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NCAA Riches to NBA Rags is The Dagger's countdown of the best college basketball players who went on to have disappointing NBA careers. For an explanation of the criteria used in compiling this list, check out our introductory entry. Today we look at No. 8, North Carolina's J.R. Reid.  

The most amazing part about J.R. Reid's career at North Carolina is also the reason he isn't regarded as highly as he deserves. In his three seasons in Chapel Hill, Reid never made a Final Four. That makes him a rarity among Tar Heel greats like Ford, Jordan, Perkins, Worthy, Montross, Wallace, Carter, Stackhouse, McCants, May, Hansbrough, Lawson and Ellington, guys who played in one, if not more, Final Fours. Don't let that fool you though. J.R. Reid was one bad dude in college.

He was 6-foot-9, 240 pounds before 6-foot-9, 240 pounds was the norm. He was a freshman star when that was the exception, not the rule. And, oh, that hi-top fade.

When Reid was put on the cover of Sports Illustrated during his freshman year, Curry Kilpatrick wrote of him:

Reid's post-up, one-hand elevator jumper, either facing the basket or turning around, is already one of the more dangerous weapons in the sport, especially as an option to his line-drive, baby jump hook, which he releases as opponents' bodies bounce off him. Then there's his precise drop-step move, and his change-of-direction dribble -- he has gone coast-to-coast as middle man in the Tar Heels' break on several occasions. His hands are massive prime cuts, something out of a meat locker. The touch. That body. In the lane J.R. is virtually unstoppable.

Reid led Carolina to an 88-15 record in his three seasons at the school, each of which finished with the Heels ranked in the AP's top 10. He was a three-time All-ACC performer and a first-team All-American, which led to his being selected with the 5th pick in the 1989 NBA draft. But, Reid could never duplicate his college success in the pros. He was the definition of an NBA journeyman, playing for seven teams, including twice for the Charlotte Hornets, the team that drafted him.

It's sort of sad that Reid is probably best remembered now as the butt of a frequent joke from the Cameron Crazies. Those so-called clever fans used to hold up signs that said "J.R. Can't Reid", a practice that eventually incensed Dean Smith so much that he publicly called out the Duke students and pointed out that Reid had higher SAT scores than Danny Ferry and Christian Laettner. Unfortunately, all three had similarly disappointing NBA careers.

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  1. Coach Isiah Thompson
    1. Posted by Coach Isiah Thompson Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:28 pm EDT

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    Practice? Are we talking about practice? Now how silly is that? Practice? Not the game.....not the game that I leave everything out on the floor, but practice? We talking about practice? Do you agree? Rodney and Les agree. Discuss!
  2. Virginia Lawyer
    2. Posted by Virginia Lawyer Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:05 pm EDT

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    Actually, to clarify, Dean Smith said that Reid and fellow Tar Heel Scott Williams had a higher combined SAT score than Ferry and Laettner, which of course proves nothing about Reid's individual score. (For instance, if Ferry and Laettner both had 799, Williams could have 1200 and Reid 400 and Smith would be correct, but it wouldn't exactly be high praise for Reid.) Plus, revealing this information probably violated Ferry and Laettner's rights under the Privacy Act. So, Dean Smith: ethical and good with math.
  3. crazybabydoc
    3. Posted by crazybabydoc Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:21 am EDT

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    Actually, he probably did NOT violate the rights of the mentioned players. It would be in the public domain that all four players received SAT scores above the NCAA minimum (and above the ACC min). Your example shows your lack of knowledge since you cannot be admitted to UNC (over even dook) with a SAT of 400. Smith did nothing more than say the combined number of two players exceeded the combined number of two others. And of course, the only reason he said anything was the low class antics of dook students. So yes Dean Smith ethical and good with math . . . the latter of which was his undergraduate degree at Kansas.
  4. Virginia Lawyer
    4. Posted by Virginia Lawyer Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:39 am EDT

