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Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:14 am EST

To Indiana, from Bob Knight with love

Indiana held its Hall of Fame ceremony over the weekend, which means that we can stop talking about this forever in, like, a minute or two. I promise. In the meantime, Bob Knight's friend Bob Hammel -- former editor of the Bloomington Herald-Times -- accepted Knight's award on behalf of the man himself. The emotional depth of Hammel's speech was nothing in comparison to if Knight had actually accepted the award himself, but for a proxy, Hammel did a pretty convincing job:

"What those numbers don’t say is what made Indiana so special, ’cause everyone knew that what Bob Knight was doing at Indiana was kicking the slats out of that perennial excuse that you have to cut a few corners, that you have to cheat a little bit. Everybody would have loved to catch Bob Knight cheating on something and they never could. The never did and they never would. That alone, coming at a time when they graduated kids and were bringing in great kids and putting together the model program in college basketball, is why this night had to happen. Tonight is recognition that those really were priceless days. The time of distancing a great university from a coach and players who contributed richly to that greatness is over."

Weirdly, no one mentioned the way Knight left the school, and no one mentioned the things Knight did throughout his tenure that ended up contributing to his firing. Weird, huh? Coach K might still be a little confused about this, but whatever. It sounds like a very pleasant ceremony, and hey, maybe it was a positive Knight didn't show up. Things could have gotten even weirder. 

Then again, Knight's contribution to the outing -- besides the very large shadow his absence cast over the proceedings -- was the letter he wrote to Indiana AD Fred Glass, which Hammel read at the ceremony. It managed to be both conciliatory and slightly catty, and it thanked a whole bunch of folks you might otherwise never have heard of, so it's probably worth a read. Which you can do after the jump.

Dear Mr. Glass,

The attention and speculation relative to my attending your Hall of Fame induction would be greatly increased if I were to do so. I think this approach from the media would take a great deal away from the other people being inducted, and I don’t think it would be right for this to happen.

In addition to this, I just have too much negative feeling toward some people and the things they did or did not do during my last few years and who had no understanding of either athletics or honesty.

I have now and always will have a tremendous appreciation for the support our teams were given by the student body and fans all over the state of Indiana. When I left Indiana I did my best to let them know how much I appreciated their contribution to the success of our team. I still feel that way about them. However, there is no one I could appreciate more than the players who played during my tenure and were most responsible for the success that we had during those years.

I would like to especially congratulate Steve Downing and Joe Norman. I had an opportunity to coach one and watch the other play. They both are tremendous examples of what a student athlete is and should be.

I will always be indebted to John Ryan and Bill Orwig for giving me the opportunity to coach at Indiana. No coach has ever worked for a better president than John Ryan or better athletic directors than Bill Orwig and Ralph Floyd, who both had a great understanding of athletics and what it took to win.

There were other people during those years who were very helpful to our program and athletics in general, such as Dick Stoner, Ed Cady, Bill Armstrong, Paul Dietzel, George Pinnell, Curt Simic, Buzz Kurpius and her staff, Anita Aldrich, Ken Gros Louis and Ed Williams, who were very much involved and helpful to our basketball program.

Another great asset was the medical care provided our players by Brad Bomba, Jim Strickland, Larry Rink and Dick Shelly. The popularity of our basketball program was greatly enhanced with the media work of Bob Hammel, Chuck Marlowe and Bob Collins.

You are the only person in the administrative capacity at Indiana in the last ten years to say thank you for what we did, and I appreciate your doing so. You mentioned in your letter to me that you would like to sit down and talk with me any place or at any time. I would be willing to do this and would suggest that you bring Bob Hammel with you as he would be a great help in your understanding why I feel as I do.

It is obvious that the people who replaced the aforementioned people over the years have not nearly maintained the standards with Indiana’s athletic program that those people established. I would hope that during your tenure you would be able to get Indiana athletics back where it once was and want to wish you the very best in that regard.

Sincerely,

Bob Knight

OK then. Hooray, Bob Knight! You win. Now let's never speak of this again.

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  1. Stephen P
    1. Posted by Stephen P Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:33 pm EST

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    I have at various times over the years been supportive of Bob Knight and his approach to coaching college basketball. More often than not, however, I have questioned the intelligence of those who knew what he was, and yet still managed to express genuine dismay and or disappointment when confronted with THE Robert Montgomery Knight.
    Players, parents, administrators, staff, fans, THE MEDIA and whoever else claimed to have been shocked at his behavior over the years should have their collective heads examined. He was/is what he was/is.
    I do question his absence from this particular ceremony, since he basically was saying to all those people who supported him over the years (in the IU community and elsewhere) that the handful of ne'er do wells and knuckleheads he dealt with in his last years there had a greater impact on him than they did.
    Allowing those naysayers to control his actions, instead of showing up, accepting the honor and acknowledging those who would have essentially gone to war for him is a signal that he still hasn't grown up. It shows a marked lack of maturity not usually present in a man of his age...and definitely not common among those with a military background.
    Valuing loyalty is a good thing, but harboring ill feelings about it for almost ten years is not indicative of an adult who must be a role model from young men.
    I would have truly enjoyed it had he chosen to return, accept the award, and acknowledged the great accomplishments he had a big part in at Indiana for many years. And it would have been classic for him to have held one of his pressers in which he utilized his unique brand of humor and biting commentary to have the final say on some of those issues.
    Instead, he decided to reject those people who defended him nd his program, in favor of those who were thorns in his side for a short while. Too bad...it might have been fun.
  2. Anthony D
    2. Posted by Anthony D Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:22 pm EST

