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Late yesterday, reports broke that, after Rivals.com No. 1 2009 high school recruit John Wall's game in Missouri, Kansas coach Bill Self went up to Wall, said hello, and gave the following quote:

Self: "Johnny, great win man. You really played well."

Wall: "Thanks."

Self: "I'm not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win."

Well then. That was from Springfield News-Leader reporter Allen Vaughn, someone who would seem to have little reason to lie about an innocuous -- albeit potentially damaging -- exchange between a recruit and a coach. Still, reading the story late last night, it was easy to expect a sudden denial from Self, forcing some sort of he-said, he-said situation between him and an unknown reporter.

Not so much. As it turns out, Self isn't denying it. He admits he said hello, but doesn't think that qualifies as a recruiting violation. From the Associated Press:

“Basically, it’s accurate,” Self said after beating Texas A&M 73-53 Monday night. “I don’t know if the exact quote is accurate. After the game was over, like I always do, like every coach always does, I had to catch a plane. So I went back to tell the coaches, `Congratulations, good win.’ I was approached and shook a hand and said, `I can’t talk to you, but you played really well.”’

Slightly differing versions there, but only by a degree. The question now is whether talking to a recruit -- even if all you say is "I can't talk to you, go away, but you played well," -- qualifies as saying more than "hello." The NCAA clarification on the matter (HT: Deadspin) says ""A contact occurs any time a coach has any face-to-face contact with you or your parents off the college's campus and says more than hello. A contact also occurs if a coach has any contact with you or your parents at your high school or any location where you are competing or practicing."

Does this qualify? It will likely be up to an NCAA committee to decide. In either case, it's a major, serious mistake by Self, one we can't imagine a coach as smart and as seasoned as him could make. Brazen? Accidental? Stupid? It might be all three.

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  1. squirrelyearl
    1. Posted by squirrelyearl Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:37 pm EDT

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    Doesn't seem like it should be that big of a deal really. I understand the logic, but come on.
  2. The Thrilla in Vanilla
    2. Posted by The Thrilla in Vanilla Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:01 pm EDT

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    This is a rules violation, clear as day.
    It is also a very stupid rule.
  3. Jeremy H
    3. Posted by Jeremy H Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:33 pm EDT

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    He basically said....." I know if I piss on this electric fence, it's gonna hurt but here goes anyway......you know it's a violation".....that being said it's a little ridiculous.
  4. Trav
    4. Posted by Trav Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:51 pm EDT

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    if I dood it I get a whoopin', I DOOD IT!!!!
  5. Trav
    5. Posted by Trav Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:51 pm EDT

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    if I dood it I get a whoopin', I DOOD IT!!!!!
  6. john y
    6. Posted by john y Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:51 pm EDT

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    If accurate, no big deal. Not like he sent 100,000 text messages or anything.
  7. dbd
    7. Posted by dbd Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:51 pm EDT

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    Thrilla is absolutely right. The rule is absolutely stupid. But Self is even stupider for violating it. Guilty.
  8. Aaron
    8. Posted by Aaron Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:47 pm EDT

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    Cheating is cheating no matter how small.
  9. Capital Punishment
    9. Posted by Capital Punishment Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:54 pm EDT

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    I think that can be interpreted as just a hello.
  10. Howard
    10. Posted by Howard Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:21 pm EDT

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    Read between the lines, that exchange gives KU an advantage. Bill Self basically said hey we got our eye on you kid. Most kids are naive but if a successful college coach says he notices you and congrats you that could play a role in his decision later on. The rule sounds stupid but it is definitely understandable. Coaches should not talk to possible recruits until allowed. Again all subject to interpretation but it is best not to leave it to that.

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