    I also feel that if a college program is penalized, the head coach at the time, should be penalized aswell. Then, maybe coaches will go by the rules as they was designed. Jumping ship and taking your questionable tatics to another school shouldnt be allowed.
  19. james
    268. Posted by james Wed Nov 18 7:25pm EST

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    Mr. #265, Really got no Common Sense. You are stupid to think that it's the university's fault for the Rose so-call violation and not the coach's who really must have known what was going on. He wanted this premier player so bad that he would and did everything to get him on his team. He did the same at UMass and will soon violate kentucky. You are a JERK! What country town are you from?
    No, I don't live in Memphis, but you got your nerves, you damn bone headed fool.
  20. Richard
    267. Posted by Richard Wed Nov 18 6:52pm EST

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    I am from Memphis and a Memphis fan..... If you do not punish UM solely on the basis that the NCAA cleared him to play, you are opening a pandora's box. If the "rule" says we have to catch them before they play game #1, or all deals are off, there will rarely if ever be a penalty leveled again. Most NCAA infractions are discovered "after the fact" We got what we deserve. Cal did this....UM was notified in May of 2008...one month after the UM vs KU title game..http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4222106 This is why Cal ran to UK. He knew what was coming..reference..UMASS 1996. Cal ran to UK for the same reason he ran to the NBA. To avoid the punishment he so richly deserved. Well for UK's sake I hope the name of the school will get him recruits because if he cheats at UK it will be back to High School Basketball in New Jersey for Cal.
  21. rach
    266. Posted by rach Wed Nov 18 6:37pm EST

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    to post #265 you have alot of balls talking about memphis fans. but we have the #1 recruiting class in the nation for next year already. also no the ncaa did not handle this situation properly it should have been coach cal that got into trouble not the university this is his second violation. he will do it to kentucky to. when he gets ready to leave or if it starts getting hot over there he will do it to them you will see kentucky fans.
  22. kirby r
    265. Posted by kirby r Tue Oct 13 7:49pm EDT

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    The NCAA is no angel but in this case it was a correct decision. Would Memphis have won nearly as many games without Rose? No. Was Rose ineligible to play? Yes. Is a school allowed to play ineligible players and keep the wins? No. Why should it be? If you play players that are ineligible, you are responsible for that decision. If you don't ensure that your players are following the rules, you are and should be responsible--the school primarily, and then the coach, and finally, the player himself. Whether the latter two should or could be punished doesn't alleviate the school's responsibility for what it overlooked. In this case, Rose could only be touched in a lawsuit.

    I would propose, as well, a three strikes and your out rule, for a coach. If a coach leaves a school with infractions that cost games or scholarships--whatever, after having serious infractions found under his or her watch, they should face a warning, an ultimatum and then a suspension from coaching on the third strike. The third time around cannot be accidental. Don't you think a coach wouldn't make damn sure his players were legal, if he thought he couldn't just run away to the next sleazy school willing to hire him (for the very same tactics he got in trouble with at the previous place)? It's not certain, Coach C will do the same thing (if he already hasn't) at Kentucky but if he does, don't you think the fourth time around should earn him a ban from coaching, even if it's only because he turned a blind eye to what anyone with half a brain would suspect? You got a guy who can't come near the required score and suddenly the score increases from 50 to 100% better than his previous best. If he hasn't been getting some serious tutoring and hitting the books, wouldn't a modicum of common sense tell you that some scrutiny is in order? Why should a school be allowed to keep wins with players who didn't meet the standards everyone else had to meet? Is it really that hard to understand this basic principle of fairness in sports, even if your team is the one that screwed up?
  23. <i>lmbreaker</i>
    264. Posted by lmbreaker Tue Oct 13 10:10am EDT

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    The only organization more disfunctional than the NCAA is Congress. This whole situation is a mess. It also looks like the handling of PHD in baseball. It serves no purpose to retroactively apply a ruling that wasn't evident. To the tarheel fan, it is easy to focus on players that have no acedemic concerns when you have you choice of the top 50 players. Other than Duke and maybe some other programs, schools that want to compete can't necessarily be as selective. I'm not saying break the rules or accepts a non qualified kid, but you can't make the high an mighty speech when your situation is not the same as for most other programs.
  24. Jeffrey
    263. Posted by Jeffrey Mon Oct 12 3:40pm EDT

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    If it was USC Trojan football and a Heisman Trophy winner, Reggie Bush, there would be no problem!!!!!! NCAA is all about the money as in BCS and The Rose Bowl.
  25. Lind
    262. Posted by Lind Mon Oct 12 2:50pm EDT

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    Caliweeezeeee/Calisleazy
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