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    I know who Bobby Knight was, is and will now always be in Indiana lore and in Springfield, Mass. Now exactly, who are you?
  3. Grammy
    3. Posted by Grammy Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:50 pm EST

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    What is weird is you thinking it weird that no one mentioned at a "Hall of Fame" induction the reason the coach left the school. It would have been inappropriate to say the least. Why don't you spread your ill-will elsewhere?
  4. Debra
    4. Posted by Debra Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:44 pm EST

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    I grew up in Bloomington and went to all the games in the 70's before moving away. Always appreciated Coach with his on-court success and his unyielding style and commitment to excellence in graduating players, and other less noticeable things (donating his own personal money to the IU Library, for one). What finally grew old to me and other fans was his "schtick". Coach took great glee in doing anything a person in authority would tell him not to do. Being the best coach on the planet was not enough, he had to be a "character" also. My personal opinion is that he thought doing the important things well gave him a pass to be a jerk whenever he wanted to be one, which unfortunately was too often. He could be genuinely funny and engaging, but he never knew the line between being a character and being a jerk. Still great memories and great years, but he was his own undoing. The IU administration was not to blame on this.
  5. Barry H
    5. Posted by Barry H Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:25 pm EST

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    Why not make him the AD?
  6. Jamie
    6. Posted by Jamie Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:38 pm EST

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    im a diehard iu fan and i have given up on the general
  7. JoelW
    7. Posted by JoelW Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:46 pm EST

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    I concur with the prior posting of Deb H. Coach Knight had an amazing influence on my Indiana University. He brought honor and credibility to the basketball program and the insitution. He stood strongly as a n advocate for the university libraries. He was one of the most visible entities when I spoke at large about where I spent my undergraduate years.
    Yet, his ego got the best of him. Beyond saying he was Robert Montgomery Knight, he believed he was Robert Montgomery Knight. Bigger than life, and beyond reproach.
    Coach Crean made a peace dove effort to get him to attend the hall of fame ceremonies. Coach Knight declined. Too bad. He could have healed some wounds, brought the situation to a close, and still not impacted the induction of the other individuals. His avarice continues on. We forgive you Coach Knight. Now you forgive yourself.
    Joel W. BS in Educ 1987
  8. travis.somers
    8. Posted by travis.somers Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:29 pm EST

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    There is the right way to do things, the wrong way to do things and then there is Knights way. As far as I am concerned Knights way is the way to go. Not only a great coach but what a giving person. Indiana would not be the same today if coach had not been there. I went to basketball camp there entering my sophomore year of high school and still to this day was the greatest week of my life. If more people took Knights approach to there kids maybe this world would not be as screwed up as it is. Tough love does work and it makes a man out of you unlike what most men in this country are today.
  9. vottomatic
    9. Posted by vottomatic Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:29 pm EST

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    I became a Bob Knight fan after he left IU. I think he did some strange things while coaching there. But he did alot of good. The more I watch the Calipari's and Pitino's cheating and drama queen acts.......the more I appreciate a man who didn't cheat, got results, and I believe cared about his kids as future contributors to society, and as student athletes. College B'ball is getting out of hand. Sports in general are somewhat out of hand and have lost their meaning in alot of ways. Bobby K was one of the few who had the right perspective on it all. I didn't see that in my younger days, but long for it now. Steroids, the outspend everyone else Yankees to buy a title, the Calipari's who cheat left and right, the Pitino's who cheat on their wives, the Huggins who get drunk and cheat on their wives, the Jim Calhoun's who run their program like they're a mob boss (and look like one too).........it goes on and on and on. Just doesn't seem like a game anymore.
  10. toomalolo
    10. Posted by toomalolo Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:23 am EST

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    Where there is money, there is corruption.
    Where there is a lot of money, there is a lot of corruption.
    Where there is sports, there is wayy too much money.
  11. Jerry K
    11. Posted by Jerry K Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:22 am EST

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    Being a Purdue grad, I loved the Keady-Knight mathcups. What intense games those were. I highly respect and admittedly am a bit jealous of what Knight accomplished at IU. But some of his behavior was disturbing, and was embarassing to Indiana University.
    Knight represented IU basketball very well with a top-notch, squeeky clean (as far we know) program that, on top of that, had an excellent graduation rate. THAT is a huge accomplishment. But there's more to being a role model and all-around great basketball coach than that, and that's what Mr. Knight will never understand. He was extremetly good at the basketball part, but I'd give him a D on the rest.
  12. BK
    12. Posted by BK Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:26 am EST

