Im not a Kentucky fan but Cal is innocent. No way he knew.

Why would he have any idea about it. Rose took the test 400 miles away and before he even signed with Memphis.

cheney was right cal is a slimeball

The way I see it is this way. How many others have done the same thing and got by with it. The young man PLAYS a game and entertains us all for a couple hours or so. So what really matters if he did have someone else do it. Shows me that there is more ways then one to skin a cat. At least he isn't doing brain surgery on some one or diagnosing some one with cancer with a degree that they could have gotten with someone taking the SAT for them. He made it big now memphis wants to help tarnish this kid. And save their ass along with Cal. Let it be the young man isn't out there shooting and killing people he is in the entertainment business.

Let's call it what it is.... bs. Calipari is the coach and should be held responisible for how his people recruit, if boosters are giving "gifts" and the education of the "student-athlete". It bothers me as a college basketball fan that UK would go after a coach who has a history of trouble..... right or wrong, true or false, Calipari is a risk.
The competitive nature of college sports is insane, in our state we have UK and UofL fighting for supremecy.
Don't forget the schools that made the NCAA that are from Kentucky..... Morehead State and Western KY.
Is the need for winning pushing UK in risking hiring a coach with an iffy reputation? Is the success of the UofL athletic program pushing UK to go for it?

Following your rationale, EricR, Calipari should be present every time one of his recruits takes a standardized entrance exams...

"Is the success of the UofL athletic program pushing UK to go for it? "
What success, exactly? One Final Four?

If you heard Rose talk, you knew, unless you thought be was some kind of Rainman freak at both basketball and standardized tests.

I think some get it,....but most dont. I can understand how people outside of Lexington Kentucky view coach Cal,...for him...it truly does come with the territory. Call him whatever you'd like ,....but i say call him innocent and Memphis too as well. Lets look at the facts... and not our personal opinions. Also use common sense as well! For those who have kids or even siblings,... Ask yourself FIRST "Which test did my child or sibling take??" SAT OR ACT....serioulsy do it. Next,..Ask yourself "What was their score??" Familes should know these things,...Right?? We've all hadsome sort of sibling rivalry or bragging amongst peers right?? Do you even remember your score from either test (IF YOU EVEN TOOK IT)?? Seriously ask yourselves!
The whole point is most people i see make these comments about Memphis/Calipari never even took the test themselves, remember a score of their own child,...or even their own! This is in NO WAY a knock on anyone who hasnt taken the test AT ALL. THE BOTTOM LINE is no one asks the conditions of the test? How big was the room? Did you get a break during the test? Blah Blah,...so on and so on. ALL ANYONE CARES (Including the NCAA, Compliance Offices everywhere, coaches, fans, boosters, sports meida, parents, etc.....) ABOUT IS IF YOU PASSED THE TEST!! Some parents dont even care about the score as long as you made it to college!? Soo why would Cal/Memphis know the "conditions" of the test Derrick Rose took (IN CHICAGO) and have a hand in making it happen?? If alligations are true,...not only was the test fraud,...but also grades were changed(IN CHICAGO) and phony transcripts were sent out as well. Soo Cal/Memphis also did this as well huh? Oh wow.... And to top it all off the guy that supposedly took the test for Rose and Flowers(the other young man accused),....is now sitting in prison for crimes he committed (involving a handgun) shortly after they all graduated. Not saying this means much about this young man,....just not the "deep throat" witness you want,... a felon whose story only benefits him. I would be upset too if i was sitting in prison while my ex teammate (that i alledgly took a test for to) go from ashy to classy overnite.....
Finally,...in no way am i trying to defend Cal/Memphis....im only stating fact as we know it. I know this week in sports has been dead and the NBA Finals will be over soon (Go Magic! lol) ,...but this is lame. You guys are as emotional as teenage girls...be real and be a man about it. Cal nor Memphis will 'go down' for any of the alligations(basketball related). If anything this is a black eye on the NCAA and The Chicago Public School system in which all the issues above occured. Its best you guys keep venting and get it all out now because this fall im sure Kentucky will be steam rolling a team near you. ........Now thats "The Dagger" ..............

I don't think he knew. I am not a fan of Coach Cal, but weren't the test scores invalidated after the fact? So even Derrick probably forgot and assumed he had gotten away with it....

csr..... when I speak of UofL's success, I'm not speaking of just basketball. In college sports, they do play more than basketball.
UofL at least reached the NCAA tournament in the men's field, UK had to go to the NIT.
The UofL women surprised all and reached the women's final
UofL baseball is once again heading to a Super Regional and two years ago was in the CWS.
Track and Field, Golf, Tennis, Women's Rowing..... UofL's athletic dept. is doing their job.
Mitch might have the fans support with hiring Calipari and I commend him for going out and getting a proven winner. I just hope that he doesn't do to them what he's done to UMass and what's about to happen to Memphis.

eric r, do you do any research on what you post. calipari has been cleared of any wrongdoing in the umass deal. he reported it as soon as he found out. and he is not at risk in this investigation because he played no part. the ncaa has said he has no violations. no violations. on the other hand your boy rick pitino has 8, eight, violations from his assistant days. you also forgot that kentucky won a bowl game in football, while u of l's was practicing with your local high school. how's that for an athletics dept doing their job.