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    My numbers were purely hypothetical to highlight the fact that a combined score tells us nothing about each player's score. If you prefer, I could use the following numbers: Williams 1002, Ferry and Laettner 1000 each, Reid 999. In that example, Williams and Reid have a higher combined score. And yes, I know that there are NCAA and ACC minimums -- I was simply using numbers that would easily show the point I was trying to make. And besides, don't tell Chris Washburn you can't get into an ACC school with a 400 SAT!
  5. ATDavis
    5. Posted by ATDavis Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:03 pm EDT

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    Of all the info Chase could have put in this short article about Reid only he would devote another paragraph to a lame attempt at Duke bashing...this guy has a real hang-up on the devils...I am sure he makes great money writing these stimulating articles and may want to get some therapy.
  6. Aaron
    6. Posted by Aaron Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:10 pm EDT

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    I live in Carolina when he played and I can tell you that he was one bad man. I hope Clark Kellog is on this list. Great college player, sucked in the pros. Heres a few more:
    Derrick Coleman HUGE BUST - not because he lacked talent, he was lazy.
    Greg Oden - It's early but it doesn't look good for him.
    Stacy Augmon
    Shawn Bradley
    Everbody who has ever starred at Wisconsin.
  7. Russell S
    7. Posted by Russell S Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:40 pm EDT

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    Airon, you've got a point with most of the players on your list, but I'll respectfully disagree with your inclusion of Stacey Augmon. No, he wasn't a star in the league by any means, (I think Bill Walton's predictions of his greatness were overstated) but had several successful years boasting a decent scoring average and was renowned for his defense. Sure, he slowed down in his later years, but for most of his seasons he was a contributing member of the rotation.
    And speaking of Wisconsin players...I think Michael Finley's averaged 16 points a game over his career, after being the 21st pick in the '95 draft. That's not too shabby, if you ask me.
  8. Marklar
    8. Posted by Marklar Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:01 pm EDT

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    jr reid won a championship in 99 with the la lakers. I think that fact should boot him off the list.
  9. Joey L
    9. Posted by Joey L Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:02 pm EDT

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    jr reid was not that bad. i got 10-20 people that deserve his spot. heres one................tom gugliotta
  10. RJM
    10. Posted by RJM Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:07 pm EDT

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    The only thing I remembered JR Reid for was busting AC Green's jaw in the early 2000's
  11. Mitch I
    11. Posted by Mitch I Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:09 pm EDT

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    Airon -
    Clark Kellogg was "a great college player, sucked in the pros"?
    if you look at what he did in his 1st 4 years in the NBA, you would see his PPG (20-19-19-18) and TRB (11-9-9-9) are very solid. He only played 4 games in 5th year and never played again.
    And those numbers are better than what he averaged at Ohio State.
    Is it that hard to look this stuff up before you post it?
  12. AZZKICKERS
    12. Posted by AZZKICKERS Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:16 pm EDT

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    Somebody tell me where is sam bowie on this list?
  13. Tydigga
    13. Posted by Tydigga Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:28 pm EDT

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    Dude, JR Reid was a better post player then ANYTHING that walked through Duke's door.
    No Sam Bowie? Mateen Cleeves?
  14. dq
    14. Posted by dq Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:34 pm EDT

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    I can see some of the picks you have here on this list but I can't agree with J.R. just because he was the definition of "league journeyman". Whenever given the chance, he was very contributive!!!
  15. cbbestoll@...
    15. Posted by cbbestoll@... Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:44 pm EDT

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    yeah, no one has ever doctored (changed) sat scores...
  16. Malik A
    16. Posted by Malik A Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:09 pm EDT

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    Man they forgot a whole lot of people on this list with some new additions like Sean May this guy was dominant when North Carolina won that National Title and now that guy can barely come off the bench.....BUST......Kwame Brown, need I say more...Drew Gooden and I say him because Drew Gooden was so raw at Kansas...everytime he scored it was a hard dunk or strong high percentage shot.....I just knew this guy was going to go to the NBA and dominant...."Boy I was wrong" he got to the league and became weak as hell.....crushed me deeply cause I was a big fan.......Dang I can't think of anymore right now, but it's about 20 or 30 guys that need to be on this list....besides the one they have on here now..
  17. GoGoUF
    17. Posted by GoGoUF Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:26 pm EDT