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    As a former MSU ( Spartans ) grad from the 70's and one who watched a lot of BB with Coach K at the helm, Debra H said it all - " he never knew the line between being a character and a jerk ". Too bad his achievements in coaching were always over shadowed by his actions like throwing the chair across the court. I was always amazed at the number of people that excused his inappropriate behavior and overlooked his shortcomings as an adult.
  13. Risk Prof
    13. Posted by Risk Prof Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:30 am EST

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    Sports writers are so brave when they don't have to face Knight in person. That's why they are so brazen when protected by distance or anonymity.
  14. nickatdabeach
    14. Posted by nickatdabeach Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:46 pm EST

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    brennan, you couldn't hold Knight's sweaty jock strap if he tossed it to you, but you'd love to sniff it if he did -- you're pathetic, shows your lack of class & values
  15. Ethan
    15. Posted by Ethan Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:11 pm EST

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    Love that guy!
  16. Lezzee B
    16. Posted by Lezzee B Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:36 pm EST

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    Another Brennan trashing of RMK. Besides playing with your dog's tail, do you have any talent of any kind? How about interviewing all those kids that transferred away from your new snake oil salesman at your beloved Loosier U? Why don't you and Bobbie Brenner and Robin Miller and Ford and Bozich and all the other Knight haters get together for one, last big circle pull and get it out of your systems once and for all. Bob Knight is in the Hall of Fame, Basketball and IU's, and none of you whiny little loser scribblers will be.
  17. jim m
    17. Posted by jim m Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:37 am EST

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    Knight is right on target... and i agree he showed the nation how to run a clean program and win...
    We miss this kind of coach these days... media folks love to attack Knight... but real deal basketball
    folks know these attacks are only for media to sell whatever ...be it newspapers...or etc...
    Knight was treated badly by his president after all he did at U.I. I doubt their program will
    ever be as good.... so I support Knight... he is not perfect but he is a stand up guy... fans and
    coaches know it for sure... media just doesn't get it... ciao
  18. GL
    18. Posted by GL Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:32 am EST

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    Bob Knight has what made America great - courage, ethics, morals, etc. He showed how to win honestly. He helped train Coach K. He graduated those winning players.
    People who do not like Coach Knight didn't know him. I do know him, as I worked for him at IU.
    Rail all you want out of ignorance. Study his concerns and his responses to them. If you still dislike him, I feel sorry for you.
    America's lack of Bobby Knights has runied America. Not a one of you whiners would look cross eyed at Coach Knight.
  19. Aaron
    19. Posted by Aaron Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:28 am EST

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    Bob Knight will forever be IU basketball. I am a die hard Hoosier fan, and it's been tough watching these last few years. Yeah Bob wasn't perfect and he could have done some things different, but ultimately he did what he was hired to do graduate players and win games. So all you Bob Knight Haters, get over it. The General has spoken.
  20. three_bricks_shy45
    20. Posted by three_bricks_shy45 Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:10 am EST

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    Knight kind of created his own monster. He did not like the media for the most part, and he made that very clear at pretty much every press conference. Soooooo, the media made Knight front page news anytime anything negative was said or done. When Knight did good things, it was either not reported on buried on the back page in a small side bar column. I don't agree with alot of things Knight did or said, but I also think everything was blown out of proportion by a media that didn't like him.
  21. William T
    21. Posted by William T Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:14 am EST

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    Like old solders the General has decided to just fade away.
  22. Nathan
    22. Posted by Nathan Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:15 am EST

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    Articles like this are why Bob Knight had to put sportswriters in their place so many times . . . they NEVER played or coached the game, therefore they have NO credibility . . .
  23. boots43
    23. Posted by boots43 Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:57 am EST

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    Bob Knight was an embarassment to Indiana University. Some people here have posted that sportswriters have no credibility because they haven't played the game. Then, they make statements that Knight is a credit to Indiana University. Well, by their own reasoning, they have no credibility because they have no connection to Indiana University. I do. I have graduated with a bachelors degree and two masters degrees from Indiana University and also taught there for seven years. I care about my school and former employer. Knight disgraced the school by drawing unwonted attention through his consistent inability to act like an adult. I am glad Knight is gone now and wish only that he had never been there at all.
  24. nascar0908
    24. Posted by nascar0908 Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:29 am EST

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    number 19 your right...we need lots more of the bobby knights in this world...tough love..he built men out of boys..real men...not only did he teach the game of basketball very well,but he instilled the work ethics that makes a person...what we have today in leading our kids,are just a lot of people who desire a paycheck and could care less about how they get it..break the rules,find ways not to get caught,just so they can win at no matter the cost...and the ones that get hurt are the athletes they have the responsibility for...yes its their job to win games,but also to mold young men into winners both on and off the court..bob knight did that...yes he was rough and did it his way,but when dealing with teens,you need to have someone who can be tough,know when to put the hammer down,and yet know when to encourage...spare the rod and spoil the child..
    good luck without the bob knights..just take a look around...sports hurt without his type...his students of life got degrees at school,stayed out of trouble and represented themselves like young men should...and he never hurt anyone molding them into men

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