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Unlike the ESPN/USA Today coaches poll, the Associated Press college basketball rankings make the ballot of each voter public, in an effort to make the poll as transparent as possible. It makes sense that the AP makes writers do this but USA Today doesn't make coaches, because, why would coaches have anything to hide?

The good people at pollspeak.com compile the AP ballots into an easy-to-use database they call Pollstalker. It allows readers to sift and sort every ballot by week, voter and team to look at trends and similarities. But, better than that, it allows us to mock the voters who rank BYU No. 14. So, buckle up and hop on the Gladwell Train: Today, The Dagger is outing the outliers.

-- Mark Berman (The Roanoke Times) has Maryland ranked No. 10. The Terps may be the tenth-best team ... in the ACC. But in the nation? They were listed on just two other ballots, at No. 20 and No. 23, respectively. 

-- At least the Terps were listed on other ballots. BYU appears on only Kevin McNamara's and they're at No. 14. 

-- Two voters put North Carolina at No. 1. I'm on record saying the Tar Heels are still the best team in the country, even after the home loss to Boston College. But polls aren't supposed to predict the future, they're supposed to analyze the past. And right now, it's abundantly clear that Pittsburgh has a better body of work than Carolina.

-- Voters don't know what to do with Clemson. As they usually do, Oliver Purnell's Tigers started the year undefeated. In the past four seasons, however, Clemson has collapsed when the ACC season starts. Maybe because they're again concerned about being bitten by an overrated Clemson team, AP pollsters have the squad ranked as high as No. 2 and as low as No. 20. One voter, though, doesn't have Clemson ranked at all. (A reminder: Clemson is undefeated.)

You might think it's because the team hasn't played a tough schedule, but that didn't stop Jon Wilner from ranking Texas A&M at No. 18 even though they lost to Tulsa and haven't played a team with an RPI better than No. 56. Clemson, on the other hand, has three road wins against such teams. And Purdue (No. 11 on Wilner's ballot) has just two wins against the RPI Top 200. Clearly, playing an easy schedule doesn't doom a team on Wilner's ballot ... unless they play in the ACC.

-- Another undefeated ACC squad, Wake Forest, is ranked No. 2 on 15 of the AP's 71 ballots. Sixty voters have the Demon Deacons in their top six. Everyone ranked Wake in the top ten; everyone except Jon Wilner. He put the Deacs at No. 19.

-- So Wilner has an ACC bias, right? That'd be understandable, except that the San Jose Mercury News writer has Florida State at No. 17! Normally I'd say everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when said opinion is that Florida State (13-2) should be ranked higher than Wake Forest (13-0), I might have to rethink that.

-- If you have a few minutes, do yourself a favor and play around with the data. You'll be amazed at how normal Dickie V's ballot looks. 

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  1. djsperr
    1. Posted by djsperr Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:45 pm EDT

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    Dickie V has Illinois and Illinois State on the ballot. He's my hero!!
  2. The World Famous Butt Pirate
    2. Posted by The World Famous Butt Pirate Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:03 pm EDT

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    The purpose of the ranking IS to predict the future. There is already a tool out there for listing teams according to their resume - it's called the RPI. The difference between the polls and the RPI is that the polls are meant to allow observers of the sport to balance the results from the team's past games with their subjective opinion of that team's quality. This is why the No. 1 - ranked team is called the 'best' team, not the one simply with the best results. When a team loses and subsequently drops a few spots, it is a reflection of an adjustment in their opinion of that team's quality.
  3. Tom
    3. Posted by Tom Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:15 pm EDT

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    The most surprising part, of course, is that Dickie V has neither UNC or Duke #1.
  4. Tom
    4. Posted by Tom Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:15 pm EDT

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    By the way, as I write this BC is losing to Harvard by 11. At home. Just sayin'.
  5. Just Me
    5. Posted by Just Me Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:41 pm EDT

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    I'm sorry but Wake Forest may be undefeated but who have they played in the top 25? No one. UNC played two ranked teams and lost to an unranked Boston College after going through a cupcake schedule. Does anyone forget that Duke lost to Michigan? These polls are a joke. Everyone is so ACC is great. The real conference the BIG EAST should have PITTS, UCONN, SYRACUSE, and GEORGETOWN before the ACC teams. At least they have played ranked teams if not each other.
  6. Just Me
    6. Posted by Just Me Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:41 pm EDT

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    I'm sorry but Wake Forest may be undefeated but who have they played in the top 25? No one. UNC played two ranked teams and lost to an unranked Boston College after going through a cupcake schedule. Does anyone forget that Duke lost to Michigan? These polls are a joke. Everyone is so ACC is great. The real conference the BIG EAST should have PITTS, UCONN, SYRACUSE, and GEORGETOWN before the ACC teams. At least they have played ranked teams if not each other.
  7. Bob
    7. Posted by Bob Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:49 pm EDT

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    How about Arkansas who just recently beat 2 top 10 teams in Oklahoma and Texas.
  8. Chris P
    8. Posted by Chris P Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:20 pm EDT

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    Pittsburgh better than Carolina? Carolina destroyed Rutgers. Pitt squeaked by Rutgers three days later. Carolina also beat Notre Dame and Michigan St; Pitts only quality win is Georgetown. Don't let one bad game by Carolina fool you. If anything that loss made UNC better by refocusing them and taking the whole undefeated BS pressure off them.
  9. Caleb D
    9. Posted by Caleb D Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:16 pm EDT

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    Why is Wake Forest at 13-0 ranked fourth when North Carolina at three at 14-1 and Duke at two at 13-1
  10. John G
    10. Posted by John G Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:07 pm EDT

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    Vitale's ballot actually looks pretty good. Xavier and Arizona State seem high, but when you look at Xavier's schedule, they have a good number of quality wins agains good teams. ASU still seems out of line, but he doesn't seem to have blatant Regional preferences like many of those voters.
  11. ChrisH
    11. Posted by ChrisH Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:23 pm EDT

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    Who cares where anyone is ranked now? The only poll that really matters is who is #1 after the championship game. Even on selection Sunday, the rankings are only 1 piece of the puzzle. It's not like the top 4 teams are always the top seeds for their region either, so why care so much about what uneducated sports writers think??
  12. Kevin
    12. Posted by Kevin Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:28 pm EDT

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    Syracuse should Top 10 easily!
  13. kitmot
    13. Posted by kitmot Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:17 pm EDT

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    Who's the number one conference in the Nation? how about the big twelve?
  14. B C
    14. Posted by B C Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:14 pm EDT

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    Michael, I hope that was a joke. Big East is by far the best, followed by I really think a tie between the ACC and Big 10. Both conferences are strong top to bottom, minus maybe one or two teams in each conference.
  15. remfan_19
    15. Posted by remfan_19 Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:36 pm EDT

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    Um, what's wrong with the Aggies at #18. They've beaten Arizona, LSU, and Alabama and they're 14-1. It's not like this voter has them in the top 10 or anything. Chris Chase needs to check his facts the next time before he writes his nonsense. RPI means NOTHING this early in the season.
  16. dula_l
    16. Posted by dula_l Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:49 pm EDT

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    ap poll is a joke!twice this year duke has dropped in the polls when they didnt lose! thats has to be a joke. also it was commented pitt played ranked teams? georgetown and who? big east is a joke so take it and choke.

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