Of course Cal didn't know. No way any coach would be so stupid as to organize cheating these days. And you can't expect college coaches to stand in the room while every player they recruit takes the ACT or SAT.
The "slimeball" in all of this is the media.

UofL is a dirty program, they have a program that went on back to back probations in the 1990s and then hired a guy that had 8 NCAA violations at Hawaii (Pitino) who is currently involved in a sleazy scandal involving a woman that isnt his wife. So here we have a program with back to back probations who hires a coach with 8 NCAA violations that is tossing barbs at UKs coach who has NONE.
Calipari will be found totally innnocent in this as the NCAA has already stated he isnt implicated in any wrongdoings, but dont let that get in the way of media writers taking advantage of a fanbase that will defend their program to the point of actually hurting themselves by responding to these closed minded idiots in the media who dont deal in facts, just agenda.

The way people talk Cal went and took the test for Rose. Which he didn't . Why dosen't KU have to take down their banner when one of the players was found to have his grades changed in HS(his HS had their state championship taken away)? Cause the NCAA said "There was no way for KU to have knowen" Just like there was no way for Memphis to know. Since Rose was cleared by the NCAA, I don't know how Memphis nor Cal should be held accountable.
Eric R "I just hope that he doesn't do to them what he's done to UMass "
What he do to Umass? Was a middle man for Camby and the agents? Nope. Maybe if he didn't recuit Camby to Umass then all be fine but then they wouldn't of had a final four anyways. Do you even know what happened at Umass? Do you know how many games they had to take off the record books? answer is the 4-1 ncaa tourny in 96. Not the A-10 tourny nor the season, nor the previous seasons. Do you know what your child/gf./wife/friends do 100% of the time? nope, so why should we think a coach knows where and what the players do 100% of the time??

So Eric R thinks that UK hired Coach Cal because U of L`s women made the finals in basketball and their baseball team is doing better and track and tennis and women`s rowing is doing good? What would that crap have to do with anything? Who cares? LMFAO!

Just my two cents, but since the NCAA cleared the kid shouldn't they be the ones having to defend themselves instead of Cal/Memphis. This is something that happened before Rose even left Chicago. The NCAA clearinghouse is who clears athletes to play college ball, not the college, not the coach...but the NCAA! What are coaches supposed to do, go stand over every recruit while they are taking the test and insure they are legit scores. That is the NCAA's job, and the NCAA are the ones at fault in this!

Eric R wrote: "Is the success of the UofL athletic program pushing UK to go for it? " UL is going down the drain. Need I remind you Calipari has ZERO NCAA violations while Pitino has 8 and is getting featured on INSIDE EDITION? Pitino is also involved in a sex scandal and extortion case in which he paid said extortionist to keep her mouth shut. Every UL fan is hoping the NCAA will bail them out and go after Calipari. It isn't happening slick. Sorry pal...you were only a desperation 3 pointer with 2.5 seconds on your home floor better than UK this year. Imagine what happens with a talented UK team on their home floor will do to you. No coach has ever matched Cal's record these past few years or his recruiting prowess over the last 8 weeks. Get ready to have your +aints handed to you.

this is ridiculous. I have taken the SAT in the last 6 years and you take it with hundreds of other students at a specified testing site. the only plausible way that his score could be fraudulent is if someone else took it. And the only way to know that would be to do a handwriting comparison between Rose's test and Rose himself. Ok...so to think that somehow he cheated by receiving answers or anything of the sort is ridiculous. these things are highly regulated. know your facts.

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I don't think he knew. I am not a fan of Coach Cal, but weren't the test scores invalidated after the fact? So even Derrick probably forgot and assumed he had gotten away with it.... "
Best post on the thread.

I haven't heard one person call Bill Self, Coach K, or even Jim Calhoun dirty coaches after Arthur, Maggette, and the whole UCONN thing happenning right now. When it is Calipari though he is a dirty coach, sleazeball, and any other name under the sky because that's exactly what people want him to be. It doesn't matter that he has never had an NCAA violation or that he was cleared of any wrong doing in the UMASS scandel and never mentioned in this one.
People want him to be dirty because that is the only way they can explain why he is such a good recruiter. It couldn't be that his system appeals to the players, he relates well with the players, or that he is just a fun coach to play for. That still couldn't explain how he gets so many top recruits at places like UMASS and Memphis, so he gets the reputation of dirty because people can't believe he got who he got where he was at. Maybe if he had always been at UK, UNC, Duke, UCLA, Kansas, or another big school he would just be another great coach, but because he did what he did at "mid-majors" dirty is the only explanation people can come up with.
One thing is sure he will have no problem recruiting top 3 classes year in and year out at UK, but will finally turn one of those classes into a national championship?