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    How is Ralph Sampson - UVa 3 times POY in college - not on this list? Michael Olowokandi? Bobby Hurley? Shelden Williams (Duke, Atlanta?) Jason Williams (Duke),
  18. none
    18. Posted by none Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:55 pm EDT

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    this is in response to the following:
    My numbers were purely hypothetical to highlight the fact that a combined score tells us nothing about each player's score. If you prefer, I could use the following numbers: Williams 1002, Ferry and Laettner 1000 each, Reid 999. In that example, Williams and Reid have a higher combined score. And yes, I know that there are NCAA and ACC minimums -- I was simply using numbers that would easily show the point I was trying to make. And besides, don't tell Chris Washburn you can't get into an ACC school with a 400 SAT!
    JUST AN FYI! CHRIS WASHBURN WENT TO NC STATE AND NOT UNC! YOU APPRENTLY DID NOT READ THE OTHER PERSON'S COMMENT OR YOU WOULD HAVE READ THAT THE BLOGGER COMMENTED THAT A PERSON WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET INTO UNC OR DUKE WITH A 400 ON THE SAT!
  19. todd
    19. Posted by todd Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:55 pm EDT

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    JR Reid benefited from the UNC magic of getting a foul if you breathed in him in the paint. Like all the UNC centers. You could have filled this list with just UNC centers if you wanted too. That is why when they get in the NBA and get pushed like any other player and the play continues they have a hard time. JR would hesitate waiting for the uh...foul...like in college. Oh yea… Curry Kilpatrick wrote something great about a UNC player. DUH! this UNC grad has made a living out of building up UNC and disparaging any and everything Duke, NC State and Wake Forest does. He is a poor excuse for a reported. When NC State beat Houston for the Championship his article was a report on how Houston loss the game. Not how a group of young men played a s a team and won. He is the worst
  20. RANDAL M
    20. Posted by RANDAL M Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:28 pm EDT

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    Frank williams (illinois), every 7 footer to ever come out of stanford, although B.Lopez is looking good. Alan Henderson (Indiana), Rony Siekaly (Syracuse), Johnny Dawkins (duke) really almost every player from Duke not named Grant Hill or Elton Brand. Chris Jackson or Mahmoud Abdul Rauf (LSU), Mark Macon (Temple), but the biggest bust of all-time Harold "Baby Jordan" Miner (USC) where is he on this list?
  21. crayzeefrenchman
    21. Posted by crayzeefrenchman Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:09 pm EDT

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    Several more former Bullets/Wizards - Tom Gugliotta, John "Hot Plate" Williams, Mel Turpin, Kwame Brown
  22. yp_angelo_madison
    22. Posted by yp_angelo_madison Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:19 pm EDT

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    Ever hear of Devin Harris, Airon, he is definitely no bust.
  23. Last to Know
    23. Posted by Last to Know Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:30 pm EDT

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    Insert your North Carolina joke here.
  24. bob r
    24. Posted by bob r Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:33 pm EDT

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    mateen cleaves, Shawn Respert. MSU bust. Suton will be nice though
  25. Gerard
    25. Posted by Gerard Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:49 pm EDT

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    I'd rather have an intelligent athlete ANYDAY over these prima-donna wana-be gangstas you all deem great even
    though they can't spell their own names. Place higher academic requirements and make it mandatory that
    the NBA can't draft athletes who have not COMPLETED at least two quality years of college and see what happens.
    The little thugs and their thug parents bank on the big dollars of the NBA while they cruise through high school
    with the reading level and comprehension of a 6th grader.
    The fact is that until they are held accountable, at some point, they will be a plight!

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