TWT AFTER reading all of your readers comments on the j. calipari / d.rose issue i felt compelled to post a comment myself. i currently live in ky. and by no means am neither a kentucky or louisville fan . i grew up only 25mi. from champaign,il. and bleed FIGHTING ILLINI orange and blue.. since moving here from ill. i have noticed the rivalry/ hatred between UK and UL loyalist . the problem with the both of them is that both universities strive to be the best in the state and will DO ANYTHING to achieve an edge over the other.. if that means hiring a coach ( pitino) who has the same credentials as a kelvin sampson does than so be it ..now UK goes out and hires a coach who has left not one but two programs in a position to be put on probation...the main problem here with both universities is that they care more about winning games than they do in the education of the student athletes ..sure another ncaa banner would look good at rupp arena (for uk fans) but at what cost... it wasn't that long ago when an assistant coach at IOWA accused the fighting illini of giving a recruit named deon thomas a chevy blazer, money and other perks just because he chose ill. over iowa while being recruited ..nothing, and i mean absolutely nothing was ever proven by the ncaa yet they put us on probation for LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL ...that coach is now at tennessee in the SEC where the word probation is second hand ...you have to realize that when you recruit the very best players you are going to find that many of them have shot more baskets than they have picked up a pencil to write with...the pressure to win in this state is so intense that the fans just don't care how the coaches, boosters etc. do it ...just win baby at all cost !!! so now this state has arguably two of the best coaches in college basketball who will do ANYTHING to win even if that means recruiting questionable athletes.. when illinois went to the final four a few years back (crushing louisville along the way) they didn;t have a team of 5 star athletes or even a one and done player....what they had was a group of athletes with a lot of heart and the desire to win .... it is the responsibility of the coaches and universities to know exactly who they are recruiting and what type of student/athlete they are going to get in return.. i grew up hating INDIANA and bob knight but that man did things the right way and still won some titles .. it would be nice if coach calipari or pitino could win the ncaa title the RIGHT WAY but here in ky. it doesn't matter how it gets done just as long as it gets done !!!!!!!!!!

TWT AFTER reading all of your readers comments on the j. calipari / d.rose issue i felt compelled to post a comment myself. i currently live in ky. and by no means am neither a kentucky or louisville fan . i grew up only 25mi. from champaign,il. and bleed FIGHTING ILLINI orange and blue.. since moving here from ill. i have noticed the rivalry/ hatred between UK and UL loyalist . the problem with the both of them is that both universities strive to be the best in the state and will DO ANYTHING to achieve an edge over the other.. if that means hiring a coach ( pitino) who has the same credentials as a kelvin sampson does than so be it ..now UK goes out and hires a coach who has left not one but two programs in a position to be put on probation...the main problem here with both universities is that they care more about winning games than they do in the education of the student athletes ..sure another ncaa banner would look good at rupp arena (for uk fans) but at what cost... it wasn't that long ago when an assistant coach at IOWA accused the fighting illini of giving a recruit named deon thomas a chevy blazer, money and other perks just because he chose ill. over iowa while being recruited ..nothing, and i mean absolutely nothing was ever proven by the ncaa yet they put us on probation for LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL ...that coach is now at tennessee in the SEC where the word probation is second hand ...you have to realize that when you recruit the very best players you are going to find that many of them have shot more baskets than they have picked up a pencil to write with...the pressure to win in this state is so intense that the fans just don't care how the coaches, boosters etc. do it ...just win baby at all cost !!! so now this state has arguably two of the best coaches in college basketball who will do ANYTHING to win even if that means recruiting questionable athletes.. when illinois went to the final four a few years back (crushing louisville along the way) they didn;t have a team of 5 star athletes or even a one and done player....what they had was a group of athletes with a lot of heart and the desire to win .... it is the responsibility of the coaches and universities to know exactly who they are recruiting and what type of student/athlete they are going to get in return.. i grew up hating INDIANA and bob knight but that man did things the right way and still won some titles .. it would be nice if coach calipari or pitino could win the ncaa title the RIGHT WAY but here in ky. it doesn't matter how it gets done just as long as it gets done !!!!!!!!!!

Trent T, you admit to moving to Kentucky from Illinois but somehow in a short amount have amassed a wealth of knowledge about the people of Kentucky, the psyche of both John Calipari and Rick Pitino. Incredibly, in the time since you were forcibly transplanted you have developed psychic talents. Only someone capable of reading minds could possibly know the things you purport to know. I believe someone values their opinion far more than they should.